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[TK514]

It's a cool headcanon but I don't think the OGB would stand a real chance of getting the throne. Remember the ruler of Ferelden is decided by the landsmeet, and they probably short of a civil war/alistair died without having picked an heir first and there's a bunch of horrible **** going on that requires an immediate ruler instead of the landsmeet basically throwing candidates in from various parts of fereldens political spectrum, will not want to just suddenly put some kid none of them know about on the throne. A kid who was raised in the court of Orlais, a place so many of them hate. A kid with no real political power of his own and who is a bastard (Alistair at least had the massive support of one of the most powerful nobles in the land, is going against someone the nobles have a bias against for being too common, and even he still has huge trouble taking the throne). A kid who lets be honest is probably a mage which would immediately legally make him unable to inherit a title in Ferelden. It'd be a great fanfic but I kind of doubt it's feasibility in the story.

 

 

Pretty much this.  The Landsmeet will just elect one of their own.  Therin blood is not the automatic in people try to pass it off as.  The only reason Cailan Therin became King is because Bryce Cousland chose to support him rather than be nominated himself.  Fergus Cousland, or his heir, is the current most likely candidate for Monarch of Ferelden once Alistair/Anora pass on.

[Aren]

WHY!!! i hate king Calenhad and his dynasty, full of fools and stupid kids like Alistair bleahhhh,

Cailan, puah... Maric bleahhhh (without loghain he is nothing), but it doesn't matter as Loghain said :" I can't imagine anything more ludicrous"  this OGB can stay into the void.

WHy you support alistar? IS because of Arl Eamon? the stupid old , fat and traditional man? My father is a better king for Ferelden,  Bryce Cousland.

[Aldrick]

 

WHY!!! i hate king Calenhad and his dynasty, full of fools and stupid kids like Alistair bleahhhh,

Cailan, puah... Maric bleahhhh (without loghain he is nothing), but it doesn't matter as Loghain said :" I can't imagine anything more ludicrous"  this OGB can stay into the void.

WHy you support alistar? IS because of Arl Eamon? the stupid old , fat and traditional man? My father is a better king for Ferelden,  Bryce Cousland.

 

 

My Warden supported Alistair for selfish reasons.  He is both an elf and a mage, and thus his hands on the levers of power are limited.  However, he has a personal connection with Alistair, now the King, who personally trusts him as both a friend, ally, and adviser.  If you cannot sit on the throne, it is better to be the power behind the throne.  That was always the plan of the Warden--to put Alistair on the throne, and through him push his anti-chantry, anti-templar, pro-mage, pro-elf agenda.  It is because of the Wardens actions that Ferelden became a safe haven for mages as Kirkwall began its crackdown.  The Circle there is also independent, thanks to the Warden. 

 

However, the Warden did not know of the cost of slaying the Archdemon.  When he learned that there was a way out, he decided to take it.  However, doing the ritual himself would gain him nothing.  Having Alistair do the ritual, however, ensures that there is an heir to the throne AND that Morrigan (who shares most of his values) will raise it.  In the end, after achieving much of what he wanted in Ferelden, and Alistair's reign was secured, he left to find Morrigan.  When he found her he went through the Eluvian with her, to begin planning for the future, and helping her raise and shape the future heir to the throne.  Even without the royal parentage, however, the child still has the soul of an Old God.  That in and of itself is worthy of the Wardens full attention.

[Augustei]

I am just curious.  In my canon extremely pro-mage play through, in Origins I played a Machiavellian Elven Mage.  He had a huge chip on his shoulder as it related to Humans, the Chantry, and the Templars and took every opportunity to screw them over.  This is how Leliana and Wynne died in the Temple of Sacred Ashes, as well as Brother Genitivi.  

 

The Elf Mage Warden romanced Morrigan, but kept a close friendship with Alistair after finding out that he was Merric's bastard child.  He realized that he could potentially put Alistair on the throne, because after all--there was only one way that war was going to end.

 

Fast forward to the Landsmeet.  Alistair chops off the head of Loghain, getting his vengeance, and a hardened Alistair sends Anora off to the Tower.  A hardened Alistair rules alone, obviously with his "good" Elf-Warden there to "advise" him.

 

Fast forward to learning about how the  Archdemon is defeated and the Dark Ritual.  The Warden is obviously pissed, but sees an opportunity.  He tells Morrigan to do the Dark Ritual with Alistair.

 

Unfortunately, I do not think Bioware really considered this option as a possibility, since the dialog choices should have been more unique to the situation.  After all, the Warden is actively dating and supposedly in love with Morrigan, and she is all like, "I love you and want to save your life!"  Then the Warden is all like, "Yeah, I got a better idea.  I want you to sleep with the guy you hate who also happens to be my friend in the other room, is that cool?" 

 

So, anyway, I have to head cannon the dialog--otherwise it is pretty standard with only basic acknowledgement that the Warden is in a relationship with Morrigan.  The reasons are offered as follows:  The Warden manipulates Morrigan into agreement--she wants something, and he basically tells her no but gives her an alternative in Alistair.  The Warden tells Alistair to do the ritual for the good of Ferelden.  After all, he is king now.  The people are depending on him.  The Warden tries to put it in the context of a "last resort" option, should both Riordan and himself fall before they can defeat the Archdeamon--leaving only Alistair left to slay it.

 

True motivations:  The Warden has made Alistair king and he has no heirs.  He has a close and intimate relationship with Morrigan.  She may try to run, but he will find her with the ring she gave him.  With potentially the only heir to the throne of Ferelden, he and Morrigan can shape the child into their anti-chantry, pro-mage image.  ...and of course, the child would be an Old God to boot.

 

So everything plays out as one might expect.  Morrigan gets pregnant with Alistair's child, and runs off.  After the events in Awakening, my Elven Mage Warden hunts down Morrigan through the Witch Hunt DLC, and they walk through the Eluvian together to raise Alistair's child.  The Warden set the stage with what would take place in Kirkwall in Dragon Age 2 during Awakening, and pro-mage Hawke and Anders romance and run off together in the end.

 

What happened after walking through the Eluvian is unknown.  However, the Inquisitor will be a Dalish Mage, who believes in radical reform among his people--and reclaiming lost glory, power, and magic.  He will romance Dorian, and will of course, also be pro-Elf, anti-Chantry, and pro-Mage.  After Dorian his closest ally will be Iron Bull and likely Verric.  Ha.  A Dalish Mage, a Dwarf, a Tevinter Magister, and a Qunari team up together to save the world--what could possibly go wrong?  I think the Great Divine just hurled herself from the highest tower in Orlais at the heresy of it all.

 

So, did anyone else take this path?  Did anyone romance Morrigan, and encourage her to have Alistair's baby?  If so, what do you think will be the consequences of this decision in Inquisition?

So let me get this straight
Your alleged Machiavellian Dalish Warden could have not hardened Alistair and became his chancellor effectively running the country as you see fit. But instead decides he wants to go about it by trying to press an unknown bastards claim in 20 years time who could likely also be a mage anyway.
I'm not getting A Machiavellian vibe from your warden at all...

[Aldrick]

So let me get this straight
Your alleged Machiavellian Dalish Warden could have not hardened Alistair and became his chancellor effectively running the country as you see fit. But instead decides he wants to go about it by trying to press an unknown bastards claim in 20 years time who could likely also be a mage anyway.
I'm not getting A Machiavellian vibe from your warden at all...

 

My Warden is not a Dalish.  He is a city elf Mage, and the Warden's ambitions are long term goals and ambitions.  This is one of the reasons he encouraged Avernus to continue with his unethical research.  As they are both blood mages, he intends to learn Avernus' secrets to prolong the Calling as well as his life.  If Avernus can pull out a good 300 years or so after becoming a Warden, the Warden figures he can at least do the same, even if Avernus learns nothing more.  The Warden had already accomplished the bulk of what he wanted in Ferelden--the Circle was free, the Templars were weakened, the Elves lot in life had been bettered... So long as people have faith, he cannot crush the Chantry, and so long as the Chantry stood he could not crush the Templars.  Until the Elves were prepared to rise up united and claim their rightful place as equals, then their status would largely remain the same.

 

So, remaining in Ferelden would have accomplished what?  Micromanaging the day-to-day affairs of the state?  Alistair is more than capable of that when he is hardened.  Alistair also shares the pro-elf, anti-templar, and pro-mage goals. 

 

What honestly is left for the Warden to accomplish in a reasonable time frame?  Really, nothing.  Once the events in Awakening are settled, that leaves us with the final event in Witch Hunt.  The Warden goes through the Eluvian to be with the Old God Baby and his lover Morrigan.  Once there he can connect in on Morrigan's plot and what she is planning to do with the OGB, and by default the Warden will likely have to "be convinced" of Morrigan's plan.  Thus, if Morrigan has no interest in seeing the kid go after the Ferelden Throne, and instead wants to try and raise the kid to become a New God to challenge the Chantry... well... my Warden would support that instead.  Really, the only difficult thing I think my Warden would have trouble supporting is Morrigan trying to body-snatch the kid, not because he views it as wrong of her to do it, but because the kid is more valuable intact. 

 

However, I imagine that this is pretty much the default for every Warden who went through the Eluvian with Morrigan--they are helping her with her plans.

[Uccio]

 

Uhhhh.......I NEED AN ADUUUUULT.  

 

 

[LOLandStuff]

So let me get this straight
Your alleged Machiavellian Dalish Warden could have not hardened Alistair and became his chancellor effectively running the country as you see fit. But instead decides he wants to go about it by trying to press an unknown bastards claim in 20 years time who could likely also be a mage anyway.
I'm not getting A Machiavellian vibe from your warden at all...

 

It sure makes him sound interesting.

But what's the point if in 10 years he's gonna die anyway. And it's not like he's gonna pull the strings.

I mean really, does Morrigan strike you as the type who'd let him get that far involved with her kid especially since he's not his father?

[Aldrick]

It sure makes him sound interesting.

But what's the point if in 10 years he's gonna die anyway. And it's not like he's gonna pull the strings.

I mean really, does Morrigan strike you as the type who'd let him get that far involved with her kid especially since he's not his father?

 

Like I said previously, that was the entire reason for sparing Avernus, was it not?  Avernus was able to extend his life for something like 300 years, and was learning how to master the taint.  If you are a mage (as my Warden is), and you are allies with Avernus (as my Warden is)--then there is every reason to believe that he could live for at least as long as Avernus.  So in the grand scheme of things, 10 or 20 years is nothing.  Alistair, on the other hand, is going to be going out the door sooner rather than later due to the Calling.  (Unless Avernus' research / magic can work on him as well, but even if it could... would Alistair use it?)  It makes sense to have the kid as a backup plan once the Warden has effectively put everything into motion that he wants to achieve and Alistair's reign is secured.  What really is left for the Warden to do with Alistair after that point--if the Warden's goal is really to see mages liberated from the Chantry, the Chantry (at least in its current incarnation) completely destroyed, the Templars massacred, and the Elves developing (at a minimum) equal rights to humans (or alternatively conquering and gaining land of their own).

 

The OGB could be the golden ticket... or it might be a dud.  In either case, it does not really matter, because it is not like Morrigan is holding the Warden hostage.  Stepping through the Eluvian to learn about her plans and see the kid makes sense.  Canonically, my Warden is forced to do whatever the Warden is up to in Inquisition, but there is no reason to believe that he and Morrigan are NOT on good terms and are on the same page.  Thus, I am making the assumption that my Warden was convinced by Morrigan to go along with whatever plan she is hatching with the OGB. 

 

Of course, this becomes difficult to justify if Morrigan is all like, "Oh, I just wanted a baby of my own.  I always wanted to be a mother!"  (Ha.  No.)  It also becomes hard to justify if she is all like, "Yeah, I just need the kid so I can do a body snatch like my mother is alleged to do."  However, pretty much anything outside of those two things I am pretty sure my Warden would be game for--since it is likely to lead to pro-mage, anti-chantry, and anti-templar outcomes. 

 

It is unfortunate that we still do not have control over the Warden, otherwise if Morrigan's plans differed radically from his own he would probably kill her and take the kid for himself, since at this point her use is more limited if they are working at cross purposes.

 

Anyway, the whole issue of the Calling is not really an issue for a mage Warden who let Avernus live and allowed him to continue his research unethically.  There is no reason my Warden would not believe that he has a good 300+ years ahead of him.

[KC_Prototype]

Without reading much of the OP, why the hell would I want my buddy to enter my woman and impregnate her???!!!! That's a direct violation of Guy Code!!!!