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[LeBurns]

With the removal of Healing spells it also removed that 'required' feeling you had with needing a Mage healer in every group.  I am wondering now though if they did the same with Rogues?

 

Are there locked to be unlocked that require rogue skills?  Traps to be disarmed?  Etc.  Sure it's nice to have a rogue anyway due to adding a different set of combat skills to the party, just like it may still be nice to have a mage, but is the 'required' element gone now?  I haven't seen anything yet mentioning this in the vids and stuff I've seen.  Do we know anything yet and what do you think will be the case?

 

Thanks.

[AresKeith]

Yes, locks and probably traps still require rogue skills

[Fenris4life]

While Rogues aren't needed (unless you want to unlock stuff), their DPS output is going to be insane. DA Fan posted a video showing all the skill trees for every class minus specializations and the dual wield and archer Rogue have insane damage output and I can only expect they'll outshine the 2H warrior in DPS.

Also, to say Mages are not needed due to no Healing Spells is a little iffy. Those barrier spells seem like they'll be very detrimental to winning tougher fights.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Hold on... keep talking while i pick this lock.

[Duelist]

Hold on... keep talking while i pick this lock.

And once you've finished with that, go one shot that boss over there?

[LeBurns]

While Rogues aren't needed (unless you want to unlock stuff), their DPS output is going to be insane. DA Fan posted a video showing all the skill trees for every class minus specializations and the dual wield and archer Rogue have insane damage output and I can only expect they'll outshine the 2H warrior in DPS.

Also, to say Mages are not needed due to no Healing Spells is a little iffy. Those barrier spells seem like they'll be very detrimental to winning tougher fights.

 

True.  The Barrier Spells seem as essential as healing at this point.  Which would beg the question, why just swap healing for barrier if healing was working?

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

pfft do i have to do EVERYTHING?

[Lady Artifice]

Yes.

...especially artificers.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Yes.

Rzza frazzin mage razza frazzen cant even be bothered to heal. frazzen. 

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

30 000 damage assassinate says hello

[fizzypop]

god I hope not. I really hate having to be forced to bring a rogue for loot.

[AresKeith]

True.  The Barrier Spells seem as essential as healing at this point.  Which would beg the question, why just swap healing for barrier if healing was working?

 

Barrier isn't essential since it's possible to play without a mage

[SerCambria358]

While Rogues aren't needed (unless you want to unlock stuff), their DPS output is going to be insane. DA Fan posted a video showing all the skill trees for every class minus specializations and the dual wield and archer Rogue have insane damage output and I can only expect they'll outshine the 2H warrior in DPS.

Also, to say Mages are not needed due to no Healing Spells is a little iffy. Those barrier spells seem like they'll be very detrimental to winning tougher fights.

Did you mean everyone except 2H warriors?

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Rogues in Dragon Age Inquisition

• Have the highest DPS of any other class in game and the highest burst damage of any class in the game.
• Can unlock locks and traps which other class cannot do.
• Come with their own grenades, traps and poison. Other characters have to craft and equip them. 
• Can drop their aggro instantly and remove all debuffs on themselves via Stealth. Mages can do both simultaneously but not using a single ability, they need Dispel & Mind Blast and Mind Blast is not as Stealth.
• Have different types of AOE, DOT & CC damage types such as traps, grenades, poison and flasks. Only mages rival and can surpass them in terms of flexibility. 
• Can use Stealth to do multiple things such as Revive and ally safely or close a Veil Tear safely. Other classes can use Guard and Barrier for this but they will still pull aggro. 
• Have no actual stake in the Mage-Templar War. They cannot be a Mage or a Templar which gives them the perfect outsider and detached status and perspective.
• They can throw knives at a target which is awesomely cool. No other class can just throw their weapons around and do damage. 

So, rogues are very much needed and I would argue, one of the most versatile, most damaging yet most challenging class to play. They have brought back flank which is DAO's equivalent to backstab and archers need to be at elevation or at distance to get the most out of their skill sets. 

 

#roguemasterclass

[Lulupab]

All classes are needed to gain access to certain areas and items, all classes have adventure skills. 

 

In matters of usefulness according to what I have seen so far:

 

Area of effect damage: Mages > Warriors > Rogues

Single target damage: Rogues > Mages > Warriors

Endurance: Warriors > Rogues > Mages

 

Barrier isn't essential since it's possible to play without a mage

 

Not on higher difficulties, almost anyone who made an impression video about the game said that you MUST have one mage on higher difficulty. For staters AoE damage of other classes is very minimal.

[fizzypop]

Yeah I'm not bringing a rogue out of spite. I seriously hate how every game tries to make them gods. ****** rogues.

[themugen]

Hold on... keep talking while i pick this lock.

When you're done could you help me with my car door lock?  My keys seem to be in the ignition!

[Sifr]

True.  The Barrier Spells seem as essential as healing at this point.  Which would beg the question, why just swap healing for barrier if healing was working?

 

Because as some have pointed out and MMO players are very much aware, healing should never be relied on too much, least it become a crutch. More defence and better survivability for the entire party is always going to be better than simply relying on your mage to heal-spam.

 

Mages using barriers are going to make the entire party more tankier, including the mage themselves. A party that relies on a squishy heal-bot, will all die incredibly fast once that mage is taken out of the fight.

[Lady Artifice]

Rogues ARE gods.

Bow down.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

When you're done could you help me with my car door lock?  My keys seem to be in the ignition!

well as an actual locksmith in real life thats a £30.00 call out fee. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Once you have weapons with barrier generating or guard generating enchantments or runes on them, Barrier will no longer be necessary. 

 

Also Fade Step, Fade Cloak, Wall of Ice to mitigate damage and block projectiles.

 

Warriors have their guard.

 

Rogues have stealth, fallback plan, backward flips. 

[themugen]

well as an actual locksmith in real life thats a £30.00 call out fee. 

aw.    i'll take the bus! 

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

and i gave you a discount.

 

i always go rogue.

[Lulupab]

I always had a hard time choosing any dialogue other than the sarcastic one when playing rogues. It just fits them lmao, way too much.

[themugen]

and i gave you a discount.

 

i always go rogue.

It's the £30.00.  You'd probably want airfare, too.