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Telltale's Game of Thrones (Episode Five - A Nest of Vipers)


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I don't understand how this perception exists in the first place. Out of the roughly two dozen characters that have gotten multiple POV chapters, GRRM's killed all of two and a half. Not exactly a high death rate.

 

In this game, I don't expect any more than one of our playable characters to die. Two, tops.

the death rate for other important characters is somewhat high compared to other series though


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I don't understand how this perception exists in the first place. Out of the roughly two dozen characters that have gotten multiple POV chapters, GRRM's killed all of two and a half. Not exactly a high death rate.

 

In this game, I don't expect any more than one of our playable characters to die. Two, tops.

 

Combine GRRM with Telltales though :P



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Let us be realistic here, chances are Gared becomes a Ranger no matter what next episode. Notice how the image for episode 4 is an Other.

Since they are nowhere near Castle Black at this point, the only way to see one is to go Beyond the Wall and for that, he has to be a ranger.

I wonder how they'll justify making him one if you failed miserably at practice in episode 2. Political pressure? Frostfingers owes uncle Duncan one?



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Spoiler

 

That theory doesn't work; or rather, the plot wouldn't help at all. This is because:

 

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I don't understand how this perception exists in the first place. Out of the roughly two dozen characters that have gotten multiple POV chapters, GRRM's killed all of two and a half. Not exactly a high death rate.

 

In this game, I don't expect any more than one of our playable characters to die. Two, tops.

 

It's all Eddard. Like Ethan, he took what would outwardly seem to be a protagonist by trope and killed him off because he was really extranous to the plot. Most books/games would just have that happen off-screen. GRRM's one trick is to give you the POV of someone he's going to kill off, becuase he knows the plot and you don't and so he can play with your expectations. It's clever, but it's pretty much a one-trick-pony. 



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I kind of have a feeling they might subvert the expectation that the hero always dies in GoT, by having Rodrik go the distance. At this point I think that would actually more unpredictable than having him die. 

 

Indeed. It is almost a norm at this point to expect something bad for the eventual characters with 'virtuous' beliefs. Though better yet, if it would depend on what choices we make on our journey that solidifies the outcome, that would be more appreciated. 



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Indeed. It is almost a norm at this point to expect something bad for the eventual characters with 'virtuous' beliefs. Though better yet, if it would depend on what choices we make on our journey that solidifies the outcome, that would be more appreciated. 

 

It's not just the heroic characters that have horrific ends either...but also weddings as well. Weddings in ASoIaF/GoT tend to end with people being murdered. It will be interesting to see if Telltale rolls with that or if Rodrik ends up defying what fans have been conditioned to expect.


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It's not just the heroic characters that have horrific ends either...but also weddings as well. Weddings in ASoIaF/GoT tend to end with people being murdered. It will be interesting to see if Telltale rolls with that or if Rodrik ends up defying what fans have been conditioned to expect.

it'd be really nice if we could turn the tables on the Whitehills at the wedding



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it'd be really nice if we could turn the tables on the Whitehills at the wedding

 

One of the douche families needs to have karma at some point in this crazy world they live in :P



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So, from Episode One and Two, has anyone else gotten the feeling that apparently Lady Forrester went to the "Catelyn Stark Finishing School for Well-Meaning Matriarchs Who Unintentionally Undermine Their Children By Making Incredibly Bad Decisions Without Asking Them"...?

 

Asking Mira to ask Margaery for help so soon after she alienated Joffrey the last time (given Ethan hasn't had a funeral yet, presumably not that long ago), is incredibly reckless considering that she's risking alienating her daughter's patron and sole means of protection in King's Landing? As well as writing to Lord Whitehill to ask for Ryon's attendance at the funeral, without informing Rodrik of her plans and thus catching him offguard when Whitehill shows up? Not to mention how she was prepared last episode to send Malcolm after Asher and planned to lift his exile without talking to Ethan first about it?

 

It's not to say that her (or Catelyn's) heart isn't in the right place and it's natural for a mother to want to want to look out for her children's best interests, but still... at some point, one of her children needs to call her out and ask her to stop "helping", since so far, it keeps making things slightly worse and/or putting them into situations where they end up in mortal danger?

 

:lol:



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Not surprising considering many the Forresters are meant to be a reflection of the Starks.



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Yeah, I'm not going to lie.  The Forresters are little too StarksV2.0 for my liking.  Let's see:

Father - gets betrayed and killed early on

Mother - "strong" matriarch; perennial poor decision maker; shops at same store as Catelyn

Eldest Son - takes up mantle as Lord of the House; becoming the center of a rallying cry against a Lannister-aligned House

Eldest Daughter - stationed in King's Landing; becomes involved in "The Game" (granted, she's more capable than Sansa)

Younger Daughter - more spunky and outspoken than expected (granted, she's not the tomboy warrior type that Arya is)

Youngest Son - curly blond-haired plot device

Other "Not a Son" - sent to take the Black at the Wall

 

Granted, they aren't carbon copies of the Starks, but considering how many other ways they could have written the characters, they are pretty damned close to them.  I mean, they are even a noble house from the North, of all regions.  The only ones that aren't really Stark clones are Asher and Ethan (and we all saw how that turned out for Ethan). 

 

That being said, I'm hooked and eagerly looking forward to the next episode.  I'd like to see how they mix things up a bit. 



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Y'know, I'd not be surprised if Lord Forrester was the one who had the major problem with Asher and Gwyn hooking up, more than Lord Whitehill?

 

While Whitehill's a complete lout, he's not dumb enough I don't think to realise that if his daughter married the secondborn son of his bitter rival, his family would have some claim to the Ironwood that they so desperately covet?

 

If Asher had produced a kid with Gwyn, then some "accident" befallen Lord Forrester, Rodrik and Asher, then this would have left the kid as the legitimate heir to Ironrath. And who doesn't think that Lord Whitehill would then attempt to muscle in and declare himself "Lord Protector" under the excuse of looking out for his grandson?

 

Given how dangerous Westeros politics are and how much backstabbing (both real and metaphorical) happens, that really isn't all that farfetched for Lord Forrester to have perhaps been paranoid about such a scenario happening and why he would not have wanted their houses to join?


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Capulets and Montagues 



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Y'know, I'd not be surprised if Lord Forrester was the one who had the major problem with Asher and Gwyn hooking up, more than Lord Whitehill?

 

While Whitehill's a complete lout, he's not dumb enough I don't think to realise that if his daughter married the secondborn son of his bitter rival, his family would have some claim to the Ironwood that they so desperately covet?

 

If Asher had produced a kid with Gwyn, then some "accident" befallen Lord Forrester, Rodrik and Asher, then this would have left the kid as the legitimate heir to Ironrath. And who doesn't think that Lord Whitehill would then attempt to muscle in and declare himself "Lord Protector" under the excuse of looking out for his grandson?

 

Given how dangerous Westeros politics are and how much backstabbing (both real and metaphorical) happens, that really isn't all that farfetched for Lord Forrester to have perhaps been paranoid about such a scenario happening and why he would not have wanted their houses to join?

Yeah.  From the looks of things, Asher and his father didn't really seem to get along while Rodrick obviously is alot like his father.



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I'm wondering if Gared will be present in Battle of castle Black/ Wall, unless if they send him on the mission that takes place elsewhere, considering we have a Walker on one of the pictures for the episode 4.



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Well we're still between the Red and Purple Wedding in the timeline, so it could be a while until the Battle of Castle Black?



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Have the devs stated when the game will end on the ASoIaF/GoT timeline?



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Have the devs stated when the game will end on the ASoIaF/GoT timeline?

around the same time as the end of Season 4


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around the same time as the end of Season 4

Well, that means it is possible Gared will be at the battle.

Still, it may not happen. For one, I imagine they can't make one episode nothing but Gared and then, by episode 4 or 5, which is when the battle should happen at earliest, you'd think Gared would already be participating in whatever will happen between the Forresters and the Whitehills and thus, wouldn't be present for the battle.



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Ah man, I just realised that Mira's going to be horribly screwed when Tyrion's accused of murdering Joffrey.

 

Not only does she lose Tyrion as one of her best avenues to try and help her family, since Margaery being not as helpful because she's trying to maintain good PR and stay in the Lannister's good graces, but because Cersei's the kind of person who'd remember Tyrion sticking up for her in Episode One and probably arrange things so that the crown allows the Whitehills to take the Ironwood out from underneath the Forresters... because doing things out of spite is what Cersei does?



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Yeah, poor Mira is about to lose her only powerful backer.

I guess representing him in a trial by combat is out of the question.

 

Does anyone know if uncle Malcolm will inform Asher of Ethan's death if we choose not to send him to Essos?
 

Also, I'm guessing that Gared will volunteer to hunt the deserters and that is how we will meet a White Walker.



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Also, I'm guessing that Gared will volunteer to hunt the deserters and that is how we will meet a White Walker.

Hunt the deserters? Was that really a thing in the show? Because sending out men beyond the wall on a tactically unimportant mission when a full-scale attack by a wildling horde is imminent seems unbelievably moronic.



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Hunt the deserters? Was that really a thing in the show? Because sending out men beyond the wall on a tactically unimportant mission when a full-scale attack by a wildling horde is imminent seems unbelievably moronic.

Yes, they justified it by saying that they needed to prevent the deserters from falling into Mance's hands and informing him of the real numbers present at Castle Black.



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I am terribly suspicious of the kid in King's Landing.He is obviously a spy, I suspect he is Varys' spy, to be specific.

 

I was in the 4% who let him "die".At the time I did not realise how horrible it is to let a child die, I was too focused on my political gameplan and all I was thinking about was how I want Mira to stay away from that kid and that assassin guy.Now I feel horrible for letting that kid die, but I still think it's a better choice for Mira.

 

I don't want Varys getting her in a position where she needs his help in order to survive, so he could force her to do his dirtywork.