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[Medhia_Nox]

@Ynqve:  Cole mimics those things - if a computer is programmed to "seem" like it has emotions - it doesn't actually have emotions.  Anthropmorphizing non-human entities - be they artificial intelligences or spirits - does not actually make them human.  It would be the same thing as when we humanize our pets.

 

Let me discuss pets:  I have two cats, they are my world.  I love them and would probably hurt humans to protect them.  That's not in question.  However - cats perceive the world totally different than a human being.  They cannot ever be a human - even if they suddenly found themselves capable of speech and reason.  Their sensory experience of the world is totally different. 

 

Cole's very nature is anathema to the rest of Thedas.  You can see this by his burning of turnips.  I truly hope he argues - and correctly - that there is no reason for someone like him NOT to burn turnips.  Especially for a being that has no use for turnips.  A human might say:  "You're wasting food."  But Cole doesn't eat - so any reverence for food products would be incompatible with how Cole views the world.  And so it would be for so MANY things... including what he did in Asunder.

 

What Cole is - is dangerously curious - but seemingly (haven't played) incapable of putting his actions into context.  It makes sense of course - as an "adult" of... let's say even 19 years of age.  He does not have the previous 19 years of education to learn the context of anything.  

 

Getting him to mimic me will not dissuade me from considering Cole a very dangerous "it".  

[Dust]

[Blackstork]

@Ynqve:  Cole mimics those things - if a computer is programmed to "seem" like it has emotions - it doesn't actually have emotions.  Anthropmorphizing non-human entities - be they artificial intelligences or spirits - does not actually make them human.  It would be the same thing as when we humanize our pets.

 

Let me discuss pets:  I have two cats, they are my world.  I love them and would probably hurt humans to protect them.  That's not in question.  However - cats perceive the world totally different than a human being.  They cannot ever be a human - even if they suddenly found themselves capable of speech and reason.  Their sensory experience of the world is totally different. 

 

Cole's very nature is anathema to the rest of Thedas.  You can see this by his burning of turnips.  I truly hope he argues - and correctly - that there is no reason for someone like him NOT to burn turnips.  Especially for a being that has no use for turnips.  A human might say:  "You're wasting food."  But Cole doesn't eat - so any reverence for food products would be incompatible with how Cole views the world.  And so it would be for so MANY things... including what he did in Asunder.

 

What Cole is - is dangerously curious - but seemingly (haven't played) incapable of putting his actions into context.  It makes sense of course - as an "adult" of... let's say even 19 years of age.  He does not have the previous 19 years of education to learn the context of anything.  

 

Getting him to mimic me will not dissuade me from considering Cole a very dangerous "it".  

Those are your very biased prejudice subjective oppinion. Noone forcing you to think differently, but arguing that they such way is right way of perception is  unmature, at very least.

You can not set, define him as you doing it, because you did not know how he is in DA:I, you judging him by your simplistic Asunder understanding plus just according to things that you heard from "somewhere on this forum". And there is known info that he could be revealed as spirit that linked to same power which makes Quizzie Herald of Andraste and entity called Andraste.

If you are correct Andraste is same "cat-brained" spirit .

If you choose such prism - its your right to do so, but you do not have right to enforce people who percieve wider picture than you do to percieve his personality in same way as you do.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Blackstork:  If I speak, it's because I've made up my mind about something - and therefore I believe I am correct.  

 

The declarative manner in which I speak in no way means you should believe what I say - as I am fallible and may be wrong.

 

Even if I were inclined to force you - I have no means of doing so except perhaps on the highly impressionable.

 

If you want to anthropomorphise Cole - you are entitled to do so, but it makes you know more correct than me simply because you like the character.

 

 The declarations you are making work both ways my friend.

[Gago]

I hated Cole since I started to read Asunder. Maybe I will change my view in the game. Or should I say he will change my view towards him.

[Blackstork]

@Blackstork:  If I speak, it's because I've made up my mind about something - and therefore I believe I am correct.  

 

The declarative manner in which I speak in know way means you should believe what I say - as I am fallible and may be wrong.

 

Even if I were inclined to force you - I have no means of doing so except perhaps on the highly impressionable.

 

If you want to anthropomorphise Cole - you are entitled to do so, but it makes you know more correct than me simply because you like the character.  The declarations you are making work both ways my friend.

I do not make him anything. I just anxious to see who he is in the DA:I. I do not make any statement except the things which been stated in BW interview and some slight spoilers which already been released. They are facts, not my personal viewpoint. 

I do have hightly positive viewpoint on Cole, but that thing is not matters here, i just saying that there more things, that you do not consider (or prefer to), and that your viewpoint is very one-sided, which ignores certain,m very serious arguments for Cole being kind of good entity in its DA:I state, which undergone complex transformation on its way (i keep comparing him to Sten, because there is reason to do so)

[Medhia_Nox]

@Blackstork:  Your mistake is thinking you are not also "very one-sided" - and that somehow you are giving him a less bias viewpoint.

 

You cannot compare him to Sten and also not have "make him anything".  You have already decided on Cole in the same way I have - just in the opposite extreme.

 

I am open to being challenged by the game - but have not been so challenged yet because I have not yet played it.

[Blackstork]

@Blackstork:  Your mistake is thinking you are not also "very one-sided" - and that somehow you are giving him a less bias viewpoint.

 

You cannot compare him to Sten and also not have "make him anything".  You have already decided on Cole in the same way I have - just in the opposite extreme.

 

I am open to being challenged by the game - but have not been so challenged yet because I have not yet played it.

I agree here, so any argue will be reundant. I just think that he , surely , will provide interesting storyline and alot of things to learn and reveal, and he is totaly worth "exploring". True biased position is one which denies explore his personality and marks him as "Creepy demon", because, not just by my oppinion, but confirmed information by BW (and some spoilers) he is certainly not that creepy (well he is for some people, but he is good creepy type) and not that "demon"

Buit surely people can't mark him as murderous thug. Or cat-brained spirit. He is much more than that.