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[Bayonet Hipshot]

Question :- Who would make the best ruler for Ferelden ?

 

My answer :- Anora ruling on her own or Anora married to Male Cousland or Alistair married to Female Cousland. 

 

Explanation :- First off, I like to roleplay my characters. The thing about roleplaying your character is you get into the whole state of being your character. To do this best, one must ignore metagaming.

 

The knowledge of the future is a form of metagaming. Sure we as players know that Alistair who is hardened would make a good King. However, our Wardens, no matter who they are, will never know this. They do not get to see the epilogue slides and then get to reload a save back to change their decisions. 

 

When you look at this situation this way, when you look at the issue of Ferelden's leadership under the perspective of "I won't really know what this will bring, I have to rely on the past and the present", the best options are to make Anora as the sole leader or if you are Male Cousland and think you would be a good ruler, to marry Anora. The only other option that you have is that if you think are a very capable Female Cousland, you can get depose Anora, marry Alistair and rule Ferelden. 

 

For the simple reason that we know nothing about Alistair's potential as a good ruler if he is hardened. All our Wardens could have ever seen or known is that being a Grey Warden is Alistair's passion and Alistair is being made a political pawn by his uncle, Arl Eamon. All our Wardens could have ever seen or known is that Anora, while she had messed up by allowing her father to effectively, make her a puppet, has in the past, proven to be a very credible ruler. All our Wardens could have known is their capability as a ruler and a leader, which they pretty much demonstrate by gathering the army. 

 

When you are put in such a situation and if you could just imagine that you know nothing about epilogue slides, Anora or Anora wedded to Male Cousland or Alistair married to Female Cousland are the best options for Ferelden. 

 

Cheers. 

[Medhia_Nox]

My Warden is the best ruler - Anora can make babies and smile at poor people and touch the sick - while I build defenses along the Frostback and begin building my fleet to take total control of the Waking Sea and invade the Free Marches.

[Tevinter Soldier]

I feel Bad for him then usually I let him be a grey warden still.

 

but doing that prevent's loghain from jioning the wardens, a fitting end to a flawed but true hero of fereldon.

 

hell one of playthroughs i have loghain as the hero not just striking the final blow but doing the dark ritual and surviving. 

[KaiserShep]

Anora betraying the Warden to Cauthrien was some quick thinking if you ask me. I mean, the whole point of the getup was so she would be unnoticed and the Warden just blows up her spot lol.

[Cooperb21]

but doing that prevent's loghain from jioning the wardens, a fitting end to a flawed but true hero of fereldon.

 

hell one of playthroughs i have loghain as the hero not just striking the final blow but doing the dark ritual and surviving. 

I guess its just Alistar can be annoying and all but he did not do any crimes or was the villain i usually never not kill Loghain.

[Yermogi]

I personally believe that Anora and Alistair truly do make the best rulers together. Anora is great dealing with politics, but she does not have the bloodlines to support her, nor does she have the natural charisma to make her very popular.

 

Meanwhile, Alistair isn't much of a politician, but he cares deeply for his people and he wants to help them, to build a better life for them all. He wants to be a good man, which in turn makes him a good king.

 

I do feel guilty that I had to pair them up together because neither of them like each other, but they WORK. I sometimes wish I had hardened Alistair so that he could fall in love and try to find happiness with a woman on the side.

[enson8502]

I personnaly like strong and powerful political women and I think that Anora is the best female queen character to follow if you want schemes. She'll probably do things for her own good and she'll seek power. She would probably answer to me that it's not the case, but don't believe her she's a pretty good liar.

 

So, on a story perspective, I think Anora is more complex.

 

But, for my version of ferelden, I want a happy land with rainbows and unicorns and a heroic king like Alistair who's the story looks like a soap on TV. So, that's why I'm chosing him all the time and let Anora rot un the dungeon.

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

Making Alistair king is like voting for liberals. It's a lovely show of heart, but not particularly sensible, and likely means you would also make a horrible king, if one's goal was to have an effective kingship capable of really ruling. 

 

Anora is the only remotely sensible choice, though one might argue that anyone who has to be put on the throne isn't exactly "King" material anyway, as a real King would be fully capable of simply seizing it. Key word being "King". Not leader. Though, we can give Anora somewhat of a pass there, as it could be argued if you do decide to place her on the throne, it's due to her machinations, and not really due to you personally. 

 

Bear in mind that if you had the gall to kill off Logain, thus even allowing Alistair to be a choice, you're further reducing your qualifications of capable kingmaking. Considering the amount of years, blood, sweat, and tears, the average human being takes to raise to adulthood, a resourceful person only kills people as a last resort, and always tries to eek out more return on that vast collective investment each individual has cost, which is difficult to do when they're dead. 

[Aren]

Same, it ruins the point of a Grey Warden, if i had to choose to be king in the next games as my warden, id go against it. My job is killing the Darkspawn and protecting the innocent, being king completely contradicts the "Grey" in their name choosing a side when we're supposed to be a neutral force

mmmmm you know the first warden doesn't seems to think like that, it' s time for the warden to rule this world. Being King of Ferelden, champion of redcliffe,champion of denerim.Arle of denerim,Theirn of Highever,arle of amaranthine,Arle of Gwaren, warden-commander, and hero of Ferelden, and then received a letter of congratulations from the First Warden who sent to you Woolsey to tell to you that Warden are important blight or no. The first warden also is involved in politics, well i think that the Warden sooner will become more than a neutral force.

[Battlebloodmage]

If Alistair and Anora were to get married, the bloodline dies with them. Alistair is a grey warden and Anora has a possibility of being infertile. It could be Cailain who is impotent or they don't sleep together, but Anora and Alistair would just be the same since Alistair and Anora hate each other almost as much as Morrigan hate Alistair.

[Lilaeth]

Eamonn pours cold water on Anora's claim of being the 'real' ruler of Ferelden.  She had to be rescued by my Warden.  i see no sign of the fearsomely competent political person she's supposed to be.  So I put my Warden and Alistair on the throne.

[Erinski92]

I picked Alistair because I like rulers who don't really want to rule. But also made my warden the queen cause I don't think he should go it alone. Not Anora's biggest fan so thought it seemed like the most stable choice. 

[Erinski92]

Making Alistair king is like voting for liberals. It's a lovely show of heart, but not particularly sensible, and likely means you would also make a horrible king, if one's goal was to have an effective kingship capable of really ruling. 

 

Anora is the only remotely sensible choice, though one might argue that anyone who has to be put on the throne isn't exactly "King" material anyway, as a real King would be fully capable of simply seizing it. Key word being "King". Not leader. Though, we can give Anora somewhat of a pass there, as it could be argued if you do decide to place her on the throne, it's due to her machinations, and not really due to you personally. 

 

Bear in mind that if you had the gall to kill off Logain, thus even allowing Alistair to be a choice, you're further reducing your qualifications of capable kingmaking. Considering the amount of years, blood, sweat, and tears, the average human being takes to raise to adulthood, a resourceful person only kills people as a last resort, and always tries to eek out more return on that vast collective investment each individual has cost, which is difficult to do when they're dead. 

That's one of the inherent differences between a monarchy and a republic. Monarchs, particularly the kind in Dragon Age, are given the ultimate power over life and death. That was a defining moment in the Stolen Throne for Maric, and there were similar ones for Celene in the Masked Empire. It's not pleasant nor is it inherently the right thing to do but kings and emperors are supposed to be able to kill since they're ultimately the law. 

[Peer of the Empire]

Alistair is too much the whining loser to be king, and would bring ruin to the nation

[RicochetHawke]

Alistair. Definitely. Anora was kind of an unpleasant person. I wouldn't dare sit her ass on the throne or anywhere near it. 

[FiveThreeTen]

Alistair and Anora.

 

A rallying symbol allied with a competent ruler.

And they would have time to settle the matter of "no heir" by preparing a Landsmeet not called in an emergency situation to appoint their succession.

In theory, Ferelden political system allows that.

[Lebanese Dude]

I have playthroughs with all outcomes of the Landsmeet (except Queen Anora + Executed Alistair), and I found them all good in their own way.

My favorite has to be Alistair + Anora ... with Warden + Anora (with Loghain alive) just behind,

[Sir DeLoria]

Warden + Alistair

[ITIATT]

Defintely not my Warden lol. My Warden was king married to Anora... and what does he do? chases and searches for his mistress while he should be attending to his duties as king. Then he steps through the Eluvian with said Lover to go meet up with his Old God Baby and be together with the woman he is cheating on the queen with. What a great King.... But I wouldn't have it any other way. DA 4 can't wait to play as the Warden one last time. ( Please bioware )

[SovietCyborg]

A King, a Prince or a Tyrant needs to be both a fox to avoid the snares and a lion to terrify the wolves.

[Lady Artifice]

Anora, alistair proves he's unfit to rule with the loghain issue. He's selfish, petulant and whiny. i make him a drunk every time without hesitation.

 

I'm just surprised you let him live. 

[kimgoold]

I can never place pretender Anora on the throne or inflict her on Alistair hardened or not. Alistair has heart and a willingness to learn, Anora thinks the sun shines out of her every orifice. I always had the feeling she would marry my Warden's Mabari if it got her arse on the throne.

[Ser Nug]

Depends on what you mean by best king. You could say Elizabeth I was a great queen and ruled successfully for a very long time. Yet the Tudor dynasty died with her. So as a ruler she was good but at continuing her dynasty she failed.

To solve the problem of a lack of heir and the problems to come of it I think one good plan is to put Alistair and Female Cousland on the throne. Even if they don't have children there is a chance that her brother Fergus will. That way his child could become the heir to the throne if need be. I doubt the nobility would object to that as it is stated in Origins that many wanted Bryce Cousland to be king instead of Cailan in the first place. So if Fergus remarries and has two children one could become teyrn/teyrna and the other king/queen. If he has none and the ruler/rulers die before him then he could perhaps claim the throne for himself. I suppose the same could work for Anora and Male Cousland too depending on Anora's feelings. However in both scenarios we are left with a non dynastic heir.

That is all just speculation however. In the canon we have Anora, Alistair and your warden to rule or to mix up as a ruling couple. And with all of them it looks like there will be no heirs of Theirin blood so in the dynastic sense it does not matter who rules. They all fail.  But I can easily see all of them ruling in a similarly successful manner as Elizabeth I for a long time (Anora for the longest probably as she doesn't carry the taint). So in that sense they are all on the same level and in the end it is perhaps a matter of taste.