I still think the Valiant should get a x3 headshot bonus, just to make it stand out a little.
But yeah. Back when I had pretty much all my ultra rares at 1 or 2, I had a level 5 Valiant and I was kicking ass with it on Gold. Don't use it quite as much now, but still a really underrated weapon.
Same here. I still 
the Valiant on the QFI.
Marksmad, on 18 Sept 2015 - 2:26 PM, said:
BTW, in case the rest of you were wondering, the Javelin is the worst gun in the game. Because I can't hit a damn thing with it
Just practice, practice, practice! I have been playing about 75% of my games with the Javelin over the last couple of weeks, and I'm pretty sure I've gotten to the point where I'm more effective than I would be using a Mantis with the same setup. Against Geth at least. I absolutely own Geth Wave 8. And I'm pretty good at Wave 1 Reapers. I have even gotten a couple of 3x Cannibal kills. Guardians tremble when they see me lining up a shot. Ummm (what else)..... Oh, it usually only takes me 4 shots on average to down a Husk zig-zagging its way toward me. Still not so great at everything else though.
That is how 1 truly becomes one with the Javelin grass-hopper <---------- gives myself a shameless hand clap for the old TV reference
How I forced myself to learn the Javelin is I used only it for 1 week straight...Every single match..no matter what character I picked..I equipped the Javelin...Ever been a SmashDept w a Javelin?....after you spend so much time with it ..it will just become second-nature..specially once you get the MLG Pro Elite-no scope killing figured out..I do still miss shots..wayyy too much..but, meh, thats just how it goes .. I do feel bad when I run into someone using stasis around me and I no-scope auto-aim kill their target...Also,, once you figure out hip-firing it at things right in front of you....like a husk ...Hilarious!!!!
I would of course highly recommend the Valiant as an alternative. It's lightweight, high rate of fire, extremely fast reload, good ammo capacity, swag factor, and makes Black Widow noobs feel bad.
The only caveat is that it demands headshots to be effective, but as long as you're decent with those it is a very rewarding SR. It's actually my favorite one. I forgot all about the CSR until you just brought it up.
Ironically enough, the valiant actually is my favorite sniper.
of course you are !!!?.. , and I'm pretty sure I've gotten to the point where I'm more effective than I would be using a Mantis with the same setup.
And I'm pretty good at Wave 1 Reapers.
No matter how hard you push the envelope, it will always be stationary.
Marksmad, on 18 Sept 2015 - 2:26 PM, said:
That is how 1 truly becomes one with the Javelin grass-hopper <---------- gives myself a shameless hand clap for the old TV reference
How I forced myself to learn the Javelin is I used only it for 1 week straight...Every single match..no matter what character I picked..I equipped the Javelin...Ever been a SmashDept w a Javelin?....after you spend so much time with it ..it will just become second-nature..specially once you get the MLG Pro Elite-no scope killing figured out..I do still miss shots..wayyy too much..but, meh, thats just how it goes .. I do feel bad when I run into someone using stasis around me and I no-scope auto-aim kill their target...Also,, once you figure out hip-firing it at things right in front of you....like a husk ...Hilarious!!!!
Or take a sidearm?
Hurricane ULM for 4% if you're feeling cheesy. Otherwise I like the Phalanx. Actually feels like a sidearm for those occasions.
Is there anything effective that can be done with the collector assault rifle ?
Is there anything effective that can be done with the collector assault rifle ?
I guess in a pinch it could be a workable substitute for the Phaeston.
In other words, no.
I guess in a pinch it could be a workable substitute for the Phaeston.
But slightly heavier and with less ammo capacity.
Collector Adept, TGI, GI, Destroyer and Turian Soldier/Quarian Marksman. It was a pretty decent gun in ME2 but Bioware rarely touched it in ME3 for whatever reason.Is there anything effective that can be done with the collector assault rifle ?
Is there anything effective that can be done with the collector assault rifle ?
Is there anything effective that can be done with the collector assault rifle ?
What's with all the CAR hate? When was the last time any of you used it? Before balance changes? Compared it to anything that isn't Typhoon/Saber/Harrier/Hurricane X?
I constantly see people saying the Phaeston is better, and I honestly believe they're all insane. CAR has zero recoil, and its accuracy(Including bloom) is similar to the Saber, Phaeston has MUCH more recoil, and is less accurate. Phaeston is 52 Base damage, CAR is 69 Base damage.
How about some SMG comparisons? BPP? Ignoring the 5x damage AP shot, 50 base damage. CSMG 51 Base damage (Admittedly, 1.5x armour mod makes it awesome), Tempest, 59 Base damage, Locust (Which has similar recoil, accuracy, and clip size) 51 Base damage.
I'm not saying the CAR is OMGBS, it's no Ultra Rare. It is, however, the one of, if not the best Rare AR. No arguement that things like the Widow is are better guns, but ARs are generally nerf guns in this game.
Since you all finally dragged me into the conversation, I guess I'll add my list of worsts, rated by rarity, not class.
Common: Shuriken
Uncommon: Incisor
Rare: GPSMG
UR: Valkyrie
To be fair to shotguns and pistols who didn't make this list, I'll add supressor and GPS, but not because they're as bad as the others above, because they're not, in the right hands they are much better.
UR: Valkyrie
Thing is that the Valkyrie is deadly (in terms of TTK) if you are landing headshots. Deadlier than most of the other ARs.
Well, besides the Shuriken. I'd have to say the GethSMG. Especially the way pugs play that weapon (on power focus kits, of all things). Still, saying that, I still liked using it on high fire rate kits like Trooper/GI/Destroyer. As it seems fine on those kits.
I'm a CAR fan. I forget the kits I used it on, outside of the Collector Adept, because... reasons.
Thing is that the Valkyrie is deadly (in terms of TTK) if you are landing headshots. Deadlier than most of the other ARs.
And that's why I hate it soooo much - it reveals my scrubbery in all its glory. Done the challenge points 4 times, compared to 10 with the CAR, which, with a scope, I find genuinely enjoyable to use - and I will generally land those headshots. If I need to play a TGI for example, it makes the game much more interesting than using one of the obviously better guns.
Thing is that the Valkyrie is deadly (in terms of TTK) if you are landing headshots. Deadlier than most of the other ARs.
I tried it on Hunter Mode GE, first shot hit the head, second shot missed. Every time. I'd rather just take the Saber (Only SLIGHTLY heavier) and kill them in the first headshot. The real problem with the Valkyrie is the weight. If it was lighter (Say, on par with Lancer), it would be a far better gun, it just has very stiff competition in its weight class.
Edit: Also, what UR would you nominate to replace it then? Spitfire because it only functions on a limited few characters? Without accuracy and rate of fire bonus, Valkyrie sucks as well, so basically the same number of characters can use it. BPP due to low bullet damage? Throw on a recoil system, and accuracy bonus, and clean up with headshots, so again, same few characters. Harrier due to low ammo? Can't argue this one, sorry. My claim wasn't that is the worst gun of all, just that it is the worst UR (subjectively and in my opinion).
What's with all the CAR hate? When was the last time any of you used it? Before balance changes? Compared it to anything that isn't Typhoon/Saber/Harrier/Hurricane X?
I constantly see people saying the Phaeston is better, and I honestly believe they're all insane. CAR has zero recoil, and its accuracy(Including bloom) is similar to the Saber, Phaeston has MUCH more recoil, and is less accurate. Phaeston is 52 Base damage, CAR is 69 Base damage.
How about some SMG comparisons? BPP? Ignoring the 5x damage AP shot, 50 base damage. CSMG 51 Base damage (Admittedly, 1.5x armour mod makes it awesome), Tempest, 59 Base damage, Locust (Which has similar recoil, accuracy, and clip size) 51 Base damage.
I'm not saying the CAR is OMGBS, it's no Ultra Rare. It is, however, the one of, if not the best Rare AR. No arguement that things like the Widow is are better guns, but ARs are generally nerf guns in this game.
Since you all finally dragged me into the conversation, I guess I'll add my list of worsts, rated by rarity, not class.
Common: Shuriken
Uncommon: Incisor
Rare: GPSMG
UR: Valkyrie
To be fair to shotguns and pistols who didn't make this list, I'll add supressor and GPS, but not because they're as bad as the others above, because they're not, in the right hands they are much better.
Interesting post. Well I began to like the phaeston when I put it on the turian soldier (solves the accuracy and recoil issue), might try the CAR on him. The thing is that for challenge points farming reasons I have done the CAR challenge a reasonable number of times, always on the TGI. Well I always had the feeling that ok ,it's accurate with no recoil and a decent rate of fire but the damage output is total crap (well if you add fire explosions it will probably become quite good). And having the same base damage as the locust isn't helping me considering it better... It's probably just a feeling and is worth retesting but that's how I see it.
About the best rare AR I would put above him the revenant, the argus and probably the geth plasma rifle.
And I agree with the fact that the worst weapon in the game should be chosen by rarity (I fell it's strange to compare a katana to another shotgun).
Interesting post. Well I began to like the phaeston when I put it on the turian soldier (solves the accuracy and recoil issue), might try the CAR on him. The thing is that for challenge points farming reasons I have done the CAR challenge a reasonable number of times, always on the TGI. Well I always had the feeling that ok ,it's accurate with no recoil and a decent rate of fire but the damage output is total crap (well if you add fire explosions it will probably become quite good). And having the same base damage as the locust isn't helping me considering it better... It's probably just a feeling and is worth retesting but that's how I see it.
About the best rare AR I would put above him the revenant, the argus and probably the geth plasma rifle.
And I agree with the fact that the worst weapon in the game should be chosen by rarity (I fell it's strange to compare a katana to another shotgun).
Just a slight correction. Locust is 59 Base damage, CAR is 69 Base Damage, about 18% More. The sad part is that once you have a Lancer III+, the Lancer is lighter, with higher base damage. However, if we are purely talking non-URs, CAR is great, if slightly heavy.
EDIT: I would recommend something like Destroyer, the gun has one weakness, which is damage. Accuracy and recoil (WHat Turians fix) are great already. It's an AR for pre-UR status manifests, it does pale in comparison to most URs.
Just a slight correction. Locust is 59 Base damage, CAR is 69 Base Damage, about 18% More. The sad part is that once you have a Lancer III+, the Lancer is lighter, with higher base damage. However, if we are purely talking non-URs, CAR is great, if slightly heavy.
Ooops, my mistake 
is there a place where I can find the rate of fire of the different weaons ? It would help for the comparisons.
Whichever one I'm trying to use to kill Collectors.
I tried it on Hunter Mode GE, first shot hit the head, second shot missed.
This is a common theme with the "headshot" weapons in this game. They aren't very accurate, which is a strange design choice. I would need to replay it on GE without the scope, but mainly on non-accuracy boost characters you need the scope if you want to use it at longer range and don't want to use cover.
Human Soldier is one of the non accuracy classes I will run the Valkyrie on w/o scope, but typically play it at fairly close range.
I enjoy a lot the valkyrie on the vorcha hunter engineer : the headshots are easier when the target is in the submission net 
And I feel that it's a waste to use a weapon that oneshots with a submission net because in this regard you might as well go with a stasis character. The great strength of the net is that it does'nt "break". But anyway that as just to say that the valkyrie is great on him 
i run this build : http://kalence.drupa...!53V57364!39GEC
(Has been referenced ad nauseam b4) :Ooops, my mistake
is there a place where I can find the rate of fire of the different weaons ? It would help for the comparisons.
What's with all the CAR hate? When was the last time any of you used it? Before balance changes? Compared it to anything that isn't Typhoon/Saber/Harrier/Hurricane X?
I constantly see people saying the Phaeston is better, and I honestly believe they're all insane. CAR has zero recoil, and its accuracy(Including bloom) is similar to the Saber, Phaeston has MUCH more recoil, and is less accurate. Phaeston is 52 Base damage, CAR is 69 Base damage.
My problem with the CAR is its weight. It's too weak to be a primary weapon on a weapons class, which means that it should be a caster AR. But.... it's a little bit too heavy to be a caster AR, because weapon weight really starts to negatively affect your power spam once it starts dropping below 140-150%. If the CAR weighed the same as the Mattock, I would use it all the time on caster classes.
And the thing is, the CAR doesn't need to weigh as much as it does. That's the sad part. Making it weigh about 0.8-0.9 at level X would only serve to put it in the "not obsolete" category. It wouldn't make it even remotely OP. Right now, the CAR just doesn't do enough damage to justify taking it over a Phaeston/GPR/Mattock/Lancer, or even a decent-level Valkyrie on a caster class, because you're going to do more damage with your power spam anyway.
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