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[afgncaap7]

Assault rifle - Striker. Wouldn't necessarily call it "the worst", but don't advertise an automatic grenade launcher and then give people a spitwad gun that shoots blanks and has to reload the moment it hits it's "fast firing rate". I also have to give honorable mention to the spitfire due to the typhoon rendering it completely pointless..

Shotgun - Graa​l. Heavy, projectile travel time, requires a charge up, multiple other shotguns can essentially do the same damn thing and it can't even pierce guardian shields. The graal is very much a case of "why would I pick this over something else?".

Sniper rifle - Collect​or sniper. Limited range on a friggin SNIPER and if I remember correctly it's just too easy to overheat.

Pistol - Tie between t​he executioner and............the headshot one from the citadel DLC. So they can do massive damage in one shot......ok? There's a hundred ways to kill just as quickly in this game without needing that much required precision and those other methods give you more room for error.

​SMG - Shuriken. I prefer not to use starter weapons in this kind of discussion, but something has to be said about the shuriken. It stands out as the only weapon in the game that's outclassed from the very beginning due to the predator being functionally a better "smg" thanks to the superior fire rate.

[TMB903]

Assault rifle - Striker. Wouldn't necessarily call it "the worst", but don't advertise an automatic grenade launcher and then give people a spitwad gun that shoots blanks and has to reload the moment it hits it's "fast firing rate". I also have to give honorable mention to the spitfire due to the typhoon rendering it completely pointless..
Shotgun - Graa​l. Heavy, projectile travel time, requires a charge up, multiple other shotguns can essentially do the same damn thing and it can't even pierce guardian shields. The graal is very much a case of "why would I pick this over something else?".
Sniper rifle - Collect​or sniper. Limited range on a friggin SNIPER and if I remember correctly it's just too easy to overheat.
Pistol - Tie between t​he executioner and............the headshot one from the citadel DLC. So they can do massive damage in one shot......ok? There's a hundred ways to kill just as quickly in this game without needing that much required precision and those other methods give you more room for error.
​SMG - Shuriken. I prefer not to use starter weapons in this kind of discussion, but something has to be said about the shuriken. It stands out as the only weapon in the game that's outclassed from the very beginning due to the predator being functionally a better "smg" thanks to the superior fire rate.

Graal...bad? You mean to tell me you feel the Katana is better? Disciple? Eviscerator? Scimitar?Madness. (Hint : it's not the gun). CSR is also pretty good. It is easily better than the ©Raptor

[Salarian Master Race]

 

Sniper rifle - Collect​or sniper. Limited range on a friggin SNIPER and if I remember correctly it's just too easy to overheat.

 

 

CSR starts eating double magazine if you hold the trigger for too long.  The trick is to either tap it like the Mattock, or pulse it for 1/3 a mag at a time.

 

I would counter that the Incisor is the worst of the Sniper Rifles, Automatic Sniper with that much recoil is counterproductive.

[banans_huligans]

Raptor and Phalanx with autoclick macro are fine, feels a bit like Indra and Eagle

[afgncaap7]

Graal...bad? You mean to tell me you feel the Katana is better? Disciple? Eviscerator? Scimitar?Madness. (Hint : it's not the gun). CSR is also pretty good. It is easily better than the ©Raptor

 

I think you misunderstood me. It's not that the Graal is that bad, there's just too many shotguns that are worlds better. I don't think it's fair to count starter weapons. The only reason I listed the shuriken was because it REALLY stands out. I'd gladly take the disciple or scimitars light weight, firing rate and ease of use over the graal if for some reason I decided to use a shotgun on a power-heavy character. I've never had any trouble with the eviscerator.

The number 1 question h​ere is......why take the Graal? Why go through the trouble of lugging around that hunk of metal that requires me to charge it up, factor in travel time and have another option to deal with guardians......when I could just use the piranha, raider or reegar and annihilate anything stupid enough to get in front of me?

[afgncaap7]

CSR starts eating double magazine if you hold the trigger for too long.  The trick is to either tap it like the Mattock, or pulse it for 1/3 a mag at a time.

 

I would counter that the Incisor is the worst of the Sniper Rifles, Automatic Sniper with that much recoil is counterproductive.

 

I'll admit, I forgot all about the incisor. I think I used that thing once.

As for the CSR, why bother? If I need a high firerate sniper, then the indra and raptor will both get the job done with no risk of overheating at a bad moment.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

Sniper rifle - Collect​or sniper. 

No. Just no. You simply can't take one of the very most powerful weapons in the game and put it on the worst weapons list.

[Salarian Master Race]

I'll admit, I forgot all about the incisor. I think I used that thing once.

As for the CSR, why bother? If I need a high firerate sniper, then the indra and raptor will both get the job done with no risk of overheating at a bad moment.

 

Swag Factor.

[filippopotame]

BioWare also said they tested weapons how they perform on Silver and adjusted based on those results. Not on stats, figures and numbers. Is what I also read one BioWare person say. So to them the Geth Spitfire was fine as it was even before the 10% buff. ... But is they tested these things on Silver, then don't ask me why the Hurricane is the way it is. Cause that thing should be outright banned below Gold difficulty

 

... What's that? Reeger? Well I guess BioWare guys had a thought time standing up on their feet on Silver if they got too close to enemies, so they that having to risk getting close was trade off enough, maybe?

 

 

I really can't believe BioWare guys who had access to this game way before us are so terribad to think Silver is the normal difficulty even by the last DLC. Silver to me is the "still need to learn how to play" difficulty, because I was never forced to learn how to properly play until I entered Gold. That's why everyone who jumps to Gold get very overwhelmed at the difficulty spike that they drop like flies every second. "Huh, cover? What's that?... What do you mean I can't stand in the middle surrounded by all enemies? Come revive me right now!"

Well I see why they did that, at this time 90% of the games were on silver and bronze

[ROBOTICSUPERMAN]

Any weapon(at level 10 with no slots filled) which is ineffective because of its horribly bad traits should have been balenced way back.
the likes of the shuriken, hornet, incisor, argus, vindicator are nearly unusable because of the recoil or inaccuracy or both.
All but the incisor can be fixed by equipping a recoils dampener or scope or both. But then you forgo taking a piercing mod or barrel, all the other weapons will be gaining an even bigger lead on dps by using the pierce and barrel mods.
Why would you take a shuriken over a pheaston when the damage is better, accuracy is better, sustained fire, larger mags?

[filippopotame]

Any weapon(at level 10 with no slots filled) which is ineffective because of its horribly bad traits should have been balenced way back.
the likes of the shuriken, hornet, incisor, argus, vindicator are nearly unusable because of the recoil or inaccuracy or both.
All but the incisor can be fixed by equipping a recoils dampener or scope or both. But then you forgo taking a piercing mod or barrel, all the other weapons will be gaining an even bigger lead on dps by using the pierce and barrel mods.
Why would you take a shuriken over a pheaston when the damage is better, accuracy is better, sustained fire, larger mags?

Well there is a rason why the shuriken sucks : to make you play in order to unlock other things.

 

On the other hand rare weapons like the collector shitrifle (the assaut rife, not the sniper) should be better than common ones, and I would certainly pick an avanger over this gun.

[capn233]

No. Just no. You simply can't take one of the very most powerful weapons in the game and put it on the worst weapons list.

 

O rly?

 

Assault Rifle:  Harrier - can't do damage because no ammo

Shotgun:  Reegar - this gun is terrible because it has no range

Pistol: Arc Pistol - this gun won't also make me a sandwich

SMG: Hurricane - consumes 2 ammo per shot, so it only does half its potential dps

Sniper: Black Widow - doesn't one shot Atlases

[PatrickBateman]

Assault rifle - Striker. Wouldn't necessarily call it "the worst", but don't advertise an automatic grenade launcher and then give people a spitwad gun that shoots blanks and has to reload the moment it hits it's "fast firing rate". I also have to give honorable mention to the spitfire due to the typhoon rendering it completely pointless..

Shotgun - Graa​l. Heavy, projectile travel time, requires a charge up, multiple other shotguns can essentially do the same damn thing and it can't even pierce guardian shields. The graal is very much a case of "why would I pick this over something else?".

Sniper rifle - Collect​or sniper. Limited range on a friggin SNIPER and if I remember correctly it's just too easy to overheat.

Pistol - Tie between t​he executioner and............the headshot one from the citadel DLC. So they can do massive damage in one shot......ok? There's a hundred ways to kill just as quickly in this game without needing that much required precision and those other methods give you more room for error.

​SMG - Shuriken. I prefer not to use starter weapons in this kind of discussion, but something has to be said about the shuriken. It stands out as the only weapon in the game that's outclassed from the very beginning due to the predator being functionally a better "smg" thanks to the superior fire rate.

I took the CSR to platinum once with the SI and will never do it again, not due to it's bad but because with Incindiary IV it was just so damn OP it made it boring.

[filippopotame]

I took the CSR to platinum once with the SI and will never do it again, not due to it's bad but because with Incindiary IV it was just so damn OP it made it boring.

Then don't take it with the QFI : the tech vulneraility makes it even more OP

[TMB903]

I think you misunderstood me. It's not that the Graal is that bad, there's just too many shotguns that are worlds better. I don't think it's fair to count starter weapons. The only reason I listed the shuriken was because it REALLY stands out. I'd gladly take the disciple or scimitars light weight, firing rate and ease of use over the graal if for some reason I decided to use a shotgun on a power-heavy character. I've never had any trouble with the eviscerator.
The number 1 question h​ere is......why take the Graal? Why go through the trouble of lugging around that hunk of metal that requires me to charge it up, factor in travel time and have another option to deal with guardians......when I could just use the piranha, raider or reegar and annihilate anything stupid enough to get in front of me?

Simple : headshots. It isn't an EZ mode I win weapon but it has it's niche and does it exceedingly well. It's interesting that the number 1 complaint people have about it wasn't even mentioned by you. All of your other complaints about it are L2P issues.

[Deerber]

O rly?

Assault Rifle: Harrier - can't do damage because no ammo
Shotgun: Reegar - this gun is terrible because it has no range
Pistol: Arc Pistol - this gun won't also make me a sandwich
SMG: Hurricane - consumes 2 ammo per shot, so it only does half its potential dps
Sniper: Black Widow - doesn't one shot Atlases

I lol'd, especially at the arc pistol

Not much else you can say about that thing, I guess.

But, the hurricane statement isn't accurate

[Al Swearengen of Deadwood]

Simple : headshots. It isn't an EZ mode I win weapon but it has it's niche and does it exceedingly well. It's interesting that the number 1 complaint people have about it wasn't even mentioned by you. All of your other complaints about it are L2P issues.

Yeah, a shotgun that can 1 headshot kill most non bosses on gold from across the map is not good.

[capn233]

But, the hurricane statement isn't accurate

 

That's because it is the Hurricane.

[MaxCrushmore]

O rly?

 

Assault Rifle:  Harrier - can't do damage because no ammo

Shotgun:  Reegar - this gun is terrible because it has no range

Pistol: Arc Pistol - this gun won't also make me a sandwich

SMG: Hurricane - consumes 2 ammo per shot, so it only does half its potential dps

Sniper: Black Widow - doesn't one shot Atlases

 

I guess the sky really is falling .. Capn, trolling BSN

 

And I agree, the Arc pistol should make me a sandwich

[capn233]

I guess the sky really is falling .. Capn, trolling BSN

 

And I agree, the Arc pistol should make me a sandwich

 

Seriously.  I bet a lot of players get hungry in matches.  Why does Bioware not care about hungry players?

[MaxCrushmore]

^How do they expect me to maintain my 500lbs frame if I have to wait 25 minutes between meals?

[TheN7Penguin]

Hurricane+Magazine Size V+Heat Sink V = awesome. Just saying.

 

 

The Arc Pistol is one of my favourite guns. Shame I don't have it on the PC yet. :/

[Miniditka77]

Simple : headshots. It isn't an EZ mode I win weapon but it has it's niche and does it exceedingly well. It's interesting that the number 1 complaint people have about it wasn't even mentioned by you. All of your other complaints about it are L2P issues.

 

Yeah, few weapons on this game can one-shot mooks as easily as the Graal can, at least not without the help of Tactical Cloak, Phasic Rounds, or some accuracy-boosting power.  A single charged Graal headshot does almost exactly as much damage as a Claymore headshot, with better accuracy, and you have two more shots in the chamber.

 

And then there's the fact that the Graal is awesome on melee classes.  It will almost guaranteed stagger a Phantom, giving you a great opportunity to MRAAAW! her into the sunset without worrying about a sync-kill.  Plus, you don't have to worry about armor DR or Smart Choke, so you can take the Omni Blade without gimping your weapon performance even a little bit.

[Salarian Master Race]

Three nights in a row now I have had dreams about Mass Effect weapons.

 

First dream was with the Vindicator.  These Rocky Horror Picture Show vampires were hanging around, I shot them several times each with no effect, and then they asked me if there was anything to drink around here.

 

Second dream was with the Katana, and some sort of Scion hulk monsters were shuffling around the house.  Again, ineffectual.

 

Last night it was the Claymore.  The enemy was my father.  I was waiting for him, but he never showed up. 

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

O rly?

 

Assault Rifle:  Harrier - can't do damage because no ammo

Shotgun:  Reegar - this gun is terrible because it has no range

Pistol: Arc Pistol - this gun won't also make me a sandwich

SMG: Hurricane - consumes 2 ammo per shot, so it only does half its potential dps

Sniper: Black Widow - doesn't one shot Atlases

I said "one of". That's five. So, yes