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[lizthetimelord]

Has there ever been a codex entry or a comment by one of the writers that tells us the percentage of Thedas's population who are mages? In the games there seem to be a lot of them, but is that just a product of the fact that we're playing people who get into all kinds of shenanigans, and therefore meet more troublesome mages than average? Or are mages really that common?

[Inquisitor Julianos]

if it's average (For fantasy settings), i would put it into a demographic of 1:10,000 because Thedas is apparently a big place.

[raging_monkey]

They are a minority from what dialogue implies codices are also vague sometimes

[Augustei]

Mages are like 10,000 in number. Muggle nation populaces are 1-2million in number (according the the old DA guide Fereldens population pre-blight was 1 million)
So say 15 million Muggles
10 thousand mages

[lizthetimelord]

Mages are like 10,000 in number. Muggle nation populaces are 1-2million in number (according the the old DA guide Fereldens population pre-blight was 1 million)
So say 15 million Muggles
10 thousand mages

 

What's your source for the 10k number?

[Inquisitor Julianos]

Mages are like 10,000 in number. Muggle nation populaces are 1-2million in number (according the the old DA guide Fereldens population pre-blight was 1 million)
So say 15 million Muggles
10 thousand mages

theres definatly more than 10,000 mages. Thedas is Gigantic, even if one percent of that 15 Million people, thats still 150,000 people Gifted with "Sparkle fingers". and we have to add in the Qunari, Elves, Humans. as well as Mages outside of the chantry.

 

with its pre blight pop of 1 million, i could see 10,000 Mages IN JUST FERELDEN

[Inquisitor Julianos]

Danka for the like.

[Eveangaline]

Probably depends on the nation. And maybe the race? I'd wager elves would have higher rates of magicery since they probably don't shame family lines with it. (Or at least the Dalish, since city elves are Andrastrian they probably do...). Wheras Tevinter where they pretty much marry specifically to produce more and more magic lines both in the ruling class and probably forcing their slaves to do the same (or forcing their slaves to do things that end up with them having the magisters children), there's probably a lot more mages born in Tevinter, even if it's mostly concentrated among magisters and slaves.

 

Qunari probably have the opposite, I'm guessing since they specifically have controlled breeding and see magic as a terrible thing (even if they make use of it once it exists), they probably have the lowest amount due to not having the people with magical bloodlines be the ones that have kids.

[Inquisitor Julianos]

I'd say go with 1% of the total Thedas population is a mage.

[Augustei]

What's your source for the 10k number?

A codex entry from the storm age puts the numbers of mages in the gallows in the hundreds.
So I'd guess that after 200 years with little change in circle circumstances the Gallows would house little more than 1000 mages. The Gallows is the second biggest circle in thedas so lets say the others have 600 mages each (Besides Orlais) which lets say has 3000 combining the Montsimmard and Val Royeaux circles.

So 13 circles
10 x 600=6000
+ 1000 from Kirkwall
+ 3000 from Orlais

= 10,000

If you factor in the numerous losses from the Mage-Templar War, The Incident in Fereldens circle tower where all but 12 mages or all the mages (depending on your choice) died. And then The events of DA2 and the Mages that died in that circles attempted Annulment. Then the numbers would be even less than that.

[Inquisitor Julianos]

i would say there are at least, 150,000 mages amongst all the races of Thedas

[Inquisitor Julianos]

a very small demographic of the population, because, Again, thedas is huge, and atleast 1% of a countries population probably has the aptitude.

[Sully13]

hmm but seeing as qunari shun and torture there Mages i would assume the atrition rates are high and that young sound to have magic would be killed. that is just speculation though. look at the Serrebas

elves would have a higher number due to natural affinitys.

humans at the average

and dwarves having 2 in most of there history.

[Augustei]

i would say there are at least, 150,000 mages amongst all the races of Thedas

So you're suggesting the second biggest circle of magi- Kirkwall, went from a few hundred to 15,000 mages in a few centuries without any outside influence at all and without any changes? What would cause such a sudden boom in population? Those Qunari wars they were dying in?
I know that crazy guy in the hanged man and that crazy Ser Otto mentioned more mages being born but for their numbers to jump by THAT high a percentage is not something to draw as little attention as it has.

[Augustei]

Wait nvm, I searched and located that codex I was mentioning, its actually from 9:24 Dragon. So in 9:24 dragon the second biggest circle of magi in all of thedas had only a few hundred mages in it: http://dragonage.wik..._The_Spiral_Eye
So if they only have about  300 and they are the second biggest, Lets be generous and say Val Royeaux has a thousand and the others have 100

So 11x100=1100 (These are all the circles besides Val Royeaux and the Gallows)
+ 300 from The Gallows
+ 1000 from Val Royeaux
= 2400. So all the circles combined have 2400 mages.

We know that majority of mage population is within the circles. So lets say the Qunari have 1000 and the Dalish have 500 (Assuming theres 250 clans, which I doubt theres that many....Since each clan only has 2 mages each The Keeper and The First)

So Thedas would have a total of 3900 mages + say 200 Apostates.

 

[Ajna]

if it's average (For fantasy settings), i would put it into a demographic of 1:10,000 because Thedas is apparently a big place.

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[Merc Mama]

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[Tevinter Soldier]

I believe they prefer to be called "Mundanes" or "öh god it burns"

[Tevinter Soldier]

Wait nvm, I searched and located that codex I was mentioning, its actually from 9:24 Dragon. So in 9:24 dragon the second biggest circle of magi in all of thedas had only a few hundred mages in it: http://dragonage.wik..._The_Spiral_Eye
So if they only have about  300 and they are the second biggest, Lets be generous and say Val Royeaux has a thousand and the others have 100

So 11x100=1100 (These are all the circles besides Val Royeaux and the Gallows)
+ 300 from The Gallows
+ 1000 from Val Royeaux
= 2400. So all the circles combined have 2400 mages.

We know that majority of mage population is within the circles. So lets say the Qunari have 1000 and the Dalish have 500 (Assuming theres 250 clans, which I doubt theres that many....Since each clan only has 2 mages each The Keeper and The First)

So Thedas would have a total of 3900 mages + say 200 Apostates.

 

 

it says hundreds not a few hundred it could be 200-999.

 

and 11 circles is way off, 11 circles "that we know of" the list is wrong to begin with as there's 7 towers in Tevinter alone, further more tevinter has a higher population of Mages then anywhere else in thedas. it follows that their towers are also have a larger population.

 

further more i can't see how its taken 2 years to stop even 4100 mages from rebelling and your suggesting less then that have been fighting off a trained army for over 2 years? given Thedas population levels orlais alone has something like 2 million people. the number don't add up.

 

how could a population that large not bring the war against 2400 mages under control quickly? further more remember a codex entry is written from a first person prospective, it can easily be in error. 

[Han Yolo]

Only 200 apostates? My Hawke slaughtered them by the dozen   They must be all but extinct by now.

[EmperorSahlertz]

theres definatly more than 10,000 mages. Thedas is Gigantic, even if one percent of that 15 Million people, thats still 150,000 people Gifted with "Sparkle fingers". and we have to add in the Qunari, Elves, Humans. as well as Mages outside of the chantry.

 

with its pre blight pop of 1 million, i could see 10,000 Mages IN JUST FERELDEN

Most of the mages in Ferelden were all in the Circle, and they only numbered a couple of hundreds. Apostates are a minority within the minority, so if you add the two populations up, there is probably only around a thousand mages in any nation. Put together, that would equal roughly 10,000 mages. With Qunari and Tevinter being obvious odd balls in the equation.

[wwilt13]

This is certainly an interesting question.  I'd love to see a developer comment with an official answer.

 

I would guess that 1% is a fair assumption for people to have ties to the Fade, but I don't know the population of Thedas either.

[Ryriena]

I believe that the few hundred in the Kirkwall cricle was a error because from my population math, I would say that about a thousand are in each circle. But these values would not include those outside the circle. So about 1%-2% a ratio of 1:2 are mages.

[lizthetimelord]

it says hundreds not a few hundred it could be 200-999.

 

and 11 circles is way off, 11 circles "that we know of" the list is wrong to begin with as there's 7 towers in Tevinter alone, further more tevinter has a higher population of Mages then anywhere else in thedas. it follows that their towers are also have a larger population.

 

further more i can't see how its taken 2 years to stop even 4100 mages from rebelling and your suggesting less then that have been fighting off a trained army for over 2 years? given Thedas population levels orlais alone has something like 2 million people. the number don't add up.

 

how could a population that large not bring the war against 2400 mages under control quickly? further more remember a codex entry is written from a first person prospective, it can easily be in error. 

 

Yeah, I'm having trouble believing that there are only a few thousand mages considering how many of them it would take to rebel and not be squashed instantly, and especially since not all mages (such as Viv) agree with the rebellion. I think there has to be a lot more mages. 

 

I believe that the few hundred in the Kirkwall cricle was a error because from my population math, I would say that about a thousand are in each circle. But these values would not include those outside the circle. So about 1%-2% a ratio of 1:2 are mages.

 

People seem to be agreeing with this percetange, and it sounds about right to me (though I'd love some input from Mr Gaider), but the ratio would be more like 1-2:100.

[Tielis]

"What's a Muggle?"  *said in best snarky Hawke voice*