No, I didn't. I can point out the objective downsides. Please point out the objective benefits.
I already pointed out a benefit in the post you quoted.
Also, please look up the meaning of the word 'objective'.
You've used it in several places where you should have used 'subjective'.
Nudity or not the scenes will probably still be awkward as heck.
No more milquetoast sex scenes. Just showing the nudity is a more convincing solution than the Depends sheltering us from naughty bits. That, or a romantic interlude and fade to black.
Except they are still hiding the naughty bits, and are only showing us "butts and boobies".
Well if they don't like something Whether it be nudity, Cullen,etc. in their games then they shouldn't buy it, No one is forcing them to buy this game so why force their opinions on everyone else.
What does that have to do with those things having objective downsides, especially since people not buying the game is one?
As for "forcing their opinions", this is the Feedback and Suggestions subforum. They are allowed to voice their discontentment here. People who don't agree can just not read those threads.
I consider the term prude a compliment, so thank you.
You didn't demonstrate anything being patently ridiculous. You demonstrated that things can have objective downsides to them.
So you consider black people and gay people to be "objectively bad," then?
Good to know.
People will buy the game *because* it has nudity in it, so I'm not sure that's the strongest argument, Kallen. But I also don't see why Kallen has to argue this at all. There will be people who don't want it there and that's a perfectly fine position to have and express, especially in this forum. It doesn't mean that Dragon Age "isn't for them", we all have things about it we don't like, and it doesn't mean they are immature or whatever.
Like I said, my only quibble is with the use of the term "objective."
thats why right now im makeing Octogenarian nude shark wrestling. all i need is a programer.
I already pointed out a benefit in the post you quoted.
Also, please look up the meaning of the word 'objective'.
You've used it in several places where you should have used 'subjective'.
People who would already buy the game applauding something in the game is not an objective benefit.
Objective: not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased:
So you consider black people and gay people to be "objectively bad," then?
Good to know.
Way to twist my words.
No, I was saying that people pointing out that those things are objectively bad because they negatively impact sales have a point by the definition of the term objective. Also, those arguments are outweighed by the objective benefits of including them.
People will buy the game *because* it has nudity in it, so I'm not sure that's the strongest argument, Kallen. But I also don't see why Kallen has to argue this at all. There will be people who don't want it there and that's a perfectly fine position to have and express, especially in this forum. It doesn't mean that Dragon Age "isn't for them", we all have things about it we don't like, and it doesn't mean they are immature or whatever.
Fair enough, though people buying DAI for nudity doesn't make sense to me since it is spending money for a few minutes of a 150+ hour game when they can just watch the scenes for free on websites.
There is a whole giant market for those kind of games in Japan, dating sims is extremely popular. I buy the game mainly for the gay options, but that doesn't mean I won't enjoy playing the rest of the game.People will buy the game *because* it has nudity in it, so I'm not sure that's the strongest argument, Kallen. But I also don't see why Kallen has to argue this at all. There will be people who don't want it there and that's a perfectly fine position to have and express, especially in this forum. It doesn't mean that Dragon Age "isn't for them", we all have things about it we don't like, and it doesn't mean they are immature or whatever.
Technically, those are all valid complaints if the person is backing them with objective reasons. But Bioware doesn't care about those complaints enough to stop doing what they want to do in their games.
Man, I would love to see someone attempt to objectively explain why gay people, blacks and the sort should not be included in a game. I could use the laugh.
Anyway, that something like nudity might result in fewer sales isn't a very compelling argument. I suppose it bears reminding that this is essentially a murder simulator. We can do horrible things to people regardless of whether or not they deserve it, and we stab the everloving funk out of poor schmucks that get in our way, so the bloody violence could just as well be a reason why many people don't bother with this game, or this franchise for that matter. And, really, this is a fantasy game. Some people just don't like the fantasy genre. At all. I would go so far to say as this alone is more likely to deter more potential buyers than a few seconds of digital dangly bits.
The plain and simple fact is that you and others just don't like it. That's fine, but let's not try to insert objectivity here, because there isn't any, especially considering that people are objecting to this regardless of the context the game's story may provide.
Allright, look. I hate doing this, but:
Blowjobs in Dragon Age. Look how far we've come!
(Btw, I'm not complaining, it's actually the opposite. I just hope the guys also get to go down on the Fem. Inquisitor. Otherwise, it won't do)
*disgusted noise*
I've seen posts from people elsewhere like OH THIS GAME HAS NUDITY? FINALLY, THE MATURE GAME IM LOOKING FOR. idk. I don't even pretend to understand why that would be a reason to buy a game, but it's out there. 
I think I did see an african american looking female NPC featured somewhere in a DA: I trailer video, I'm not really sure though.
Allright, look. I hate doing this, but:
ob·jec·tiveəbˈjektivadjective: objective1.(of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts."historians try to be objective and impartial"That is what objective means. You are misusing the word. Stop.
I posted how I was using the word, and my definition matches yours. So no, I am not misusing the word.
Happy to see that Cassandra isn't prudish(like some BSNers) and is willing to show the jigglies to all her adoring fans. Kudos to Bioware for finally manning up and actually showing breasts when appropriate(much like how CDPR does with Witcher).
Hopefully we don't see something as ridiculous as covered up dancers in a strip club in the next ME.
Happy to see that Cassandra isn't prudish(like some BSNers) and is willing to show the jigglies to all her adoring fans. Kudos to Bioware for finally manning up and actually showing breasts when appropriate(much like how CDPR does with Witcher).
Hopefully we don't see something as ridiculous as covered up dancers in a strip club in the next ME.
First mod to break through the Frostbite barrier will be floating censor bars.
I'm fine with seeing boobs and butts but if I have to see anyone "going down" on some one I think I might die lol.
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I'm fine with seeing boobs and butts but if I have to see anyone "going down" on some one I think I might die lol.
You know some whacky folks out there would do their best to get some primo shots from a freecamera mod.
I still can't grasp how someone can be A-Ok with wanton violence, but oh no, a lady nipple? Have you no shame?
I still can't grasp how someone can be A-Ok with wanton violence, but oh no, a lady nipple? Have you no shame?
Well Mortal Kombat X is certain gonna push that limit 
I still can't grasp how someone can be A-Ok with wanton violence, but oh no, a lady nipple? Have you no shame?
I try to avoid killing people in the games, so I would not say I am A-OK with wanton violence.
Also, it's not just female nipples. I don't think men should be topless either. Fair is fair.
Well watch out. Those Venatori soldiers are gonna bring sexy back on the battlefield.
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