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[Little Princess Peach]

Nugs that don't wear armor are naked so yeah they will have nudity in this game

[Mukora]

I just don't get why people are so against it.

Nudity isn't evil. It's just a thing, like anything else. A character being naked is just a piece of visual storytelling like any other. If it fits the scene then why avoid it? Because some people are squeamish?

[Sully13]

id love if the Ash warriors were like the Celts running in to battle naked and painted in kadis.

[Iakus]

I just don't get why people are so against it.

Nudity isn't evil. It's just a thing, like anything else. A character being naked is just a piece of visual storytelling like any other. If it fits the scene then why avoid it? Because some people are squeamish?

And I don't see why people are so for it.

 

I mean, is spurting blood and blood spatter "evil"  No.  But the fact of the matter is it makes som epeople uncomfortable.  Just as nudity does.  SO what's the big deal?  WHy is Dragon Age less of a game with out it?

[Shadow Fox]

Nudity by itself never really bothered me in media tbh.There's nothing vulgar about it, unless it's presented in that way and I don't think it will be the case in DAI.

Hope so.

[veeia]

I honestly find the idea that people think nudity is required for DA to be a mature game slightly uncomfortable too. I think that tasteful, respectful nudity is awesome, but I am just as "...." about "NEED BOOBIES" as I am "nudity no thanks", possibly even more because there is a weird undercurrent of "WE ARE ENTITLED TO SEE THESE WOMEN NAKED" to some of it.

[Mukora]

I never said it was necessary. I'm just saying, its presence doesn't detract from the game in any way.

[veeia]

Not talking about you specifically, Mukora. I generally agree with your posts. just wanting to throw that out there, because I don't think there's a line in the sand with nudity/no nudity, and since the thread is veering towards deconstructing one side, I wanted to throw in some thoughts on the other! Apologies for any confusion .

[Han Shot First]

They did in Mass Effect 3, so I see no reason why they wouldn't in Dragon Age: Inquisition. 

 

 

No they didn't. There was no dialogue whatsoever while there was nudity on screen.

 

There was nudity in Mass Effect 1 but it was during a cutscene where the player had no interaction with the game. The dialogue wheel was before and after. Before the characters were fully clothed, after the nudity was only suggested but obscured by camera angles.

 

In Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 there was no nudity at all during romance scenes.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

In a couple of scenes, anyway. In others, they did it DA:O style. Samantha's scene is pretty infamous because of this.

I was talking about having the dialogue wheel appear in the scenes. 

 

That wouldn't happen to a romanced Leliana. I don't see the issue at all, she could very well had a rs with Josie before meeting the warden or even Marjolaine.

Not really, unless Bioware is willing to have underaged sex approved in their games. Josephine was just becoming a teenager when Leliana ran to Lothering. 

 

 

No they didn't. There was no dialogue whatsoever while there was nudity on screen.

 

There was nudity in Mass Effect 1 but it was during a cutscene where the player had no interaction with the game. The dialogue wheel was before and after. Before the characters were fully clothed, after the nudity was only suggested but obscured by camera angles.

 

In Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 there was no nudity at all during romance scenes.

There was dialogue wheels when the characters were undressed. For example when Shepard wakes up from the nightmare and the LI says comforting words. And if that happened with that game's equivalent to nudity, then there is no reason to think Bioware won't have it with actual nudity. 

[daveliam]

What? No naked boys, just girls?

That sounds a lot like the "mature" approach TW took to nudity (design scenes specifically to show girly T&A as much as possible without being overly blatant about the gratuitousness of it all so your fanboys will praise and defend you for it.).

If Bioware is gonna do nudity, I would expect better.

 

Reliable rumor has it that there is rear male nudity as well.

[Iakus]

I never said it was necessary. I'm just saying, its presence doesn't detract from the game in any way.

It doesn't detract from the game for you.  but I think at this point it's pretty clearly established that it detracts from the game for others.  Yes it's a matter of personal taste and comfort levels.  But at the same time, it's not really necessary for the game.  So I don't understand why some people (not you, specifically) feel the need to mock others as "prudes" or need to "get over themselves" for preferring something not so...explicit.  Or for thinking that just because it's rated "M" that they are entitled to see digital "Beeeeewbs!" 

 

This is why I favor fade-to-black.  I say let the players' minds do the work.  I'm sure we can be plenty more explicit in what goes on than anything a game developer can put in a scene.   .  

[AlanC9]

Then why are those who would rather not see them in DAI (or any game for that matter) being called "prudes" and such?

Haven't said that myself, but I can see how it comes up. It's a useful term for describing someone who's trying to hold something to a standard that you don't think should be a standard in the first place. It's pejorative, sure. But without using that term you still end up in more-or-less the same place, because the substance of the argument is that the "prude"'s tastes shouldn't be catered to.
 

Why are they so important that they must be displayed in love scenes?  Or any scenes, for that matter?

Why is it "nudity or underwear sex"  Are there no other options?

 
"Important" is relative. More important than offending a handful of people? The threshold for that level of importance is so low that the devs just feeling like it would meet the standard.

And sure, there are other options. I don't see any particular reason to prefer them. Unless we really want to adopt lowest-common denominator as a fundamental design principle, so anything that offends anyone ever is ruled out.

[byne]

The idea that bioware can show hundreds of people mercilessly slaughtered as we play through the game but shouldnt show naughty bits is utterly absurd. If it makes you uncomfortable, deal with it. The idea that making people uncomfortable should be avoided no matter what is what leads to silliness like trigger warnings.

[Iakus]

Haven't said that myself, but I can see how it comes up. It's a useful term for describing someone who's trying to hold something to a standard that you don't think should be a standard in the first place. It's pejorative, sure. But without using that term you still end up in more-or-less the same place, because the substance of the argument is that the "prude"'s tastes shouldn't be catered to.

And my "case", I guess, is "Isn't there another way?"  Start throwing perjoratives around and discussion becomes pointless.  We've both seen that.

 

 

"Important" is relative. More important than offending a handful of people? The threshold for that level of importance is so low that the devs just feeling like it would meet the standard.

And sure, there are other options. I don't see any particular reason to prefer them. Unless we really want to adopt lowest-common denominator as a fundamental design principle, so anything that offends anyone ever is ruled out.

 

 

A reason to prefer them would be to leave more people happy.  Or, at least content.  As I said, there's plenty more option than "digital naughty bits" and "underwear in the shower"  Why don't these options ever get addressed?

[Iakus]

The idea that bioware can show hundreds of people mercilessly slaughtered as we play through the game but shouldnt show naughty bits is utterly absurd. If it makes you uncomfortable, deal with it. The idea that making people uncomfortable should be avoided no matter what is what leads to silliness like trigger warnings.

I "deal with it" by turning persistent gore off and favoring peaceful solutions.

 

Were's talking about mercilessly slaughting people, right?

[llawsford]

I'm fine with seeing boobs and butts but if I have to see anyone "going down" on some one I think I might die lol.

 

LOL, me too

 

 

This is why I favor fade-to-black.  I say let the players' minds do the work.  I'm sure we can be plenty more explicit in what goes on than anything a game developer can put in a scene.  

 

I'm with you on this one. Shame there's not much left for imagination this time.

[veeia]

The idea that bioware can show hundreds of people mercilessly slaughtered as we play through the game but shouldnt show naughty bits is utterly absurd. If it makes you uncomfortable, deal with it. The idea that making people uncomfortable should be avoided no matter what is what leads to silliness like trigger warnings.

 

How is this remotely like trigger warnings? A trigger warning argument wouldn't be "NEVER PUT UPSETTING THINGS IN GAMES", it would be saying "Hey, people should be aware that "x" game has "y" content, so if anyone has serious issues with being exposed to "y "content, they can know in advance and prepare for it/choose for themselves if it's something they want to expose themselves to." 

[AlanC9]

And my "case", I guess, is "Isn't there another way?"  Start throwing perjoratives around and discussion becomes pointless.  We've both seen that.

I think discussion is pointless anyway. The different tastes are not reconcilable, and there's no sense pretending that they are. One can attempt different implementations, of course, depending on how you want to balance things.
 

A reason to prefer them would be to leave more people happy.  Or, at least content.  As I said, there's plenty more option than "digital naughty bits" and "underwear in the shower"  Why don't these options ever get addressed?

Go ahead and discuss the other options if you like. I don't bring them up because I'm not particularly interested in keeping Kallen happy. It's just not my problem. It's Bio's problem if they think there are enough Kallens to matter.

As for balancing the concerns, it looks to me like including nudity means that you've got a small set of people with a relatively large utility loss, and a larger set of people with a relatively small utility gain. Presumably Bio concluded that the gains outweighed the losses. (This outcome works best for me since I'm on the gaining side.) Assume different numbers and you get a different balance, but I don't see any principled way to assign those numbers. Alternatively, Bio could have just concluded that this question could not be answered rationally, and therefore decided to just make the game the way they wanted to without particularly worrying about whether a few people wouldn't like it.

Are you advocating a different approach to such questions? If so, what is it? Are you just assuming different numbers on the gain/loss calculation? Trying to not offend anyone ever strikes me as unworkable in practice, and an awful design approach even if it was workable.

Edit: I don't actually know anything about the DAI implementation except for that Cassandra screenshot upthread, which strikes me as substantially better than what we've seen in previous Bio games.

[Sully13]

ilove how people think adding a few organs will lead to games becoming an issue of Crossed. 

[Battlebloodmage]

If there's Pokemon Daycare in this game, I wonder if they show the nude as well. Seeing as how they use universal body type, they don't have to change too much resources wise.

[Eliana Rose]

I usually don't comment, but I have been reading most of this discussion, and think it is silly.  What difference does it make whether there are romance (sex) scenes, or nudity, or blood and guts, or that the Inquisitor has a green hand rather than purple?  It is up to the individual buying the game to determine whether or not they will like the content or not.  Don't like nudity or sex scenes?  Don't buy the game!   It is as simple as that.  To have these long discussions (which are fine by me if you like) trying to push your opinions (feelings, like, dislikes) on others is dumb.

 

And for the record, I will state that Dragon Age is the first video game series I have ever really enjoyed, I own 3 gaming systems, and I am a female over 40 (okay, over 50), and pre-ordered the game back in April.

 

This post states my personal opinion only.

[Vaseldwa]

I usually don't comment, but I have been reading most of this discussion, and think it is silly.  What difference does it make whether there are romance (sex) scenes, or nudity, or blood and guts, or that the Inquisitor has a green hand rather than purple?  It is up to the individual buying the game to determine whether or not they will like the content or not.  Don't like nudity or sex scenes?  Don't buy the game!   It is as simple as that.  To have these long discussions (which are fine by me if you like) trying to push your opinions (feelings, like, dislikes) on others is dumb.

 

And for the record, I will state that Dragon Age is the first video game series I have ever really enjoyed, I own 3 gaming systems, and I am a female over 40 (okay, over 50), and pre-ordered the game back in April.

 

This post states my personal opinion only.

 

Also you don't have to romance anyone, so no romance! no nudity! Problem solved!  

[Vaseldwa]

  

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[Vaseldwa]

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