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[Sully13]

say wernt we talking about pixelated asses?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Considering how the devs said that DA:I takes place 10 years after the events in DA:O, I'll go with what they say.

 

Also, isn't what you were arguing about off-topic too?  Pretty sure this thread isn't about whether or not Josephine was 'of age' in DA:O.

The Last Flight book hasn't had the dates be addressed as inaccurate like some were in The Calling.

I know. That's why I was stopping with that last post, now this post. 

[AresKeith]

No, DAI is in at least 9:42 since Last Flight which takes place from 9:41-9:42 and has no mention of the Inquisition in it. So it is at least 12 years after Origins. So that puts her in her mid teens during Origins.

 

But this is offtopic. 

 

Actually that part is still speculation 

[robokorean]

Women's breasts in DA:O looked abnormally low down on their torsos. Just another reason the sex scenes with Morrigan seemed a bit awkward... More anatomical/proportional correctness, BioWare! You guys rule

[Andres Hendrix]

*sigh*

 

The Greeks had attitudes towards sexuality that we define as criminal nowadays, as did the Romans.  During the later part of the Empire was when these sexual mores that we can identify with first started appearing, such as taboos against public nudity and promiscuity.

 

Furthermore, the stereotype of the Middle Ages being prudish and sexually repressive is almost entirely fiction, read Chaucer for a good example.

I was not really talking about nowadays; I compared antiquity, the medieval era, and the Victorian era. The Greco-Romans had a view of the human body as being natural art, up until much later in the empire (I believe you are correct in that sense). However, what was going on during the later empire hmmm?

The worst epoch in written human history was the medieval period. As you should know, Chaucer came around near the end of the medieval era approaching the more autonomous renaissance. I should add, have you read the "Improba Carmina" of Catullus? lol I am not saying that antiquity did not have its faults, but it was a better time than the medieval period.

Antiquity was a time when we were at least trying to advance our knowledge of things (somehow Lucretius and his fellow natural philosophers figured out an atomic theory, but thanks to the destruction of much of ancient literature by theocratic despotism, we do not have those writings to understand how). The medieval period was a time when we were simply rediscovering how to learn.

James Joyce once said, "there is no philosophy that the church hates more than a human being." The medieval period was when the Church had absolute power; it controlled many aspects of a person’s life through the fear of hell. The church dictated the sexual positions a person could engage in, homosexuality was completely despised, and priests were charged with finding people who had sex before marriage. The worst punishment for having sex before marriage was death. If people were lucky, they could just be wed and the man would have to do community service.

The medieval church had more tortuous views than at least the Greeks had. The Romans had brutal discipline, but just look at Virgil’s depiction of the afterlife compared to Dante’s. Dante’s depiction of hell is like Christian snuff porn lol. Virgil’s depiction is a bit of the macabre, hence why the Romans had a mentality of ‘live life to the fullest.’

[FuzzyThoctar]

The Last Flight book was also written by one of the main devs, and unlike The Calling the dates haven't been addressed as inaccurate.

I know. That's why I was stopping with that last post, now this post. 

 

I haven't a clue about who is right with the timeline, but isn't Last Flight's author Liane Merciel? Who is just a fantasy author (and apparently a lawyer)? I don't believe she is a dev. Of course, wiki could be lying to me, but...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I haven't a clue about who is right with the timeline, but isn't Last Flight's author Liane Merciel? Who is just a fantasy author (and apparently a lawyer)? I don't believe she is a dev. Of course, wiki could be lying to me, but...

No, you are right. I goofed and thought Patrick Weekes wrote Last Flight as well as Masked Empire. My apologies. 

[Eliana Rose]

Each person has their own head canon, what their characters did.  Please remember that you have your head canon, I have mine, others have theirs.  Your head canon is not the official game canon, and therefore belongs to you alone.  

 

You are quite welcome to air your opinion, but remember that it is your opinion, and others are entitled to theirs without trying to "prove" yours.

[Iakus]

I doubt that romance scenes are entirely responsible for a lack of diverse body builds.  It'd be a tall order to go through all the permutations and get eye levels adjusted, make it so the characters are an appropriate distance apart, etc... with or without them

Not entirely, but it is a factor.

 

Iron Bull was going to be race-gated due to difficulties with his body model before they fixed it.

[Sully13]

Soo about these boobs. i personaly like flatchested girls.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Each person has their own head canon, what their characters did.  Please remember that you have your head canon, I have mine, others have theirs.  Your head canon is not the official game canon, and therefore belongs to you alone.  

 

You are quite welcome to air your opinion, but remember that it is your opinion, and others are entitled to theirs without trying to "prove" yours.

If this is about the Josephine thing, it is not headcanon but is going by what devs have stated.

[Iakus]

I think discussion is pointless anyway. The different tastes are not reconcilable, and there's no sense pretending that they are. One can attempt different implementations, of course, depending on how you want to balance things.
 

 

Depends on the reasoning,  If the issue is purely to have nudity vs not having it, then yeah they can't be reconciled.

 

But if there's a reason why people think there should be nudity, then there's something to discuss.

 

Do people think it adds maturity to the game?

 

An expression of closeness between the characters?

 

Realism and immersion?

 

vs why people don't want nudity:

 

Does it make people uncomfortable?

 

Fear that it won't be handled tastefully?

 

Concern that it will be used for shock value?

 

With reasons, we can find alternatives that satisfy what both sides need.

[Eliana Rose]

If this is about the Josephine thing, it is not headcanon but is going by what devs have stated.

 

It is not.  I  have read a lot of this thread and I understand you have strong opinions about various things in the game.  You are allowed to definitely have those opinions.  But my head canon and yours are two different things.  The age of Josephine in Origins, the nudity, the sex in the game, combat, tactics, environment...in the overall game, what does it matter what I think, what you think, or what anyone else thinks?  Enjoy the game the way you want to.  Skip the scenes you don't like.  For me, I plan on playing this game to the fullest of my ability.

 

I appreciate the opportunity to air my opinions.

[robertthebard]

Meaning that doing the females is just a reskin since you've already got the geometry? OK, but that argument only works for full-frontal, of course.

Spoiler

Not if you're hung like I am. A scene of me taking off my pants, even from behind, would need a bit of editing to make it M instead of AO in a sex scene situation...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It is not.  I  have read a lot of this thread and I understand you have strong opinions about various things in the game.  You are allowed to definitely have those opinions.  But my head canon and yours are two different things.  The age of Josephine in Origins, the nudity, the sex in the game, combat, tactics, environment...in the overall game, what does it matter what I think, what you think, or what anyone else thinks?  Enjoy the game the way you want to.  Skip the scenes you don't like.  For me, I plan on playing this game to the fullest of my ability.

 

I appreciate the opportunity to air my opinions.

Ah, then I apologize for misinterpreting your previous post then. I thought you were saying things like Josephine's age range and she and Leliana were never intimate was opinion/headcanon when it is not, the former being stated by the writer of Josephine and the latter the writer of Leliana.  

 

As for skipping scenes I do not like, that results in skipping scenes I do like as well. Hence my problem with this addition. If it was just the sex scene, sure whatever I just have to press X, but we have photographic evidence that the sex scene is not the only area that has it. 

 

I never said anyone couldn't air their opinions so I do not understand why you think I implied otherwise. On the other hand, I would expect the ability to express my opinions without being targeted and insulted because of them, especially since I have not insulted those with opposing opinions. Not saying you have, but a few here have done so. 

[FuzzyThoctar]

Depends on the reasoning,  If the issue is purely to have nudity vs not having it, then yeah they can't be reconciled.

 

But if there's a reason why people think there should be nudity, then there's something to discuss.

 

 

I agree that this can be discussed reasonably. I like tastefully done nude scenes for one of the reasons you mentioned: an expression of closeness between characters. (Depending on how the scene is depicted) this tells me something about the characters and their relationship, and a nude scene can portray a sense of vulnerability shared between them. Yes, this can be done without actually showing nudity, but sometimes it does end up feeling silly skirting around it (even more silly when they are rolling out of bed clothed).

 

However, I also have an issue with games/movies/shows that seem to throw in nudity for the shock value, or because they think naked people = mature. Or when women are completely naked while men are still clothed (coughs). In such cases, I'd rather not even have it.

 

I'm hoping that DA:I will be in the former camp, when the situation arises.

[Lumen Sage]

Obviously with this game being rated M, it should have full nudity, when they try to cover that up or it goes all dark its like there trying to keep things underwraps because now by doing that you would almost think its rated T. Also if done correctly within the context of story and ingame relationship then no it shouldn't be considered porn but actually tastefully done within the context of what has transpired so far in the story, also for the people who think there should not be nudity at all in games, specifically for this one all this is actually optional so its not "forced" upon anyone. The bottom line would be that its there if you want it and if you don't then you can do that as well that's your choice. This way everyone wins!!!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Obviously with this game being rated M, it should have full nudity, when they try to cover that up or it goes all dark its like there trying to keep things underwraps because now by doing that you would almost think its rated T. Also if done correctly within the context of story and ingame relationship then no it shouldn't be considered porn but actually tastefully done within the context of what has transpired so far in the story, also for the people who think there should not be nudity at all in games, specifically for this one all this is actually optional so its not "forced" upon anyone. The bottom line would be that its there if you want it and if you don't then you can do that as well that's your choice. This way everyone wins!!!

People are unable to experience parts of the game because it is part of that larger subplot. That is not a win-win scenario. 

[Br3admax]

Press Square/B/space and move on with your life? 

[Mukora]

I have to know. If you had sex with someone in real life, would you close your eyes and turn the lights off?

[BronzTrooper]

Obviously with this game being rated M, it should have full nudity, when they try to cover that up or it goes all dark its like there trying to keep things underwraps because now by doing that you would almost think its rated T. Also if done correctly within the context of story and ingame relationship then no it shouldn't be considered porn but actually tastefully done within the context of what has transpired so far in the story, also for the people who think there should not be nudity at all in games, specifically for this one all this is actually optional so its not "forced" upon anyone. The bottom line would be that its there if you want it and if you don't then you can do that as well that's your choice. This way everyone wins!!!

 

tbf, there are people who will say that any type of media with any amount of nudity is automatically porn.  Just look at what happened with ME1- and that was just side-boob and some ass!

 

Really, I don't get why ME1 got so much flak when Witcher shows more than DA an ME combined (excluding DA:I).  Hell, GTA V shows more, and that's a game where you can run people over with a tank while waging war on the cops!  If DA:I gets flak because of the in-game nudity, I'm going to be really, really angry.  Seriously, it's just sad how worked up people get over stuff like this.  

[HuldraDancer]

So long as there is nudity were it makes sense to have nudity and not just there to show how 'mature' it is I won't have a problem with it personally though I'll be restricting myself to only playing it at my own house and not sharing it with family for obvious reasons. From what I understand based on what I've just heard and what not it seems the nudity will be there because it makes sense to be there so I personally don't think i'll have any problem with it. Okay going to switch back into lurker mode now bye.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I have to know. If you had sex with someone in real life, would you close your eyes and turn the lights off?

This isn't real life. 

[Augustus Tirion]

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With reasons, we can find alternatives that satisfy what both sides need.

Finally... someone says 'alternatives'.

 

A big part of the problem with this thread is that nobody has asked for an alternative that wouldn't irritate the people on the other side.

I think it's fair to say the majority in this thread are in favor of BW's current direction.

That, realistically, leaves it to the minority to ask for something that would make them happier. Without taking away from the satisfied majority.

 

So far, all I've really seen is complaints that there's a tiny bit of toplessness. That they don't want it there. But simply taking it out doesn't work for the other side.

So, instead of complaining that it's there and saying you want it gone, ask for something else.

Such as...

An option, in the settings menu, that would automatically 'fade to black' on the intimacy scenes. It would allow, what seems to be the majority, to keep what they like and allow you an easy way around it, without sacrificing the romance story arcs.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Finally... someone says 'alternatives'.

 

A big part of the problem with this thread is that nobody has asked for an alternative that wouldn't irritate the people on the other side.

I think it's fair to say the majority in this thread are in favor of BW's current direction.

That, realistically, leaves it to the minority to ask for something that would make them happier. Without taking away from the satisfied majority.

 

So far, all I've really seen is complaints that there's a tiny bit of toplessness. That they don't want it there. But simply taking it out doesn't work for the other side.

So, instead of complaining that it's there and saying you want it gone, ask for something else.

Such as...

An option, in the settings menu, that would automatically 'fade to black' on the intimacy scenes. It would allow, what seems to be the majority, to keep what they like and allow you an easy way around it, without sacrificing the romance story arcs.

I gave an alternative, but nobody even replied. 

How would the fade to black when there is nudity work when there are conversations you have to reply to that involve it, though?