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[Mukora]

Not all asexuals are going to be disgusted by sex. And not all people with traumatic experiences are going to be triggered by it.

 

But, if people did provide those as reasons for personally disliking it, I wouldn't mind it at all.

[daveliam]

Some of you guys are being unfair by simply dissmissing others who don t like it.Not everyone wants to see, or hear about tittys and ass. For me personally its more the act itself that makes me nauseous. Here are some intresting things, more people in this thread should think of before assuming its 'weird'

Most A-sexuals
Religious Gamers ( yes they do exist)
There are also people who have been assulted, and sex in anyform can be a trigger for them.
Some people find it distasteful.
and ect.

 

I understand that people find it distasteful or even traumatizing.  However, I don't think that this means that the content should be removed altogether.  The bottom line is that sexual acts and nudity are not something shameful or wrong.  I just don't think that it's fair to say that no one can access that content because some people don't like it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Having sex with your LI isn't mandatory either.  You can turn them down and still keep the romance going (not sure if this is a universal truth with all the LIs).  Come to think of it, maybe having that option is a result of BW including in-game nudity.

I have seen a couple people mention this in the past, yet haven't seen a source. Do you have it? I would be grateful if you did. 

 

 

I'm not behind the idea of blacking out the screen and having voice over instead of nudity.  To me, that just sends a message that nudity is something that needs to be hidden away or is dirty or shameful or embarrasing.  I understand that some people don't like to see it, but it seems excessive to black it out so that no one can experience.  Does it need to be in the game?  No.  But that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be there given that almost everything in the game "doesn't need to be there".  If we keep removing anything that anyone might find offensive, we'd not have a game anymore.

They were suggesting that as merely an option, like the option to turn off gore. 

 

 

I don't think orientation has anything to do with it

Not saying the orientation as a whole but a part of that orientation is certainly possible. 

And if it is part of why I am, then it is just a small part. I have an very good idea on why I am adverse to it, but it is too personal to share.

 

 

Can easily look away during scenes like that, i still don't understand why seeing a topless male or female character is such a huge deal, won't be long drawn out explicit scenes or anything

You have to look to choose dialogue options. 

 

Not eyes, screen. Cover the screen, but not where the dialogue wheel pops up. Besides, you can hear if they stopped talking to know when the dialogue wheel pops up.

I misread, sorry. 

[Augustus Tirion]

I'm not behind the idea of blacking out the screen and having voice over instead of nudity. 

You seem to be responding to my 2nd post, while missing the first.

Please see bold part of this one:

 

Finally... someone says 'alternatives'.

 

A big part of the problem with this thread is that nobody has asked for an alternative that wouldn't irritate the people on the other side.

I think it's fair to say the majority in this thread are in favor of BW's current direction.

That, realistically, leaves it to the minority to ask for something that would make them happier. Without taking away from the satisfied majority.

 

So far, all I've really seen is complaints that there's a tiny bit of toplessness. That they don't want it there. But simply taking it out doesn't work for the other side.

So, instead of complaining that it's there and saying you want it gone, ask for something else.

Such as...

An option, in the settings menu, that would automatically 'fade to black' on the intimacy scenes. It would allow, what seems to be the majority, to keep what they like and allow you an easy way around it, without sacrificing the romance story arcs.

 

 

That's easy.

Voice over (and subtitles) and dialogue wheel on the black screen.

[Battlebloodmage]

Some of you guys are being unfair by simply dissmissing others who don t like it.Not everyone wants to see, or hear about tittys and ass. For me personally its more the act itself that makes me nauseous. Here are some intresting things, more people in this thread should think of before assuming its 'weird'
Most A-sexuals
Religious Gamers ( yes they do exist)
There are also people who have been assulted, and sex in anyform can be a trigger for them.
Some people find it distasteful.
and ect.

You can avoid sex in Bioware game and still maintain a romance or skip it altogether. The content itself is obviously made for peope who want immersion of sex or enjoying a little bit of fan service. They already give on options to skip it for those who find it distasteful. I play a lot of Japanese visual novels for the story (Tsukihime, Fate Stay Night), imagine that, so I can understand the frustration of not being about to skip the sex scenes, but this game allows you to bypass all that and still maintain a relationship, even if there isn't, you can just press cancel and it will skip pass that. As I said before, the content is made for those who enjoy and not for those who don't and those who don't are allowed to skip it, so I don't see a problem.

[AWTEW]

Not all asexuals are going to be disgusted by sex. And not all people with traumatic experiences are going to be triggered by it.

But, if people did provide those as reasons for personally disliking it, I wouldn't mind it at all.

Yes, well, sorry but most don't fall into that category. Lol 'not all people with Traumatic experiences', that is ridiculas. People learn to hide it, but the scar and pyscological damage don't go away that is a proven scientific fact.( with a very small percentage an exception to that rule)

A-sexuals they are not disgusted by it or claim not to mind it, fall under some other Sub-category, otherwise it negates the meaning of being A-sexual in the first place. Urrgh, but I'm not going to go further into that..thats just not going to end well.

[Augustus Tirion]

Some of you guys are being unfair by simply dissmissing others who don t like it.

It's just as unfair for you to dismiss the fact the we do like it.

 

As I've already said;

If you don't like it, don't just complain about it (in the silent hope it'll be removed). Instead, offer an alternative that allows you to avoid it while allowing us to keep what we like.

[Mukora]

Yes, well, sorry but most don't fall into that category. Lol 'not all people with Traumatic experiences', that is ridiculas. People learn to hide it, but the scar and pyscological damage don't go away that is a proven scientific fact.

A-sexuals they are not disgusted by it or claim not to mind it, fall under some other Sub-category, otherwise it negates the meaning of being A-sexual in the first place. Urrgh, but I'm not going to go further into that..thats just not going to end well.

I've been raped. I'm not affected by seeing sex in any way whatsoever. Don't try to pull that "scientific fact" bullshit with me.

 

And I have plenty of friends who are asexual. They're not disgusted by sex, either. The definition of asexual is "Someone who does not experience sexual attraction." That's it. They don't have to be disgusted by it.

 

Do not try to erase others' experiences.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Yes, well, sorry but most don't fall into that category. Lol 'not all people with Traumatic experiences', that is ridiculas. People learn to hide it, but the scar and pyscological damage don't go away that is a proven scientific fact.

A-sexuals they are not disgusted by it or claim not to mind it, fall under some other Sub-category, otherwise it negates the meaning of being A-sexual in the first place. Urrgh, but I'm not going to go further into that..thats just not going to end well.

Perhaps you should stop speaking for people you apparently don't understand. Being asexual means you don't feel sexual attraction. Being disgusted by it is not a requirement. I'm sure some of them do feel that way, but they don't have go into a fainting spell over the fact that other people have sex in order to be asexual.

 

Anyway, the fun got sucked out of this thread awfully fast.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I've been raped. I'm not affected by seeing sex in any way whatsoever. Don't try to pull that "scientific fact" bullshit with me.

 

And I have plenty of friends who are asexual. They're not disgusted by sex, either. The definition of asexual is "Someone who does not experience sexual attraction." That's it. They don't have to be disgusted by it.

 

Do not try to erase others' experiences.

I'm sorry that happened to you.

[DaySeeker]

It's the human body.  I wouldn't want to see explicit sex scenes, but we all have a body, we've seen them.  If we delete the possibility because someone somewhere may at some point find it uncomfortable we ignore how a medium is asking to be expressed and the larger audience that would enjoy it.  I have not heard of someone being triggered because of a pixelated butt cheek that appears briefly on a screen, but that said anything can be a trigger, sounds, smells, colors, patterns, dialogue.  Every piece of media is not responsible for everybody's trigger.  If it were a rape scene- I get it- no to that, explcit sex- gotcha, but medieval fantasy boob I just don't see as an event that as likely.  

 

I'm a gay man.  I don't need to see any lady parts.  I don't particularly enjoy watching straight folks go at it; I often get uncomfortable when they flirt.  I am not going to demand that gets cut out of games.  I know that is me and others enjoy it, and really, no big deal.  I think the religious argument is silly, boobs and butts aren't evil and sex created all the little christians and muslims in the world.  People would be having sex whether or not it was "promoted" in the media, and honestly, sex in a video game where it is about connection and caring and trust is something I'd much rather have folks see than porn or airbrushed magazine covers.  That's me though.  I'm also reasonably sure you can skip romances altogether and click through cut scenes.  I don't see this as needing policing.  Haven't played the game, so don't know what to expect.  I don't think we need to burst into flames over the human body.  

 

I'm turning off the gore though, because that stuff is gross.

[Mukora]

I'm sorry that happened to you.

I appreciate that, thank you.

[daveliam]

You seem to be responding to my 2nd post, while missing the first.

Please see bold part of this one:

 

Yeah, I missed that.  Thanks for pointing it out to me.  I see what you are saying.  A 'toggle' to censor the content for those who don't want to see it.  Yeah, I don't see an issue with that.  Makes sense. 

[Alrik1173]

Nudity done in the correct and proper way in DA: I would actually make the game more realistic looking, as for example: male Inquisitor character slowly removes the clothing from the female character's attractive beautiful body and he then gets a container of honey and slowly pours the sweet honey onto the female character's beautiful breasts and buttocks and then he begins to slowly lick the honey off of her beautiful body among various other romantic sexual related things folks, just saying.

[WildOrchid]

I also fairly remember that you can skip the sex scenes and continue the romance in DAI without them. Correct me if i am wrong, please.

[BronzTrooper]

I have seen a couple people mention this in the past, yet haven't seen a source. Do you have it? I would be grateful if you did. 

 

I remember that it was confirmed by a dev, but I don't remember when.  Will try to find a source for it, if I can.

 

EDIT:  Found a source.

[AWTEW]

It's just as unfair for you to dismiss the fact the we do like it.

As I've already said;
If you don't like it, don't just complain about it (in the silent hope it'll be removed). Instead, offer an alternative that allows you to avoid it while allowing us to keep what we like.

If you want to like it fine, no problem. But not all the dialouge is unskippable and what I would like to see is for it to be skipable. But its looking like you have to engage with the dialouge wheel

I've been raped. I'm not affected by seeing sex in any way whatsoever. Don't try to pull that "scientific fact" bullshit with me.

And I have plenty of friends who are asexual. They're not disgusted by sex, either. The definition of asexual is "Someone who does not experience sexual attraction." That's it. They don't have to be disgusted by it.

Do not try to erase others' experiences.

Hmnn, then I'm yet to meet these people IRl. But perhaps disgusted is not the write word. Its more like sick of having it shoved in our faces all the time in the media.

I'm sorry that happened to you, and thats great ur strong enough to do that. But statisicly and according to academic studies that is not the case for most. If you talk to most reputable and well experienced medical professionals they will tell you the same thing, that the majority are always affected.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Nudity done in the correct and proper way in DA: I would actually make the game more realistic looking, as for example: male Inquisitor character slowly removes the clothing from the female character's attractive beautiful body and he then gets a container of honey and slowly pours the sweet honey onto the female character's beautiful breasts and buttocks and then he begins to slowly lick the honey off of her beautiful body among various other romantic sexual related things folks, just saying.

Well.... that's pretty random

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

I don't like the idea of people thinking that "survivors" (because I don't like labeling myself a victim) of sexual assault are inheritently going to be triggered by something such as intimacy and nudity. Some might and some might not. A trigger can be something so miniscule and nudity might not even be one for some people. It takes time for some people who were assaulted to feel intimacy with a lover (which is what the scene we were shown was) is different from what happened to them, so do not hold assault and sex in the same example. It's victimizing in itself.

[AlanC9]

An option, in the settings menu, that would automatically 'fade to black' on the intimacy scenes. It would allow, what seems to be the majority, to keep what they like and allow you an easy way around it, without sacrificing the romance story arcs.

It's pretty clean, conceptually, as long as the writers aren't being asked to care if the scene still works when blacked out. Toggles generally fail Bio's ROI checks, though.

[AWTEW]

I don't like the idea of people thinking that "survivors" (because I don't like labeling myself a victim) of sexual assault are inheritently going to be triggered by something such as intimacy and nudity. Some might and some might not. A trigger can be something so miniscule and nudity might not even be one for some people. It takes time for some people who were assaulted to feel intimacy with a lover (which is what the scene we were shown was) is different from what happened to them, so do not hold assault and sex in the same example. It's victimizing in itself.

It may take time, but in most cases the sexual assaulst has lasting impacts and affects on future relationships. I have spoken to well over a hundred people who have been victims of some of the most degrading, and sexual acts of depravity that can be commited against a person. And I'm not going to divulge there stories they told me in confidence but all of them have gone onto have bad relationships, drugs, attempted suicides, alchol abuse, in various levels. When you talk to them there is always a pattern, that sex makes the, feel uncomfortable, it makes them anxious, and that they never really trust again.

If some people think they have the capacity to dissacoiate sex from their experiences, thats great..but for the ones that can't. Why should they have to be subjected to such content, if it cant be skipped or toggled off.

[Battlebloodmage]

This is getting off-topic though, sopeople should get back about the thread before it gets locked.

[Alrik1173]

They really should Battlebloodmage amigo.

[FuzzyThoctar]

Some of you guys are being unfair by simply dissmissing others who don t like it.Not everyone wants to see, or hear about tittys and ass. For me personally its more the act itself that makes me nauseous. Here are some intresting things, more people in this thread should think of before assuming its 'weird'

Most A-sexuals
Religious Gamers ( yes they do exist)
There are also people who have been assulted, and sex in anyform can be a trigger for them.
Some people find it distasteful.
and ect.

 

I understand that people may have certain triggers, or just plain don't want to see those things. But if you're speaking for recognition, there are many people out there that have non-sexual related issues with games (though this topic is on nudity specifically). People who have problems seeing violence, torture, anger, alchoholism, arachnophobia, epilepsy, etc. These can be powerful triggers too. I hope I don't come across as callous, but how much do they need to strip away in order to make it friendly to everyone? Then it wouldn't be the story they want to tell.

 

I think it'd be great if certain things can have work arounds (like turning off persistent gore), so that more people can play the way they want. But unfortunately, it's impossible to cater to everyone, especially in a "dark fantasy" setting.