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[Br3admax]

There's no actual "sex" shown, so fade-to-black probably won't fix nudity being there. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

We could all be happy if they'd just make the game moddable.

[Grieving Natashina]

It wouldn't help the console players though.  Mods usually don't.  <shrug>

[Br3admax]

We sure all would. All PC members. Which is not even comparable to every other platform combined. 

[Melca36]

The afterwards part is what looked silly in ME3. Well, that and the infamous shower scene.

The shower scene was ridiculous!!!   

[Sylvius the Mad]

It wouldn't help the console players though. Mods usually don't. <shrug>

No reason they can't.

If console users don't want to learn how to use their chosen platform, that's their choice.

[Steelcan]

We are but MAGGOTS!

 

 

WRITHING IN THE FILTH OF OUR OWN CORRUPTION

[Br3admax]

No reason they can't.

If console users don't want to learn how to use their chosen platform, that's their choice.

The last thing I need is a $400 brick, thanks. 

[robertthebard]

We are but MAGGOTS!
 
 
WRITHING IN THE FILTH OF OUR OWN CORRUPTION

I hate when that happens.

[Augustus Tirion]

The reality is, quite simply that we don't need them in a game for the game to be good. We don't need sex in a video game for it to be good. Baldur's Gate was plenty good, so good that it's been remade for modern hardware, and it was never about "get in so and so's pants". "But everyone else is doing it" isn't exactly a strong argument either. What if the subject is jumping off bridges, or lighting cats on fire? Does this mean we should all jump on the bandwagon? Give me a game that engages me with the story, and I can live with a fade to black love scene.

Obviously it's not needed in a game.

But, if the writers are going to include it in a game, it should be done properly. That is what this thread is about. Characters with mysteriously reappearing underwear is jarring and unrealistic. Clever camera angles and shadows, better then magic underwear, but people still immediately recognize that the devs were being evasive, making it jarring and unrealistic.

 

The reason this thread has gone on so long is that the people that don't like it are not asking for an option. All they're doing is complaining about the nudity, saying they don't want it in the game. So, obviously, the people that feel it was the proper decision by BW to include it are pushing back.

 

If you don't like the post-coitus nude scenes, fine, that's your prerogative.

But, as I've already suggested, stop just complaining that you don't want it and ask for an option that leaves it intact for the rest of us.

[Rifneno]

Reductio ad Absurdum is, in fact, a thing.  THough I suppose "straw man" works as well, if you prefer sticking to English.
 
And claiming that everyone who doesn't care to see nudity in a game is just a "western puritanical" prude is a pretty clear example.  Not to mention insulting.

I know it's a thing. Why do I think I said "reduction to absurdity"? I don't speak Latin anymore than you do. It is not, however, applicable to what I said. Neither is strawman, and a strawman is completely different than reduction to absurdity. Learn what these fallicies actually mean instead of just randomly parroting them and hoping one sticks.

This thread isn't just people not wanting to see nudity in a game. This thread is people actively promoting censorship. The designers put some mild stuff in the game, and people are complaining for it to be censored. Yes, that is puritanical bull****. If you want a "good wholesome clean experience", I'm sure Nintendo has pumped out dozens of Mario games during the writing of this thread that you can look into instead.

[daveliam]

The reason this thread has gone on so long is that the people that don't like it are not asking for an option. All they're doing is complaining about the nudity, saying they don't want it in the game. So, obviously, the people that feel it was the proper decision by BW to include it are pushing back.

 

 

Well, to be fair, a few people did suggest a nudity toggle, like the persistent gore toggle.  But their logical and even-tempered suggestions were drowned out by the "You're a PURITAN!  Oh yeah?  Well you're a PERVERT!" arguments.  And, joy of joys, those arguments have now migrated with the exact same people into a different thread on a different subforum. 

 

Really, this thread wasn't about turning off nudity to begin.  It was just a clarifying question about what nudity was in the game.  The suggestion came later.  And, to be honest, now that the suggestion has been made, it seems like there's not much left to be said here as neither side is going to budge on their beliefs, I suspect.

[Battlebloodmage]

Again why haven't people address that it's entirely skippable? People don't like to see it don't have to while those who v enjoy it can.

[daveliam]

Again why haven't people address that it's entirely skippable? People don't like to see it don't have to while those who v enjoy it can.

 

The argument was made that

 

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given the Cass nsfw image, it seems like there will be plot and dialogue happening when nudity is present.  They can skip the nudity, but then they'll miss the plot points as well. 

 

At least one or two people made this point. 

[Rifneno]

Well, to be fair, a few people did suggest a nudity toggle, like the persistent gore toggle.  But their logical and even-tempered suggestions were drowned out by the "You're a PURITAN!  Oh yeah?  Well you're a PERVERT!" arguments.  And, joy of joys, those arguments have now migrated with the exact same people into a different thread on a different subforum.

Why should there be a toggle?  That's coding time that could be dedicated to something less ridiculous (and if the past has taught us anything, it's that Dragon Age coders need to spend as much time as possible on bug fixes).  As far as I've always known, the gore toggle has been about system performance, not anyone's standards of taste.  That's why it's persistent gore and not just plain gore.  Having the screen full of people's insides can make lesser systems struggle, so people have the option to turn it off.  Booby-shaped polygons have no such problem.  So this isn't the same thing at all.

[robertthebard]

Obviously it's not needed in a game.
But, if the writers are going to include it in a game, it should be done properly. That is what this thread is about. Characters with mysteriously reappearing underwear is jarring and unrealistic. Clever camera angles and shadows, better then magic underwear, but people still immediately recognize that the devs were being evasive, making it jarring and unrealistic.
 
The reason this thread has gone on so long is that the people that don't like it are not asking for an option. All they're doing is complaining about the nudity, saying they don't want it in the game. So, obviously, the people that feel it was the proper decision by BW to include it are pushing back.
 
If you don't like the post-coitus nude scenes, fine, that's your prerogative.
But, as I've already suggested, stop just complaining that you don't want it and ask for an option that leaves it intact for the rest of us.

Where, in anything that I've posted, have I stated that I didn't want it? Stop circling the wagons and read what I say, instead of what you want me to have said, and you'll see that I don't care, one way or the other. If people would stop misrepresenting what I say to fit their agenda, I'd quit responding. However, when I am misrepresented, such as by you, right here in this quoted post, I am going to respond to it.

At this juncture, with the game preloading onto my computer as I type, it's a bit late for "I don't want it, don't put it in", isn't it? Isn't it time that people sat back and declared their "victory", instead of trying to attack people for making statements that they never made?

[daveliam]

Why should there be a toggle?  That's coding time that could be dedicated to something less ridiculous (and if the past has taught us anything, it's that Dragon Age coders need to spend as much time as possible on bug fixes).  As far as I've always known, the gore toggle has been about system performance, not anyone's standards of taste.  That's why it's persistent gore and not just plain gore.  Having the screen full of people's insides can make lesser systems struggle, so people have the option to turn it off.  Booby-shaped polygons have no such problem.  So this isn't the same thing at all.

 

Meh.  I'm not the one asking for it.  I'm fine with what we're getting as is. 

[Iakus]

I know it's a thing. Why do I think I said "reduction to absurdity"? I don't speak Latin anymore than you do. It is not, however, applicable to what I said. Neither is strawman, and a strawman is completely different than reduction to absurdity. Learn what these fallicies actually mean instead of just randomly parroting them and hoping one sticks.

This thread isn't just people not wanting to see nudity in a game. This thread is people actively promoting censorship. The designers put some mild stuff in the game, and people are complaining for it to be censored. Yes, that is puritanical bull****. If you want a "good wholesome clean experience", I'm sure Nintendo has pumped out dozens of Mario games during the writing of this thread that you can look into instead.

 

A strawman is reducing an argument to an absurd degree so it can be easily demolished.  Which is exactly what you're doing.

 

You are the one claiming that people who don't want to see nudity are advocating censorship when that is not what is happening

You are the one hurling "puritanical" about, making broad assumptions about an entire group of fans.

You are the one declaring what has been putting in the game as "mild" like your perspective is the only one that matters.

[Iakus]

The argument was made that

 

Spoiler

given the Cass nsfw image, it seems like there will be plot and dialogue happening when nudity is present.  They can skip the nudity, but then they'll miss the plot points as well. 

 

At least one or two people made this point. 

That is in fact a very good point.

[Iakus]

It is very unlikely that there will be plot dependent dialogue in romance scenes. This would be a huge break from the way DA1 and 2 were constructed.

 

Any dialogue in a romance scene (or at least a scene that contained nudity) is a huge break from, well, Bioware games in general.  It means you can't just skip past it.

[Handsome Jack]

We could all be happy if they'd just make the game moddable.

 

Here's hoping.

[daveliam]

It is very unlikely that there will be plot dependent dialogue in romance scenes. This would be a huge break from the way DA1 and 2 were constructed.

 

I don't think their concern is general plot or side plots or main plot.  I think their concern is that it will be romance plot.  Like, if they skip all nudity, they will miss some of the discussion between the characters and there might be character development happening that they miss.