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[dekarserverbot]

Nudity "equality" for both genders should be openly featured in DA: I folks!

 

Even if i'm straight and not interested in male body i approve this (to tell the truth, i want to be nude too, not just the girls)

[Mukora]

I think you misread my post, LOL.  I said, "Because there are fans who WANT to see it?" in response to his "give me one reason why they should include it" question.  Me being one of those who want to see it!

 

Yeah, I'm a big proponent of equal opportunity nudity. 

Oh my.

 

My bad. I'm sorry.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Yeah i want it to.. i think we can all agree we like Wiliam and Tiffany and want them in more games. 

[Revan Reborn]

DAI is not going to have fully-animated sex scenes like The Witcher 2. It will be somewhere in-between ME1 and TW2 where there is some nudity such as breasts and butts (unlikely to have full frontal nudity), but it will likely be quick edits and won't be a prolonged experience.

 

Also, not showing the male genitalia is common sense. CDPR did not refuse to show Geralt's private areas because they were being conservative. They did it to prevent The Witcher 2 from getting an AO-rating, which would have been terrible for sales. It's one thing to show breasts and butts. It's an entirely different issue when you are showing private areas below the waist, such as the vagina or penis. There is a fine line and CDPR pushed it as far as they could while staying with an M-rating.

 

Before you even try to make the argument "GTA IV and GTA V did it," both those games showed the male genitalia as comedic value and they weren't used in any sexual manner.

[Elfyoth]

I hope we can see female nudity, but no... I dont want to see Solas's Dreamy Staff, thank you... maybe somone there want... but not me..

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

While we most likely will never get it im sure we can still talk about wanting genitals.

[daveliam]

I hope we can see female nudity, but no... I dont want to see Solas's Dreamy Staff, thank you... maybe somone there want... but not me..

 

Chicago said it best:

 

[viciouswhisper]

if you wanna see the peeps nekkid im sure there will be PLENTY of fan art thats why the internet exists after all

[Revan Reborn]

"Witcher 2" type nudity sucked. Like, if it's okay for Triss's fine breasts to be exhibited onscreen then at least give Geralt a nice dong to make things realistic! I mean, come on, why do his weird white underwear-trousers materialize onto his body every time he's finished doing the nasty? Okay, so perhaps some men would be weirded out and therefore no onscreen penis, but not even a shot from behind?

 

CDProjekt Red didn't even have the courtesy to at least show us some of that witcher-ass xD.

 

It's a little bit hypocritical to be so open minded and forward thinking with female nudity but remain so uptight about male nudity. If you don't have one, you shouldn't have the other, and vice versa. I hate it when people praise the Witcher's nudity as some kind of societal breakthrough when the developers only went halfway. Though this post is quickly getting further and further off-topic, so I'll stop now .

Comments like this make me facepalm... really hard... The fact that people believe these uninformed posts is even more unsettling...

 

CDPR is by far the pioneer when it comes to romance and nudity in video games (very few developers do it to their extent). The reason you did not see Geralt naked was not because CDPR was averse to male nudity, but because TW2 would have received an AO-rating by the ESRB. It's almost a death nail to include nudity below the waist at all (male and female). So if anybody should be receiving the criticism for being biased towards female bodies, your issue should be with the ESRB, not CDPR...

 

Rockstar was able to get away with showing the male genital because they introduced it in a comedic and ridiculous fashion (another developer always pushing the boundaries). Outside of very few exceptions, most nudity you will see in games will be primarily woman exposing their breasts and buttocks. It's less of not trying to be engineers for social change and more so recognizing an AO-rating will absolutely kill sales for one's product.

 

Unless there is some sort of revelation in ESRB and they become as liberal in their views with respect to the human anatomy as some other parts of the world, don't expect any penis or vagina action in video games. At that point really, we start to blur the line between art and pure pornography anyways.

[daveliam]

Comments like this make me facepalm... really hard... The fact that people believe these uninformed posts is even more unsettling...

 

CDPR is by far the pioneer when it comes to romance and nudity in video games (very few developers do it to their extent). The reason you did not see Geralt naked was not because CDPR was averse to male nudity, but because TW2 would have received an AO-rating by the ESRB. It's almost a death nail to include nudity below the waist at all (male and female). So if anybody should be receiving the criticism for being biased towards female bodies, your issue should be with the ESRB, not CDPR...

 

Rockstar was able to get away with showing the male genital because they introduced it in a comedic and ridiculous fashion (another developer always pushing the boundaries). Outside of very few exceptions, most nudity you will see in games will be primarily woman exposing their breasts and buttocks. It's less of not trying to be engineers for social change and more so recognizing an AO-rating will absolutely kill sales for one's product.

 

Unless there is some sort of revelation in ESRB and they become as liberal in their views with respect to the human anatomy as some other parts of the world, don't expect any penis or vagina action in video games. At that point really, we start to blur the line between art and pure pornography anyways.

 

You are incorrect.  You can show male genitalia and not receive an AO rating.  The 'nudity' rating is separate from the 'sexual content rating'.  Increasing nudity does not have any effect on the sexual content category, unless the nudity is related to sexual content.

 

Showing a full frontal female (such as Triss being nude after sex in the opening scene in TW2) and showing a full frontal male in the same type of situation would have the same rating.  Showing either males or females fully nude in the act of sex (including explicit sexual content) probably would increase the rating to AO, but that's a different thing than just showing male nudity

 

Also, TW2 avoided male nudity because they didn't want to show male nudity, not because concerns with the rating.  They didn't even show Geralt nude from the rear, which is something that will be shown in DA: I, which got the same rating as TW2.  So, your logic is incorrect on that as well.

 

Now, all that being said, I think it's unlikely that we will get full-frontal male nudity in a non-comic setting any time soon in video games and, if we do, I doubt it would be Bioware who does it. 

[BartDude52]

@DeathByIcecream: You say that because it's a RPG, people want the game to be more like real life. I don't really believe that, especially after reading many of the posts on threads on this forum.

 

In 'The gay knight in shining armor' thread, I posted how I thought it was unrealistic to have all four of the romances (the ones included in the game to begin with) in DA2 be bisexual and that it was pandering, yet daveliam said that view wasn't applicable because apparently I was 'using Earth statistics on Thedodosian sexuality'.

 

In some other threads I'm sure I've also seen people calling for more non-white characters in future Dragon Age games, despite the fact that in Inquisition 3 out of the 12 companions/advisors are already non-white as it is (5 out of 12 if you want to include both Cole and Iron Bull as well, though the word 'race' in this context isn't really applicable as the former is a spirit and the latter isn't really even humanoid in appearance) and that the world of Thedas is supposed to be based on medieval Europe (especially in the more southern nations such as Ferelden and Orlais). So, really, you shouldn't expect to see that many non-white characters in the first place (25% of the companions/advisors being non-white is already quite generous as it is).

 

So to me, people (well, the ones on this forum at least), clearly don't want the games to be more like real life as you claim, rather more like their own desired fantasy world/universe.

 

Sorry, I know that this post is rather off-topic, but I just have to take issue with your claim that because Inquisition is a RPG, people want it to be more like real life. If you've spent any decent amount of time on this forum, it's rather clear that's not what people want (well, that's what I think, anyway)

[Revan Reborn]

You are incorrect.  You can show male genitalia and not receive an AO rating.  The 'nudity' rating is separate from the 'sexual content rating'.  Increasing nudity does not have any effect on the sexual content category, unless the nudity is related to sexual content.

 

Showing a full frontal female (such as Triss being nude after sex in the opening scene in TW2) and showing a full frontal male in the same type of situation would have the same rating.  Showing either males or females fully nude in the act of sex (including explicit sexual content) probably would increase the rating to AO, but that's a different thing than just showing male nudity

 

Also, TW2 avoided male nudity because they didn't want to show male nudity, not because concerns with the rating.  They didn't even show Geralt nude from the rear, which is something that will be shown in DA: I, which got the same rating as TW2.  So, your logic is incorrect on that as well.

 

Now, all that being said, I think it's unlikely that we will get full-frontal male nudity in a non-comic setting any time soon in video games and, if we do, I doubt it would be Bioware who does it. 

As I stated before, there are only certain situations where you can show the male genitalia without it being an AO-rated game. GTA IV and GTA V are the best examples. When dealing with romance and sex scenes and showing anything below the waist, you are absolutely going to get an AO-rating because it is in a sexual nature.

 

We did not see Triss' vagina. We saw hints of pubic hair, but we never saw the entirety of her body. Females have this luxury because their vagina does not protrude out of their body like the male penis does. If you saw Geralt fully naked with his penis while in any of the sex scenes in TW2, the game would have received an AO-rating. This is fact.

 

Again, you are merely making things up. While it is true CDPR could have shown Geralt's butt at least, they probably did not due to the extra work they would have needed to render his full body, as well as the main issue with animation of pulling on and off his pants. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Geralt's behind exposed in TW3.

 

Given your statements though and the fact you are just making up your own assertions, I'm going to assume you probably don't like TW or CDPR as I would not understand why you would make things up otherwise. I find it interesting how often people on the Dragon Age forum seem to hate on TW or CDPR when it's clear BioWare has taken cues from TW2 with DAI.

[daveliam]

As I stated before, there are only certain situations where you can show the male genitalia without it being an AO-rated game. GTA IV and GTA V are the best examples. When dealing with romance and sex scenes and showing anything below the waist, you are absolutely going to get an AO-rating because it is in a sexual nature.

 

We did not see Triss' vagina. We saw hints of pubic hair, but we never saw the entirety of her body. Females have this luxury because their vagina does not protrude out of their body like the male penis does. If you saw Geralt fully naked with his penis while in any of the sex scenes in TW2, the game would have received an AO-rating. This is fact.

 

Again, you are merely making things up. While it is true CDPR could have shown Geralt's butt at least, they probably did not due to the extra work they would have needed to render his full body, as well as the main issue with animation of pulling on and off his pants. I wouldn't be surprised if we see Geralt's behind exposed in TW3.

 

Given your statements though and the fact you are just making up your own assertions, I'm going to assume you probably don't like TW or CDPR as I would not understand why you would make things up otherwise. I find it interesting how often people on the Dragon Age forum seem to hate on TW or CDPR when it's clear BioWare has taken cues from TW2 with DAI.

 

Took the ESRB comments to PM to make sure that we don't derail the thread.

[Mukora]

"Extra effort needed to render his full body"

 

Right. Not like the extra effort needed to fully render Triss, or Ves completely naked.

[ajiehb]

@ BartDude52

While it's fair enough about people on this forum you should remember that it's only this forum and you can't extrapolate results on whole fan base. This forum represent very small part of people who will play the game. Also remember that dev are doing game that they want to do not what the fans want to see. It's their choice to make color companions or sex scenes. Sure they are listening to forum feedback but they have right to do in another way.  

[ajiehb]

"Extra effort needed to render his full body"

 

Right. Not like the extra effort needed to fully render Triss, or Ves completely naked.

Like male and female have equal body or something --__-- we are different and can't be treated the same way. 

[Mukora]

Like male and female have equal body or something --__-- we are different and can't be treated the same way. 

What does this even mean?

 

All I'm saying is, if you can take the effort to render a fully naked woman, you can take the same amount of effort to render a fully naked male. The only reason they didn't is either laziness, or a juvenile mindset.

[thebigbad1013]

Comments like this make me facepalm... really hard... The fact that people believe these uninformed posts is even more unsettling...

 

CDPR is by far the pioneer when it comes to romance and nudity in video games (very few developers do it to their extent). The reason you did not see Geralt naked was not because CDPR was averse to male nudity, but because TW2 would have received an AO-rating by the ESRB. It's almost a death nail to include nudity below the waist at all (male and female). So if anybody should be receiving the criticism for being biased towards female bodies, your issue should be with the ESRB, not CDPR...

 

Rockstar was able to get away with showing the male genital because they introduced it in a comedic and ridiculous fashion (another developer always pushing the boundaries). Outside of very few exceptions, most nudity you will see in games will be primarily woman exposing their breasts and buttocks. It's less of not trying to be engineers for social change and more so recognizing an AO-rating will absolutely kill sales for one's product.

 

Unless there is some sort of revelation in ESRB and they become as liberal in their views with respect to the human anatomy as some other parts of the world, don't expect any penis or vagina action in video games. At that point really, we start to blur the line between art and pure pornography anyways.

 

Nudity, maybe. But romance? I played both Witcher games and I liked both of them, but let's not forget the "brilliant" sex cards in the first game.

 

Also, maybe it's just me, but something about the line "pioneer of nudity in games" makes me laugh.

 

And also, in the spirit of keeping the thread on topic, I just want to say that I really couldn't care less if there's nudity in Inquisition or not. Has zero to do with my enjoyment of the game.

[daveliam]

Like male and female have equal body or something --__-- we are different and can't be treated the same way. 

 

I don't think Mukora meant that they would use the same bodies for Geralt and Triss.  S/he meant that it takes as much effort to render Triss fully naked as it would to render Geralt nude.  So if they took the "extra effort" to do it for Triss, they could have done it for Geralt.  Since they didn't, it suggests that it's because they didn't want to, not because they couldn't. 

 

Look, TW2 is NOT DA: I.  Let's try to focus this on DA: I.  Whenever TW2 comes up, threads get heated from both sides.

[Mukora]

Right. I apologize.

[AlanC9]

if you wanna see the peeps nekkid im sure there will be PLENTY of fan art thats why the internet exists after all

Or go play Skyrim. The modding community has done great things there. And by "great" I mean "really disturbing."

Seriously, why are so many gamers attracted to women who look like 13-year-olds? And anime 13-year-olds at that.

[ajiehb]

It isn't extra effort to render female body naked because they don't have this thingy between their legs while male characters have and you need to actually make it in polygons. And it's have no sense to do it just for 1 scene cos you will not use it for in-game model. In future maybe they will do correct anatomy body for males and we will see differences below the waist but with current technology it's not wise to do so. 

[AlanC9]

Meaning that doing the females is just a reskin since you've already got the geometry? OK, but that argument only works for full-frontal, of course.

[Battlebloodmage]

Will guys have sex with pants on? I know Geralt has that pants fetish, but my inquisitor isn't like that.

[daveliam]

Will guys have sex with pants on? I know Geralt has that pants fetish, but my inquisitor isn't like that.

 

No word on male Inquisitor behind.  But I can confirm that at least one male LI shows rear nudity in a sex scene.