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[SaitoHikari]

I'm reading through this thread and shaking my head at how it derails into a Warden VS Hawke war after just one page.

 

I personally think it's smart of the writers to leave the Warden out of Inquisition for now, trying to integrate him or her as a playable character into the main game could have turned out to be a complete mess.

 

I also think that it'd be much easier to have the Warden (or the Warden-Commander, if Ultimate Sacrifice was done) appear at the start of a potential expansion, which would be a much cleaner introduction overall. Less having to deal with sticking him or her somewhere in the web of choices in the main game, when a theoretical expansion would start things off with a clean slate.

[ManOfSteel]

I think at this point, Bioware is damned if they do and damned if they don't.  

Indeed. Nothing they do is going to please everyone. Glad they realise that, though. They should be able to tell the story they want to tell. The Warden is their character, after all. They can do what they like.

[LiliththeWolfheart]

I think what makes people most agitated is not the fact that Hawke returns, he should. But the fact that the low amount of attention the warden gets. The warden is a important character who had a impact on people as well as history. There are people who favours the warden. but bioware doesn't want to pay attention to them.

Bioware is so desperately trying to make the Dragon age universe without the warden.

There hasn't been any message or statesment to the fans saying that they pay intention and are trying to make it significant story.No dialogue from Bioware to open a discussion or showing to warden fans that they are not forgotten.

But by doing this throwing breadcrumbs and hope that is enough.....hugh

 

But that's just it: importance.  The Warden is important - during Origins.  The Dragon Age universe can exist without the Warden; implying otherwise would be a bit of a slap in the face to those who made the ultimate sacrifice, and like I said, the world of Thedas is a big place, the story should be focusing on the world and its mysteries, not the characters, otherwise, we may-as-well have a Commander Shepard each game.  The Warden may not be important now, but they proabbly will be later (particularly due to Bioware dropping hints of something being built up to), and Hawke is being used now because they are important.  And all of this is for the benefit of storytelling; what you're asking for is fanservice, and wanton fanservice was a large complaint of DA2 - in fact, many people said that the cameos made the world seem smaller than it needs to be, emphasizing my argument above.

 

And I'd just like to reiterate one of my last notes; the Warden is no longer ours.  It's Bioware's property and they know best where the story is going to lead, and it's best to play the game first before passing judgement.

[andy6915]

Am I the only one that likes both Hawke and the Warden? And I actually suspect you might be able to execute Hawke after reading this post-

 

Concerning Hawke...
 

Spoiler

We see them at Skyhold looking a little angry and forlorn, positioned far lower than the Inquisitor in the shot.
 
I'm starting to wonder, are they sitting down and having a conversation? Or are those people who hate Hawke (for some reason) actually going to get their (sadistic) wish and be able to execute him/her? We saw that we can behead people in the Choice and Consequence trailer and do something that causes Varric to rage-quit the Inquisition... perhaps this is it?

 
I hope not... but given what can happen to Leliana, I'm starting to wonder if anything is off the table here?
 

 

 

So you Hawke haters may get your wish.

[Quaddis]

I think at this point, Bioware is damned if they do and damned if they don't.  

I don't think they are, people just want that guy to be relevant in some way, and were concerned that Bioware decided to pretend that Warden does not exist. Bringing him back in some minor capacity will make most people happy, some will ofcourse be disappointed but even if game is insanely perfect there will always be a group of people bitching about something...

[Heimdall]

So much this
Just give the Warden's attention. Proper recognition. They deserve it

Why?

[TheRevanchist]

Then I guess Bioware's writers are hacks who don't know jack **** about storytelling, I suppose.

 

Why are you playing their games again?

 

Who said I was? I'm simply scouting the Forums for info about the game, and as release day approaches I am getting what info I needed.

[Heimdall]

I don't think they are, people just want that guy to be relevant in some way, and were concerned that Bioware decided to pretend that Warden does not exist. Bringing him back in some minor capacity will make most people happy, some will ofcourse be disappointed but even if game is insanely perfect there will always be a group of people bitching about something...

I just don't think some people understand that what they loved about the Warden wasn't what Bioware made, it was what they could build with it, all the stuff they couldn't possibly get into a meaningful appearance.  And I've gotta say, if they make it a minor appearance people won't be happy, they'll just start complaining about how the Warden didn't get enough screentime.

[TheRevanchist]

Indeed. Nothing they do is going to please everyone. Glad they realise that, though. They should be able to tell the story they want to tell. The Warden is their character, after all. They can do what they like.

 

I could not disagree any stronger to this mentality. I believe the fans have rights to, as the people who pay for and enjoy the work. I refuse to accept the Moriarty ME3 attitude of "Buy it and shut up or **** off". Much like how George Lucas does not have 100% rights to Star Wars, even before he sold it. 

[LiliththeWolfheart]

So much this
Just give the Warden's attention. Proper recognition. They deserve it

 

I'm hoping you don't take offense to this, but it appears you've taken this a bit too personally.  It sounds to me that you're talking about yourself and not the Warden, and this decreases the validity of your argument.  I get wanting to be recognised in-game for the things you've done, but in the end, you've presented no point as to how the Warden's recognition benefits the game.

[sylvanaerie]

I don't think they are, people just want that guy to be relevant in some way, and were concerned that Bioware decided to pretend that Warden does not exist. Bringing him back in some minor capacity will make most people happy, some will ofcourse be disappointed but even if game is insanely perfect there will always be a group of people bitching about something...

Well, considering I've seen people who are content with mention made, and other posters insisting that unless the Warden is smack dab center of the game, involved in everything, who won't be satisfied with the mention the warden is probably going to get in the game, they're pretty much damned no matter what they do.

Considering the negativity I've seen on these boards, either Bioware devs/writers have some thick skin, or consider it a win if they can please some of the people some of the time.

[LiliththeWolfheart]

I could not disagree any stronger to this mentality. I believe the fans have rights to, as the people who pay for and enjoy the work. I refuse to accept the Moriarty ME3 attitude of "Buy it and shut up or **** off". Much like how George Lucas does not have 100% rights to Star Wars, even before he sold it. 

 

Yes, but a reader does not dictate what the author writes; it's a medium of entertainment that the consumer has the choice to buy and enjoy but in the end can only get out of it what the creators put in.  

[Jaison1986]

Well, considering I've seen people who are content with mention made, and other posters insisting that unless the Warden is smack dab center of the game, involved in everything, who won't be satisfied with the mention the warden is probably going to get in the game, they're pretty much damned no matter what they do.

Considering the negativity I've seen on these boards, either Bioware devs/writers have some thick skin, or consider it a win if they can please some of the people some of the time.

 

I don't want the warden to be the center of the plot, that being said, the warden can be directly involved in major plot lines, such as the ferelden court or the old god baby.

[TheRevanchist]

I'm hoping you don't take offense to this, but it appears you've taken this a bit too personally.  It sounds to me that you're talking about yourself and not the Warden, and this decreases the validity of your argument.  I get wanting to be recognised in-game for the things you've done, but in the end, you've presented no point as to how the Warden's recognition benefits the game.

 

Ok let's see, Morrigan, who is in this game. Tells the Warden that "bad s*** is going to happen soon. and you should be ready for it" basically. Morrigan waited for them, to warn them of things to come, before leaving through the mirror. That whole DLC might as well have been called "FORESHADOWING THE DLC!".With that in mind, it seems apparent Morrigan believed the Warden could help with the coming chaos, otherwise why wait to tell them about it and give them time to prepare? Secondly, has anyone ever considered that The Warden does not HAVE to be restricted to Darkspawn stuff? They are their own person, perhaps they decided to do something about the chaos on their own, and to hell with the Wardens? 

[TheRevanchist]

Yes, but a reader does not dictate what the author writes; it's a medium of entertainment that the consumer has the choice to buy and enjoy but in the end can only get out of it what the creators put in.  

 

A Game is not a Novel, people need to stop acting like they are the same.

 

Secondly, Sherloc Holmes was in fact killed, remember? It was later changed, because he knew he would no longer make money off those books due to the backlash. Fans have rights, no matter how "wrong" some of you may think that is.

[Seryuu]

The Warden needs to play a significant role in the game because it wold be stupid to assume that he would just sit there and do nothing while the world is being destroyed, it doesn't really matter if its he is directly in the game or if its done of screen as long as it is meaningful.

[robertthebard]

I don't think they are, people just want that guy to be relevant in some way, and were concerned that Bioware decided to pretend that Warden does not exist. Bringing him back in some minor capacity will make most people happy, some will ofcourse be disappointed but even if game is insanely perfect there will always be a group of people bitching about something...

The "guy" was relevant, in Origins. In fact, w/out him, things would have gone much worse for Thedas, the actual star of the story. Bringing him back will make a lot of people angry, and not because they brought him back at all, but because his hair was the wrong color, or he said something, at all, or that he said something that "my Warden wouldn't have said". All of which comes back to my very first post in this thread. No matter how it's done, somebody will rage.

[Quaddis]

Well, considering I've seen people who are content with mention made, and other posters insisting that unless the Warden is smack dab center of the game, involved in everything, who won't be satisfied with the mention the warden is probably going to get in the game, they're pretty much damned no matter what they do.

Considering the negativity I've seen on these boards, either Bioware devs/writers have some thick skin, or consider it a win if they can please some of the people some of the time.

With good writing, and i believe that talented Bioware guys are capable of(that is why i support them even after quite a few screw ups), you can make Warden matter trough different characters, Morrigan, Alistair, Leliana, Sten, that kid you gave sword to, and he become hero himself, you can actually make a guy a presence without him getting even a 5 min of "airtime".

[Chari]

I'm hoping you don't take offense to this, but it appears you've taken this a bit too personally. It sounds to me that you're talking about yourself and not the Warden, and this decreases the validity of your argument. I get wanting to be recognised in-game for the things you've done, but in the end, you've presented no point as to how the Warden's recognition benefits the game.

The Warden if alive is an important character in the world
Not to mention the legacy. Characters which introduce us to franchises will always have higher value
Just like fans will never forget Nerevarine, Harry Potter, eh, Red etc no matter how many new protagonists will appear. These are legends, they are important by default

[Ulyces]

Did anyone consider that this mission is only an attempt to contact the Hero of Ferelden? for all we know the inqiusition can't contact him/her. Maybe they go to the circle to "scry" or something to find out where the warden is.

[robertthebard]

I don't want the warden to be the center of the plot, that being said, the warden can be directly involved in major plot lines, such as the ferelden court or the old god baby.

For a lot of people, there is no OGB. So it's every bit as relevant as it should be, not at all.

[Heimdall]

A Game is not a Novel, people need to stop acting like they are the same.

 

Secondly, Sherloc Holmes was in fact killed, remember? It was later changed, because he knew he would no longer make money off those books due to the backlash. Fans have rights, no matter how "wrong" some of you may think that is.

Uh, no, fans don't have a right to dictate what the writer creates.  They can just take his money away.  That doesn't make it a right.

[Chari]

For a lot of people, there is no OGB. So it's every bit as relevant as it should be, not at all.

Our wardens are commanders of the grey. One of the most important ranks among the wardens
Even without OGB they have a lot of job to do

[Muspade]

The Warden if alive is an important character in the world

So Is Hawke. 

*Builds firewall*

[TheRevanchist]

Uh, no, fans don't have a right to dictate what the writer creates.  They can just take his money away.  That doesn't make it a right.

 

I will simply say I disagree, completely, and leave it at that.