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[LiliththeWolfheart]

A Game is not a Novel, people need to stop acting like they are the same.

 

Secondly, Sherloc Holmes was in fact killed, remember? It was later changed, because he knew he would no longer make money off those books due to the backlash. Fans have rights, no matter how "wrong" some of you may think that is.

 

Readers have the right to buy and read a book/play a game/watch a movie, but that is all.  The creator has the ability to bend to peer pressure - as you've exemplified - but that is a choice, and some people choose not to.

 

 

[Giantdeathrobot]

A Game is not a Novel, people need to stop acting like they are the same.

 

Secondly, Sherloc Holmes was in fact killed, remember? It was later changed, because he knew he would no longer make money off those books due to the backlash. Fans have rights, no matter how "wrong" some of you may think that is.

 

Fans have as much rights as the creators are willing to give them. 

 

If the creator isn't willing to include X thing in his work, well, deal with it or leave. No creator owes anything to any fan, unless the latter were strongly misled. Since Bioware has never, ever said that the Warden would make an appearance in a future game (quite the contrary), they don't owe us anything in this regard.

[robertthebard]

Our wardens are commanders of the grey. One of the most important ranks among the wardens
Even without OGB they have a lot of job to do

What job is that again? Commanding the Grey Wardens? So, isn't it possible that, in the video we saw where we seemed to be fighting the Wardens, that we had to kill him/her there? That would be ironic, wouldn't it?

[TheRevanchist]

Fans have as much rights as the creators are willing to give them. 

 

If the creator isn't willing to include X thing in his work, well, deal with it or leave. No creator owes anything to any fan, unless the latter were strongly misled. Since Bioware has never, ever said that the Warden would make an appearance in a future game (quite the contrary), they don't owe us anything in this regard.

 

You are all entitled to your opinions, because that is all they are, much like mine.

[LiliththeWolfheart]

The Warden if alive is an important character in the world
Not to mention the legacy. Characters which introduce us to franchises will always have higher value
Just like fans will never forget Nerevarine, Harry Potter, eh, Red etc no matter how many new protagonists will appear. These are legends, they are important by default

 

I don't think you've told me how it benefits the game yet.  That is - I'm talking about Inquisition and not the Dragon Age franchise in general.  The Warden's existence, or lack thereof, is a very important factor in Thedas, but not in Inquisition.  Inquisition is it's own story right now, and I think it'd be better if the Warden didn't devolve into a Mary Sue at the behest of the players.  Perhaps a future expansion, or the next game, but let the world evolve for a bit.

[Heimdall]

The Warden if alive is an important character in the world
Not to mention the legacy. Characters which introduce us to franchises will always have higher value
Just like fans will never forget Nerevarine, Harry Potter, eh, Red etc no matter how many new protagonists will appear. These are legends, they are important by default

They are legends.  That's not the same as needing to be involved in every crisis on the continent, neither does the character that introduces the franchise necessarily have higher value.  (Case in point, your use of the Nerevarine instead of the Eternal Champion)

[Seryuu]

I don't think you've told me how it benefits the game yet.  That is - I'm talking about Inquisition and not the Dragon Age franchise in general.  The Warden's existence, or lack thereof, is a very important factor in Thedas, but not in Inquisition.  Inquisition is it's own story right now, and I think it'd be better if the Warden didn't devolve into a Mary Sue at the behest of the players.  Perhaps a future expansion, or the next game, but let the world evolve for a bit.

 

Well as i said before if alive the Warden is a influential person and as such he would not just sit there and do nothing while the world is being destroyed.

[Chari]

I don't think you've told me how it benefits the game yet. That is - I'm talking about Inquisition and not the Dragon Age franchise in general. The Warden's existence, or lack thereof, is a very important factor in Thedas, but not in Inquisition. Inquisition is it's own story right now, and I think it'd be better if the Warden didn't devolve into a Mary Sue at the behest of the players. Perhaps a future expansion, or the next game, but let the world evolve for a bit.

The world is falling apart
We are in the Fereldan
Unless your Warden is suicidal I bet they want to stop the Breach, to survive and we are in the same country
Plus we will deal with both GW and Corypheus. Asking for assistance of the Hero of Fereldan while being in Fereldan is only logical
Plus let us not pretend the Wardens deal only with the darkspawn. Our Wardens tend to deal with everything

[LiliththeWolfheart]

What job is that again? Commanding the Grey Wardens? So, isn't it possible that, in the video we saw where we seemed to be fighting the Wardens, that we had to kill him/her there? That would be ironic, wouldn't it?

 

There have actually been a few theories like that over in the Grey Warden thread.  It would be pretty interesting to find our Warden controlled by Corypheus (and solve the Warden's voice problem whilst we're at it!). 

[robertthebard]

A Game is not a Novel, people need to stop acting like they are the same.
 
Secondly, Sherloc Holmes was in fact killed, remember? It was later changed, because he knew he would no longer make money off those books due to the backlash. Fans have rights, no matter how "wrong" some of you may think that is.

Some games are every bit a novel, if the story can carry it. It's obvious, from this thread, that people are stuck in Chapter 1 of the Dragon Age novel, since they can't get over the Warden. You have the following right where game development is concerned, unless you are a game developer: To speak with your wallet, and buy or not buy. You don't even have a "right" to post on this forum. If you get a board warning, and refuse to acknowledge it, you are, effectively, banned since you can't post until you do. So really, you don't have a "right" to post here, it's a privilege that can be removed at the owner's discretion, for any, or no reason, if they so choose. The fact that Doyle caved on Holmes doesn't mean people have a right to make demands of authors, game or novel, it just means that he caved, and likely, not only to readers, but to a higher authority, a publisher.

[Giantdeathrobot]

You are all entitled to your opinions, because that is all they are, much like mine.

 

I've never said otherwise.

 

Thing is, the opinion that actually matters here, is Bioware's. They call the shot when it comes to writing. If they say no Warden, well, no Warden. We can like it and stay, we can dislike it and not buy the game is as our prerogative, but Bioware doesn't have to re-introduce the Warden to placate (parts of) the fanbase. 

 

And we're still haven't played the game. What tells us the Warden is only mentioned in one Operation anyway? 

[Red of Rivia]

If we see as a literary work or even comics,manga etc ... really,you buy, read, if you like, ok, if not, ok too. You will rarely be able to change anything in it, just because the author wants the fan and everything. But already in the case of Dragon Age,my view the proposal is another,you are able to '' change '' the fate of that world. Even if you do not agree with the attitudes of bioware does not mean you have to stop playing, you might like and criticize the work whatever it is. What I 'm saying is that we can change the course of Thedas,then at least put an end to the Warden of time, an ending that does not leave loose end for the fan wanting to stay longer. Just fits right with his story and a new direction , they are dentando do this , but for me it is weird.

[robertthebard]

There have actually been a few theories like that over in the Grey Warden thread.  It would be pretty interesting to find our Warden controlled by Corypheus (and solve the Warden's voice problem whilst we're at it!).

I hadn't seen that. I just thought it would be totally ironic to find out the Warden was in, but we're going to have to end his/her involvement in Thedas.

[TheChris92]

A person's story is not over unless the person is dead

I'm sure Ubisoft would agree with you.

[sylvanaerie]

The world is falling apart
We are in the Fereldan
Unless your Warden is suicidal I bet they want to stop the Breach, to survive and we are in the same country
Plus we will deal with both GW and Corypheus. Asking for assistance of the Hero of Fereldan while being in Fereldan is only logical
Plus let us not pretend the Wardens deal only with the darkspawn. Our Wardens tend to deal with everything

 

As in, since they are in the Enemies of Thedas trailer they may actually be antagonists we have to fight in the game?  Corypheus has the ability like the Old Gods to control those who have the taint.  Would you really want the HoF as just another nameless warden we have to slaughter?  Just because he's a former protagonist doesn't make him/her immune to the same thing affecting other wardens.

[TheRevanchist]

I've never said otherwise.

 

Thing is, the opinion that actually matters here, is Bioware's. They call the shot when it comes to writing. If they say no Warden, well, no Warden. We can like it and stay, we can dislike it and not buy the game is as our prerogative, but Bioware doesn't have to re-introduce the Warden to placate (parts of) the fanbase. 

 

And we're still haven't played the game. What tells us the Warden is only mentioned in one Operation anyway? 

 

Well, if you noticed. I personally didn't mention The Warden at all, as far as players having Rights goes. That was just a general statement. See my Witch Hunt post about the Warden.

[LiliththeWolfheart]

The world is falling apart
We are in the Fereldan
Unless your Warden is suicidal I bet they want to stop the Breach, to survive and we are in the same country
Plus we will deal with both GW and Corypheus. Asking for assistance of the Hero of Fereldan while being in Fereldan is only logical
Plus let us not pretend the Wardens deal only with the darkspawn. Our Wardens tend to deal with everything

 

Seeing as we're approaching this subject with two completely polar perspectives (you, a subjective one and mine, an objective one), how about we just call this particular argument quits and we can debate in full confidence once the game is out and we actually know what role our previous protagonists are taking?  As for now, let's just speculate as to what that quest could be.

[Chari]

As in, since they are in the Enemies of Thedas trailer they may actually be antagonists we have to fight in the game? Corypheus has the ability like the Old Gods to control those who have the taint. Would you really want the HoF as just another nameless warden we have to slaughter? Just because he's a former protagonist doesn't make him/her immune to the same thing affecting other wardens.

Well, Blackwall and, eh, moustache dude from DA2 seem to be fine
I highly doubt we will kill every warden who fell under Cory's influence

[Heimdall]

The world is falling apart
We are in the Fereldan
Unless your Warden is suicidal I bet they want to stop the Breach, to survive and we are in the same country
Plus we will deal with both GW and Corypheus. Asking for assistance of the Hero of Fereldan while being in Fereldan is only logical
Plus let us not pretend the Wardens deal only with the darkspawn. Our Wardens tend to deal with everything

And what help could the Warden be? What unique aid do they bring? Influence in Ferelden? We're probably going to meet Anora/Alistair so that's unneeded. Wardens to fight Darkspawn? We have those. So how is the HoF so specially equipped that the Inquisition would go out of their way to seek him out?

[TheRevanchist]

His name is Stroud

[Chari]

Seeing as we're approaching this subject with two completely polar perspectives (you, a subjective one and mine, an objective one), how about we just call this particular argument quits and we can debate in full confidence once the game is out and we actually know what role our previous protagonists are taking? As for now, let's just speculate as to what that quest could be.

Considering you call your point of view objective and an opposite one subjective I guess there is indeed no chance for a proper discussion

[TheRevanchist]

And what help could the Warden be? What unique aid do they bring? Influence in Ferelden? We're probably going to meet Anora/Alistair so that's unneeded. Wardens to fight Darkspawn? We have those. So how is the HoF so specially equipped that the Inquisition would go out of their way to seek him out?

 

Because he is really REALLY talented, and they would want only the best of the best. (note I am not advocating for that idea, just pointing them out)

[Chari]

His name is Stroud

The power of glorius facial hair beats any dark mindcontrolling magic

[Muspade]

The power of glorius facial hair beats any dark mindcontrolling magic

 

Inb4 he dies.

[TheRevanchist]

Also guys, confirmed, the blonde warden next to Hawke is Alistair, a screenshot of King Alistair was released. Same guy.