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[Kendaric Varkellen]

I've always felt that DA:O got it right. To be honest.

 

Hawke was a good storyline protagonist, but Hawke never felt like "me" or at least "my extension of me in Thedas".

 

That pretty much sums up my issues with Hawke vs. the Warden. Unlike the Warden, Hawke simply never felt like my character, which made it difficult to connect with him.

 

I don't even need to play my Warden again, what I'm mainly after is another storyline focused on the Grey Wardens or being able to choose being a Warden as a background for my character, as they are my main interest in Dragon Age. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Not that i complain because i didn't want to see warden but

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it is not very logical to search cure for calling when world is about being destroyed , at least i hope they don't point the warden is still with the wardens so it will leave room for every character.Aslo why even bother calling problem was solved with avernus that raised his lifespan way above human

[fivefingaslap18]

The calling to the Deep Roads is the call a Darkspawn hears to seek out the Old God I would imagine. The Darkspawn stay in the Deep Roads and have their own calling in search of awakening an Old God to become an Archdemon. The Wardens who live long enough I imagine go there to wipe out the Old God that calls them. It's when the taint has overtaken them and they are compelled to do nothing but die in the search of their leader. A Warden going into their calling kills as many Darkspawn as they can before succumbing to the taint (possibly becoming Darkspawn themselves). Removing the taint is for the best after wartime. The tenants of the order can still be upheld by former Wardens and people can walk away from the order much more simply than before. And if Wardens can be mind controlled, I see no reason why removing the taint is a bad thing in that scenario as the taint would be how they're controlled.

 

And if people are suggesting that any Warden couldn't return as a protagonist due to some people killing off their Warden... DA:O-A comes to mind... Seriously people...

[robertthebard]

Not that i complain because i didn't want to see warden but

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it is not very logical to search cure for calling when world is about being destroyed , at least i hope they don't point the warden is still with the wardens so it will leave room for every character.Aslo why even bother calling problem was solved with avernus that raised his lifespan way above human

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Firstly, Avernus used Blood Magic to extend his life. Don't take my word for it, replay the DLC, or simply search it up on youtube. Please stop deliberately misrepresenting what the potion does. Secondly, no matter how they represent the Warden, they can't represent my HoF in any possible way that has them showing up, because my HoF took the US ending, and is dead.

In short, you're not speaking for everyone, please stop pretending you represent what's best for my Warden. My Warden is dead, and she got her funeral. The Orlesian Warden is not the HoF.

[TheKomandorShepard]

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Firstly, Avernus used Blood Magic to extend his life. Don't take my word for it, replay the DLC, or simply search it up on youtube. Please stop deliberately misrepresenting what the potion does. Secondly, no matter how they represent the Warden, they can't represent my HoF in any possible way that has them showing up, because my HoF took the US ending, and is dead.

In short, you're not speaking for everyone, please stop pretending you represent what's best for my Warden. My Warden is dead, and she got her funeral. The Orlesian Warden is not the HoF.

Wow what a rage not to mention comical missing the point...

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Avernus found way to not only to remove max 30 years limitation but also way expand his lifespan way beyond human we know he used blood magic to do his experiments and potion was result of that experiments regardless of if it was potion or not as i said avernus found way to avoid calling for very long time

 

Im not speaking for anyone... If your warden is dead s/he is dead It's obvious that i was talking about warden that is alive...

[robertthebard]

Wow what a rage not to mention comical missing the point...

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Avernus found way to not only to remove max 30 years limitation but also way expand his lifespan way beyond human we know he used blood magic to do his experiments and potion was result of that experiments regardless of if it was potion or not as i said avernus found way to avoid calling for very long time

 
Im not speaking for anyone... If your warden is dead s/he is dead It's obvious that i was talking about warden that is alive...

...and misrepresenting the potion. Avernus isn't alive when you find him due to that, he's alive due to blood magic, and will tell you as much.

[Rawgrim]

Didn't he make that potion using Blood Magic?

[TheKomandorShepard]

...and misrepresenting the potion. Avernus isn't alive when you find him due to that, he's alive due to blood magic, and will tell you as much.

What... read what i said again and yes he was very alive when i found him.

 

 

Didn't he make that potion using Blood Magic?

Yep pretty much it was result of his experiments what may be how he prelonged his life for such long time or just found another way but still found way to do that.

[robertthebard]

Didn't he make that potion using Blood Magic?

I'm sure he did, but since nowhere in the playthrough where I used it did it say "You are now cured of the Taint, and will be immune to the Calling", I'm thinking that that's not what it does, despite recent claims to the contrary. In fact, curing the Taint would be counterproductive to his purpose with it, which was using the taint to gain power against demons, since they "don't understand it", roughly paraphrasing what he said.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I'm sure he did, but since nowhere in the playthrough where I used it did it say "You are now cured of the Taint, and will be immune to the Calling", I'm thinking that that's not what it does, despite recent claims to the contrary. In fact, curing the Taint would be counterproductive to his purpose with it, which was using the taint to gain power against demons, since they "don't understand it", roughly paraphrasing what he said.

Avernus never cured taint ,just avoided calling for something about 200 years what gave him much longer lifespan than humans have what is better than just to cure taint.Im pretty sure that it was result of his experiments otherwise every blood mage could do that wheter potion did that we don't know but we know that avernus did it and pretty sure you could just ask him after blight if you wanted avoid calling.

[robertthebard]

Avernus never cured taint ,just avoided calling for something about 200 years what gave him much longer lifespan than humans have what is better than just to cure taint.Im pretty sure that it was result of his experiments otherwise every blood mage could do that wheter potion did that we don't know but we know that avernus did it and pretty sure you could just ask him after blight if you wanted avoid calling.

Um, no? Not every blood mage is a grey warden, and so, not every blood mage will need to avoid the calling. As to how many of them actually extended their lives beyond normal years, we have no idea if there were none, 10, 100s or thousands. We don't know, although, we do have at least one example of it outside the Wardens, and it's been in the last two games. Care to venture a guess who it is?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Um, no? Not every blood mage is a grey warden, and so, not every blood mage will need to avoid the calling. As to how many of them actually extended their lives beyond normal years, we have no idea if there were none, 10, 100s or thousands. We don't know, although, we do have at least one example of it outside the Wardens, and it's been in the last two games. Care to venture a guess who it is?

Im pretty sure there is plenty blood mages in thedas and we know among wardens blood mages are norm assuming potion didn't do already this job it shouldn't be big deal for grey wardens now avoid it.

 

I guess you are speaking about zathrian his case was different as he was alive thanks to curse when avernus not only stayed alive but also avoided his calling without curse so it was rather matter of the taint.

[robertthebard]

Im pretty sure there is plenty blood mages in thedas and we know among wardens blood mages are norm assuming potion didn't do already this job it shouldn't be big deal for grey wardens now avoid it.
 
I guess you are speaking about zathrian his case was different as he was alive thanks to curse when avernus not only stayed alive but also avoided his calling without curse so it was rather matter of the taint.

Exactly what are you basing every Warden in Thedas having this potion on again, and, more importantly, every mage Warden being a blood mage? Wouldn't this require every Warden in Thedas to be a mage? So we're going to retcon how magic works in Thedas so that you can make your theory hold water?

How about Flemeth? Ever heard of her?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Exactly what are you basing every Warden in Thedas having this potion on again, and, more importantly, every mage Warden being a blood mage? Wouldn't this require every Warden in Thedas to be a mage? So we're going to retcon how magic works in Thedas so that you can make your theory hold water?

How about Flemeth? Ever heard of her?

At this point unless avernus was killed potion should be known by wardens simple logic... i never said every warden mage is blood mage i said blood magic is pretty much norm among wardens even joining is blood magic.This is being ridiculous you don't read what im writing you read what you want to see.

 

Flemeth is said not be even normal human/mage or abomnation not to mention that she never prolonged her life only switched bodies at least as far we know.

[dsl08002]

in my opinion I think it is a good thing to hold the warden off until making a good decision what to do with the warden.

Im a warden fan and I was slightly disappointed when they said that the warden not appearing. I hope that it will be a good story here, because sticking with the disappearing act is not a good thing to withhold.

But I try to see it as a ace in the sleeve. It could be a good thing to keep a character that is well loved, warden fans or not, alive until making a good and satisfying way to conclude it.

Because if Bioware hasn't got a good idea for a next game you can always go back to the whole saving thedas from the Blight thing because it works. That way you can go back to the roots, conclude with the characters that started the whole thing: Warden, leliana, morrigan,alistair, sten and so on.

it is a good life line.

[Br3admax]

At this point unless avernus was killed potion should be known by wardens simple logic... i never said every warden mage is blood mage i said blood magic is pretty much norm among wardens even joining is blood magic.

 

They aren't the same kind of blood magic, and blood magic is still taboo, even among Wardens. 

[Aren]

Avernus never cured taint ,just avoided calling for something about 200 years what gave him much longer lifespan than humans have what is better than just to cure taint.Im pretty sure that it was result of his experiments otherwise every blood mage could do that wheter potion did that we don't know but we know that avernus did it and pretty sure you could just ask him after blight if you wanted avoid calling.

In fact  i said multiple times that because of Avernus, Is really hard for Gaider or Bioware to find an excuse to eliminate the warden with the disease of the Taint, is impossible.  We do not need a cure from the Taint Avernus did research for  400 hundread years, he is one of the most powerful mage in Thedas, more than flemeth, he saw 2 blight he knows demon, the power of blood and the taint

[Aren]

Next time i suggest to bioware to make the US as only option even for the Inquisitor or maybe, next time we will have the same issue such as  "OH no my inquisitor, noooo i want to see him again in Dragon age 4"

[The Grinning Shark]

In fact  i said multiple times that because of Avernus, Is really hard for Gaider or Bioware to find an excuse to eliminate the warden with the disease of the Taint, is impossible.  We do not need a cure from the Taint Avernus did research for  400 hundread years, he is one of the most powerful mage in Thedas, more than flemeth, he saw 2 blight he knows demon, the power of blood and the taint

 

I enjoy reading fan theories as much as the next person, but that one statement is just silly. Flemeth isn't even human. She is on an entirely different level. One that Avernus could only dream of. Flemeth IS one of the most powerful beings in Thedas. I doubt Avernus would be counted amongst them. 

[Han Master]

Most likily will show up in a future DLC. 

[Red of Rivia]

At least we can customize the Hawke.For fans of Warden , this can be a sign that in the future ...

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[Heimdall]

I enjoy reading fan theories as much as the next person, but that one statement is just silly. Flemeth isn't even human. She is on an entirely different level. One that Avernus could only dream of. Flemeth IS one of the most powerful beings in Thedas. I doubt Avernus would be counted amongst them. 

Agreed, the guy spent 400 years trapped because he didn't have the power to take on one mediocre demon.

[TheRevanchist]

lmao, a 12 hour War Table mission for a "Hello, sorry I am busy". Real nice Bioware, thanks a bunch...

[Taleroth]

If they bring the Warden back, what then?

 

Demand it again for DA4? And DA5? And DA6? Gotta have Shale too because that's a fan favorite. And Zevran, Morrigan, Kieran. And everyone will want them to be companions. So we're going to end up with a rotating cast of everyone whose ever been in the franchise. Tevinter will be populated solely with NPCs from past games. Because hey, it doens't make any sense for (character) to retire when (insert evil of the week) are rising up ... And it never will.

 

Not until those characters are dead.

 

I'd really prefer to avoid that ending for my Warden.

[fivefingaslap18]

lmao, a 12 hour War Table mission for a "Hello, sorry I am busy". Real nice Bioware, thanks a bunch...

 

You can turn off the console and the counter will still continue. I know this as I've done this many times myself. And that was for a 24 hours one.