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[robertthebard]

If you really liked them you would understand why we don't want the Warden to become a mere worthless ghost 
And you wouldn't complain about DA:O/Warden "fanboys"

Ending the Fifth Blight in record time means that your "mere worthless ghost" can never happen. They saved a vast majority of Thedas from the Blight. 10 years ago. Since then, other events have transpired that had nothing to do with the Warden. These are the events that we dealt with in 2, and will continue to deal with in Inquisition. That's how stories work, a chapter ends, and while events may be mentioned, no author just rewrites the same chapter over and over. That chapter of the game is over, and it's time to let it go.

[Chari]

Where, in my post do you come up with "don't like the Warden"? Because I'd rather get the story we were promised, a story about Thedas, than Origins 2.0? Here's the bummer for you: AnyHoF Warden showing up in my game breaks the game, my default Warden died in Denerim, ending the Fifth Blight. There is no OGB, there is no Witch Hunt, despite the fact that I do own it, and have played it. My Canon Warden is dead. They cannot show up in my game. Hawke is not dead, there is no version of the ending of DA 2 where Hawke can be dead. Apples and Oranges, while desperately clinging to the idea that for some reason you are entitled to see the Warden. Again, we have been told that this is a story about Thedas, not the Grey Wardens, and not the Warden in particular. They are parts of a larger story. I have no idea of the context of Hawke showing up, so I don't know how I feel about it, but, I do know that forcing the HoF into my story breaks my Canon story of a dead Warden, which was, ultimately, the most satisfying ending I got.

Either you like them too much or dislike them too much, otherwise you wouldn't be so stubborn about their appearance/not-appearance

Who asked DA:O2? Me? No, I didn't. Hence, I mentioned it a couple of times or well I'd love to have such a game but I understand and accept it not being possible

You say it like you didn't play previous Bioware games in which a dead companion/important NPc is replaced with less cool placeholder double. It's not a perfect approach but we do have the Orlesian Warden who canonically takes the Warden's place and deal with the Architect. Not as epic, but still very important 

Pretty valid approach. Or maybe just don't make them appear at all, if they're dead

It's not like I demand to revive the dead Wardens, that just makes no sense

See? You're good with the Warden being nothing but dust, I am not

[ShepardsBane]

If you really liked them you would understand why we don't want the Warden to become a mere worthless ghost 

And you wouldn't complain about DA:O/Warden "fanboys" 

I am not complaining about Warden fanboys. I'm saying stop all of the stupid arguments about "they better include him in there" cause ultimately it's up to Bioware.

 

Keep complaining about the Warden not being included all you want, but it makes absolutely zero difference. I loved my Warden, I don't want him to show up in a big way though, because there is too many ways they would have to do it to satisfy everyone.

 

So, it's smart on Bioware not to include the Warden to avoid backlash because people being upset about their Warden's looks, personality, or even disliking whatever mission, or whatever he is currently doing at the moment.

 

Again, it's up to Bioware, so, what ever Bioware includes, or doesn't include, we all just need to deal with it.

[Chari]

Ending the Fifth Blight in record time means that your "mere worthless ghost" can never happen. They saved a vast majority of Thedas from the Blight. 10 years ago. Since then, other events have transpired that had nothing to do with the Warden. These are the events that we dealt with in 2, and will continue to deal with in Inquisition. That's how stories work, a chapter ends, and while events may be mentioned, no author just rewrites the same chapter over and over. That chapter of the game is over, and it's time to let it go.

Did i ask for DA:O2? No, I didn't

The truth is that though the characters may not be PCs anymore, unless they're dead, they still are the part of the world. They live, they act, they exist

Thedas is a living world which doesn't stop working once the PC stops being a PC. While Hawke dealt with mages and templars, Warden-Queen helped the Alistair to rule the country, Sten becamethe Arishok, Oghren and Felsi raised their kid (in a weird way), Shale tried to become a meatbag etc etc etc depending on the choices obviously

So unless the Warden suddenly got fatally ill they still can kick ass and be important. Untill they're dead they're part of the World

It's simply unbelievable they wouldn't try to stop demons from destroying their world

[Chari]

I am not complaining about Warden fanboys. I'm saying stop all of the stupid arguments about "they better include him in there" cause ultimately it's up to Bioware.

 

Keep complaining about the Warden not being included all you want, but it makes absolutely zero difference. I loved my Warden, I don't want him to show up in a big way though, because there is too many ways they would have to do it to satisfy everyone.

 

So, it's smart on Bioware not to include the Warden to avoid backlash because people being upset about their Warden's looks, personality, or even disliking whatever mission, or whatever he is currently doing at the moment.

 

Again, it's up to Bioware, so, what ever Bioware includes, or doesn't include, we all just need to deal with it.

It's pointless and impossible to satisfy everyone 

Creating Warden's cameo is hard and it would make some people angry. But if done correctly it would be adored and prove to people that they haven't forgotten DA:O and fans who stil lcare about it, not just new fanbase. Plus it's the lgeacy, the beginning of the franchise, the Alpha of it. It's only proper to respect sth like that

There will be a backlash either way

[WardenSoul]

The points you just cannot seem to grasp are...

1. Face.....probably easiest if you want to spend a hour or so on the character creator in the middle of the game to get a face that looks vaguely like your originial Warden.

2. Weaponry appearance....for instance my Warden warriors tended wielded to unique swords (including dual wield).

3. Armour appearance....again my Wardens always had a unique set of armour

4. Personality....impossible to recreate through character creator

5. Voice......also impossible since no voice exists apart from repeating phrases.

Why would anybody want an appearance by somebody claiming to be the Warden, who doesn't look,sound or act like the Warden. Its a total waste of time better spent elsewhere in the game.

Once again

Warden appearance = freakin impossible

Hawke appearance = simple to do

Not 'freakin impossible' just very hard to do and delicate. To the point where its not worth Biowares time.

[robertthebard]

Did i ask for DA:O2? No, I didn't
The truth is that though the characters may not be PCs anymore, unless they're dead, they still are the part of the world. They live, they act, they exist
Thedas is a living world which doesn't stop working once the PC stops being a PC. While Hawke dealt with mages and templars, Warden-Queen helped the Alistair to rule the country, Sten becamethe Arishok, Oghren and Felsi raised their kid (in a weird way), Shale tried to become a meatbag etc etc etc depending on the choices obviously
So unless the Warden suddenly got fatally ill they still can kick ass and be important. Untill they're dead they're part of the World
It's simply unbelievable they wouldn't try to stop demons from destroying their world

Which is why they should have killed the Warden off in Origins. Which is why, since they didn't do it, they should have let the "more than a passing mention" be noting that the Warden did indeed come down with a fatal case of "Calling", and is now dead.

[Chari]

Which is why they should have killed the Warden off in Origins. Which is why, since they didn't do it, they should have let the "more than a passing mention" be noting that the Warden did indeed come down with a fatal case of "Calling", and is now dead.

Surrrreee

Let's kill the Warden and **** up everyone who actually cares about them

Let's destroy choice in the RPG which is about choices

You don't give a damn about the Warden and I'm glad they don't listen to folk like you

Also, the Calling doesn't kill a warden

[ShepardsBane]

It's pointless and impossible to satisfy everyone 

Creating Warden's cameo is hard and it would make some people angry. But if done correctly it would be adored and prove to people that they haven't forgotten DA:O and fans who stil lcare about it, not just new fanbase. Plus it's the lgeacy, the beginning of the franchise, the Alpha of it. It's only proper to respect sth like that

There will be a backlash either way

Exactly, so it goes both ways. So, Bioware is pretty much choosing to go with the lesser of two evils since there will be backlash if they include the warden or if they don't.

 

IMO, not including the Warden at all and having people be mad, is safer then including the Warden and have a large number of people saying BW ruined the Warden.

 

And stop acting like your speaking for all people that care about this series. As a person who has loved the series since 2009, I disagree with you on almost every point you've tried to make and I don't feel disrespected by BW in the slightest if they don't include the Warden in the game.

[earl of the north]

Maybe if you use actually solid points I will listen to you, but it seems you can only insult other people, disregard their explanation and reuse the old and the same made up "proofs" while ignoring actual discussion

It is the Warden. While we do sure have a certain power over them, they still belong to Bioware and there is still some level of canon we can not and should not control. Like weapons and armour - it just doesn't matter. Hawke can have different appearance, different weapons and different armour. So can the Warden. Hence every and all Wardens which are still the part of the Order will wear the default armour, like it or not - your opinion doesn't really matter

It is like demanding Bioware to also pay attention to the mods

The only and only real problem is the voice - everything else can be dealt with

Everyone would recognise the Warden - the armour, the race, the looks (heck, if we would be able to recreate them Hell yeah we would recognize them)

If you don't want to see the Warden reappear because it wouldn't be "perfect" enough for you - it's your problem

I guess since you can't come up with actually important and real points for this discussion, there is no point in arguing. Frankly, it seems like a waste of my time

 

How would you recognise The Warden?

 

Would he be wearing a 'I'm the hero of Fereldan medallion', would he be followed round by a grey warden with a placard saying 'I'm with the hero of Fereldan'?

 

If the Warden is not a recognisable character (and minus any voice, face, trademark armour or weapon he/she is just a generic Grey Warden) then any unnamed Grey Warden in the game could be The Warden.

 

All I have done is point out why The Warden isn't getting a cameo in DAI, sorry about that.

 

Generic Hawke, like him or not is recognisable, Generic Warden is not remotely recognisable as anything other than a Grey Warden. 

[Chari]

Exactly, so it goes both ways. So, Bioware is pretty much choosing to go with the lesser of two evils since there will be backlash if they include the warden or if they don't.

 

IMO, not including the Warden at all and having people be mad, is safer then including the Warden and have a large number of people saying BW ruined the Warden.

 

And stop acting like your speaking for all people that care about this series. As a person who has loved the series since 2009, I disagree with you on almost every point you've tried to make and I don't feel disrespected by BW in the slightest if they don't include the Warden in the game.

IMO, the risk would be worth it

At least giving sth more than a single agent mission 

Because you act aggressively towards fans who want the Warden back I really don't see a reason to act nicely towards you

 

 

How would you recognise The Warden?

 

Would he be wearing a 'I'm the hero of Fereldan medallion', would he be followed round by a grey warden with a placard saying 'I'm with the hero of Fereldan'?

 

If the Warden is not a recognisable character (and minus any voice, face, trademark armour or weapon he/she is just a generic Grey Warden) then any unnamed Grey Warden in the game could be The Warden.

 

All I have done is point out why The Warden isn't getting a cameo in DAI, sorry about that.

Because the Warden would look just like my Warden, wear warden armour and have the same class my HoF has? Who else could it be? An evil clone? A lost twin? Really

 

Oh come one

Repeat after me:

 

IF we were going to have one of your previous characters appear, we would absolutely give you a chance to change his or her look.

IF we were going to have one of your previous characters appear, we would absolutely give you a chance to change his or her look.

IF we were going to have one of your previous characters appear, we would absolutely give you a chance to change his or her look.

IF we were going to have one of your previous characters appear, we would absolutely give you a chance to change his or her look.

© Mike Laidlaw

Voice wouldn't matter or it could be not used at all

And I don't expect any of my Wardens to wear the same gear they found 10+ years ago

 

Your points are pretty weak and I'm not the only who pointed that out. Pretty much only the voice and "personality" have actual value

[robertthebard]

Surrrreee
Let's kill the Warden and **** up everyone who actually cares about them
Let's destroy choice in the RPG which is about choices
You don't give a damn about the Warden and I'm glad they don't listen to folk like you
Also, the Calling doesn't kill a warden

Destroy what choices, exactly? Did you choose to not partake of the Joining, and therefore aren't subject to your calling? Well, that can't be it, since it's sort of a required element, if you're going to be a Warden. So, no choices butchered there. If there had never been a choice to do the DR, you can't destroy that, since it wasn't there to begin with, it really can't be destroyed, you cannot destroy something that didn't exist.

Wait, you want to bring the Warden back, and you want to take me to task about my opinion, and you don't even know what the Calling is? The calling does indeed result in the Warden's death, since they go to the Deeproads and fight Darkspawn until they, you guessed it, die. You are right, however. I no longer give a damn about the Warden. I am now focused on the Inquisitor's role in the story that we've been promised since nearly the beginning; the story of Thedas. You are free to hold onto whatever you like, but by dismissing other games because "no Warden", you are the one that's missing out. Enjoy your misery, you're not alone. Those of us that are ready to move on, will do so w/out you.

[Chari]

Destroy what choices, exactly? Did you choose to not partake of the Joining, and therefore aren't subject to your calling? Well, that can't be it, since it's sort of a required element, if you're going to be a Warden. So, no choices butchered there. If there had never been a choice to do the DR, you can't destroy that, since it wasn't there to begin with, it really can't be destroyed, you cannot destroy something that didn't exist.

Wait, you want to bring the Warden back, and you want to take me to task about my opinion, and you don't even know what the Calling is? The calling does indeed result in the Warden's death, since they go to the Deeproads and fight Darkspawn until they, you guessed it, die. You are right, however. I no longer give a damn about the Warden. I am now focused on the Inquisitor's role in the story that we've been promised since nearly the beginning; the story of Thedas. You are free to hold onto whatever you like, but by dismissing other games because "no Warden", you are the one that's missing out. Enjoy your misery, you're not alone. Those of us that are ready to move on, will do so w/out you.

I guess I do know more about the calling than you do O_o

 

The calling is pretty much th taint starting to take over the body. It is not fatal but it pretty much is a process of becoming a ghoul. Funny thing even the wardens themselves don't always seem to know this happens

The calling is usually the time when instead of losing their mind a warden decides to go to the Deep Roads to kill as many darkspawns as they can before dying. Instead of becoming a ghoul

During the DA:O we meet Avernus who (if given enough resources) can experiment with the taint. Plus there is Architect who can control the taint in wardens' bodies (Utah became a ghoul but didn't lose her mind thank to him). We can work with the Architect

Combine these two, work with them both and I'm pretty sure a solution to losing one's mind can be found. At least in order to postpone it

 

O_o

Wat?

I dismissed other games for no having the Warden? 

Do you always think that people "hate" games just because they critisize them? A fan which can not critisize a game, especially a favourite, is a pretty bad fan

[earl of the north]

IMO, the risk would be worth it

At least giving sth more than a single agent mission 

Because you act aggressively towards fans who want the Warden back I really don't see a reason to act nicely towards you

 

 

Because the Warden would look just like my Warden, wear warden armour and have the same class my HoF has? Who else could it be? An evil clone? A lost twin? Really

 

Oh come one

Repeat after me:

© Mike Laidlaw

Voice wouldn't matter or it could be not used at all

And I don't expect any of my Wardens to wear the same gear they found 10+ years ago

 

Your points are pretty weak and I'm not the only who pointed that out. Pretty much only the voice and "personality" have actual value

 

Who else could it be?

 

Hmmmmmm   maybe......well maybe....yes! it could be a Grey Warden.

 

Hell using that as an example Blackwall looks like one of my Wardens, he's a warrior and he's wearing Warden armour he must be The Warden.

 

You can't have a cameo if nobody knows who he/she is supposed to be, yes they could have stuck a generic GW in a cameo, let us change the face and say well that The Warden........image the butthurt avalanche that would have brought down upon us.....the horror. 

 

Personally I've Thirty Three Wardens so i'd have to go back to the Keep to find out what many of them looked like, Generic Hawke on the other hand...........

[robertthebard]

I guess I do know more about the calling than you do O_o
 
The calling is pretty much th taint starting to take over the body. It is not fatal but it pretty much is a process of becoming a ghoul. Funny thing even the wardens themselves don't always seem to know this happens
The calling is usually the time when instead of losing their mind a warden decides to go to the Deep Roads to kill as many darkspawns as they can before dying. Instead of becoming a ghoul
During the DA:O we meet Avernus who (if given enough resources) can experiment with the taint. Plus there is Architect who can control the taint in wardens' bodies (Utah became a ghoul but didn't lose her mind thank to him). We can work with the Architect
Combine these two, work with them both and I'm pretty sure a solution to losing one's mind can be found. At least in order to postpone it
 
O_o
Wat?
I dismissed other games for no having the Warden? 
Do you always think that people "hate" games just because they critisize them? A fan which can not critisize a game, especially a favourite, is a pretty bad fan

I guess you're right, the Calling doesn't kill Grey Wardens, what was I thinking? They just allow themselves to become ghouls, and go rampage the country side until some hero comes and beats 'em into oblivion.

Make it happen BioWare, this is exactly how you could bring the Warden back. Full on Ghoul, that the Inquisitor will have to kill. Kills two birds with one stone, gets rid of the Warden, and allows him/her to show up in game, thus alleviating all the "When do we see the Warden in a game again" threads.

[ShepardsBane]

I was not being aggressive, I was just stating my opinion. You want the Warden to be in the game, along with a lot of other people. I don't, along with several others.

 

At the end of the day, it matters what Bioware's opinion is on the matter. For this game, they've stated the Warden wouldn't appear. So, the discussion should be over at this point, yet, it still carries on....

[Chari]

Who else could it be?

 

Hmmmmmm   maybe......well maybe....yes! it could be a Grey Warden.

 

Hell using that as an example Blackwall looks like one of my Wardens and he's wearing Warden armour he must be The Warden.

 

You can't have a cameo if nobody knows who he/she is supposed to be, yes they could have stuck a generic GW in a cameo, let us change the face and say well that The Warden........image the butthurt avalance that would have brought down upon us.....the horror.

Blackwall's appearance doesn't change no matter what

The Warden's would change and just like Hawke's we would notice if a CC poped out and asked us to recreate our Warden (probably this will happen to Hawke)

It's a bit biazzre, but possible

 

Expecting Bioware to fill any PC or NPC with headcanons is rather silly. Hawke's quest is probably hardly than a couple of battles long. We meet Hawke, we beat the monster, they leave

Pretty neutral, pretty satisfying

[Chari]

I guess you're right, the Calling doesn't kill Grey Wardens, what was I thinking? They just allow themselves to become ghouls, and go rampage the country side until some hero comes and beats 'em into oblivion.

Make it happen BioWare, this is exactly how you could bring the Warden back. Full on Ghoul, that the Inquisitor will have to kill. Kills two birds with one stone, gets rid of the Warden, and allows him/her to show up in game, thus alleviating all the "When do we see the Warden in a game again" threads.

Utah and Larius don't look so bad. And it took them many years to become this way

So you do hate the Warden just a expected 

 

 

I was not being aggressive, I was just stating my opinion. You want the Warden to be in the game, along with a lot of other people. I don't, along with several others.

 

At the end of the day, it matters what Bioware's opinion is on the matter. For this game, they've stated the Warden wouldn't appear. So, the discussion should be over at this point, yet, it still carries on....

We're pretty disappointed hence we complain. That's okay, that's not illegal

Even when we act like asses we usually don't attack people who like Hawke. We just express our dislike of Hawke. But in the end we get treated like freaks and crazy mob for liking and missing that one Hero/ine who introduced us to the world of Thedas

Sadly

[Red of Rivia]

I CAN NOT BELIEVE D :

yield despite being happy with the news ... I still have my doubts if I will see my Warden ; - ;

[robertthebard]

Utah and Larius don't look so bad. And it took them many years to become this way
So you do hate the Warden just a expected

Really? This is what you're going to go with? This is my new grand idea to deal with the Warden, and I kinda like it. Force those that actually still have one to kill them in Inquisition, and everyone gets what they want.
 
 

We're pretty disappointed hence we complain. That's okay, that's not illegal
Even when we act like asses we usually don't attack people who like Hawke. We just express our dislike of Hawke. But in the end we get treated like freaks and crazy mob for liking and missing that one Hero/ine who introduced us to the world of Thedas
Sadly

Why are you upset? We were told before DA2 that the Warden's story is over. We've been told repeatedly, in response to threads just like this one, that the Warden's story is over. We've told that people that are upset are upset because of their own expectations, no matter how unreasonable, that the Warden was really going to show up. You see, this is what drives me to drinking about these threads; they've told us over and over that it's not going to happen, and yet, here we are, going on and on about "but it should". BioWare is under the impression that it shouldn't. I got used to that idea a long time ago. It's time to let it go, and move on.

[Chari]

Really? This is what you're going to go with? This is my new grand idea to deal with the Warden, and I kinda like it. Force those that actually still have one to kill them in Inquisition, and everyone gets what they want.
 

Why are you upset? We were told before DA2 that the Warden's story is over. We've been told repeatedly, in response to threads just like this one, that the Warden's story is over. We've told that people that are upset are upset because of their own expectations, no matter how unreasonable, that the Warden was really going to show up. You see, this is what drives me to drinking about these threads; they've told us over and over that it's not going to happen, and yet, here we are, going on and on about "but it should". BioWare is under the impression that it shouldn't. I got used to that idea a long time ago. It's time to let it go, and move on.

Well, you hate the Warden so I don't really consider your opinion of any importance, so...

Hate the First and Alpha hero of DA series as much as you want

Because the more you will treat them like **** the more people like me will love them 

And as I said before, no story is over until a person is dead

[robertthebard]

Well, you hate the Warden so I don't really consider your opinion of any importance, so...
Hate the First and Alpha hero of DA series as much as you want
Because the more you will treat them like **** the more people like me will love them 
And as I said before, no story is over until a person is dead

...and my solution does accomplishes just that, they're dead, and can finally be laid to rest. Congratulations?

[TheRevanchist]

lol...Bioware...an Advisor mission? really? Sadly I am not surprised...

[Heimdall]

Blackwall's appearance doesn't change no matter what

The Warden's would change and just like Hawke's we would notice if a CC poped out and asked us to recreate our Warden (probably this will happen to Hawke)

It's a bit biazzre, but possible

 

Expecting Bioware to fill any PC or NPC with headcanons is rather silly. Hawke's quest is probably hardly than a couple of battles long. We meet Hawke, we beat the monster, they leave

Pretty neutral, pretty satisfying

Spoiler

Actually, I saw a recent screenshot of Hawke standing in what looks to be the Skyhold

[dsl08002]

Why are you upset? We were told before DA2 that the Warden's story is over. We've been told repeatedly, in response to threads just like this one, that the Warden's story is over. We've told that people that are upset are upset because of their own expectations, no matter how unreasonable, that the Warden was really going to show up. You see, this is what drives me to drinking about these threads; they've told us over and over that it's not going to happen, and yet, here we are, going on and on about "but it should". BioWare is under the impression that it shouldn't. I got used to that idea a long time ago. It's time to let it go, and move on.

It WAS over then the poorly executed ending of DA2 ruined it by bringing the warden back into the storyline. intentionally or not Bioware brought the warden back into the story. And any statesment from Bioware regarding that subject sounds like excuses, for their own **** up.