It WAS over then the poorly executed ending of DA2 ruined it by bringing the warden back into the storyline. intentionally or not Bioware brought the warden back into the story. And any statesment from Bioware regarding that subject sounds like excuses, for their own **** up.
No, everyone who believes Witch Hunt is a proper ending to a character (romance or no), knows jack **** about story telling in my frank opinion.
lol...Bioware...an Advisor mission? really? Sadly I am not surprised...
I'm actually pretty stoked to order people about on my business.
No, everyone who believes Witch Hunt is a proper ending to a character (romance or no), knows jack **** about story telling in my frank opinion.
Well, you hate the Warden so I don't really consider your opinion of any importance, so...
Hate the First and Alpha hero of DA series as much as you want
Because the more you will treat them like **** the more people like me will love them
And as I said before, no story is over until a person is dead
So... Harry Potter isn't over? Lord of the Rings isn't over? *Insert every story ever that doesn't end with the hero's death* isn't over?
The thing is, you love a template, not a character. Hawke is actually a character, with some wiggle room for the player to work out the details (Geralt, from the Witcher, is similar, though more defined). The Warden is a template, a foundation for the Player to build off of. And by the very nature of that template, they can't accurately reflect that 75% of the character you built, the part you love. To try would only invite rage, ceaseless complaining, with painfully low chance of any payoff. To avoid this, they could have a non-interacting visual cameo from a distance, but at that point is it really worth it?
Blackwall's appearance doesn't change no matter what
The Warden's would change and just like Hawke's we would notice if a CC poped out and asked us to recreate our Warden (probably this will happen to Hawke)
It's a bit biazzre, but possible
Expecting Bioware to fill any PC or NPC with headcanons is rather silly. Hawke's quest is probably hardly than a couple of battles long. We meet Hawke, we beat the monster, they leave
Pretty neutral, pretty satisfying
Exactly and it works because Generic Hawke is recognisable as Hawke, The Warden isn't so they would have had to put more work into getting him into the game without rousing the ire of large numbers of DAO players.
Personally I'd be happy if The Warden was an NPC in the game, but he isn't and Bioware's reasoning why is sound as to why he isn't. As I wrote earlier we don't know how often or it what way The Warden will be used in DAI, he/she could be an important asset on the war table or be barely mentioned. I'd expect since the game is set partly in Fereldan and we have quests dealing with the Grey Wardens we will have dealings with The Warden.
The Warden 's story is not over,after all do not know why he disappeared and Bioware hinted that the disappearance of Hawke and the Warden is on. Rumors that we could change the Hawke appeared in this new game,why not do the same with the Warden? or at least give him a dignified end. If his story is really just going to be a disappointment to me , after all the personal somehow is mine.
I'm actually pretty stoked to order people about on my business.
Yes, those missions are cool. But relegating the HoF to one of these? It's just sad, imo.
DG said that the HoF presence would be more than passing but if THIS is what he meant 
.........
I have infinite respect for DG and admire his storytelling. But If this is what he meant, then from this day forward, im going to assume that anything coming out of His mouth is pure BS.
DG said that the HoF presence would be more than passing but if THIS is what he meant
I have infinite respect for DG and admire his storytelling. But If this is what he meant, then from this day forward, im going to assume that anything coming out of His mouth is pure BS.
Well at this point we don't know what the HoF's presence will be in the game, it could be much larger than we are thinking.
Should probably do that anyways. Seriously. Look back on the ME3 Marketing.
I'm quite happy with what we're getting to be honest. Addressing those who believe that Hawke is getting an unfair amount of treatment: If it's any consolation, it's likely that Hawke'd have just as small a role as the Warden if it weren't for the fact that the Exalted March expansion is being integrated into Inquisition.
And I wouldn't mind if we'd only get a letter, or resources; the world is a BIG place, and last I checked, Wardens don't have a lot to do with demons unless a Blight's involved (and, last I checked, the Wardens were acting all reclusive, going about some shady "important" business; little contact with the Warden would come as no surprise); furthermore, there's already so much stuff going on in Inquisition that a Warden cameo should be the last of anyone's complaints. Speaking of, if there's anything people would hate more than a cameo, it would be a pointless cameo - just look at the reactions to Alistair's random appearance in DA2.
As for the "My Warden" argument being held above, I'm sorry to say this, but the Warden and Hawke are no longer our possessions. As superfluous as it is, this is like borrowing a friends toy and playing with it, only to snatch it away when they ask for it back, insisting that it's yours. Both of our PCs are Bioware's property, to do what they want with, devs have repeatedly assured that the Warden and Hawke no longer belong to us. I apologise if you feel offended because of this.
I just wonder if all wardens will have the same "cameo".
What about the Wardens who went into the mirror with Morrigan? (like me)
What about Wardens who married Alistair?
I just can't see them all having the same scenario.
I'm quite happy with what we're getting to be honest. Addressing those who believe that Hawke is getting an unfair amount of treatment: If it's any consolation, it's likely that Hawke'd have just as small a role as the Warden if it weren't for the fact that the Exalted March expansion is being integrated into Inquisition.
I think they already said that Hawke will play a major role.
There's no way Bioware can win at that, anyway.
If the Warden gets no mention ''OMG you forgot him/her and personally hate anyone who's ever played Origins!!''
If the Warden is mentioned but not seen ''OMG we didn't we see the Warden? Operations and second-hand accounts aren't enough!!''
If we see the Warden: ''OMG the Warden didn't start pickpocketing and muderknifing everything in sight like MY Warden would! Ruined FOREVER!!''
To say nothing of the technical difficulties of having the Warden appear. Class, race, appearance, personality, voice, equipment, everything about the Warden is a blank slate, unlike Hawke which has everything nailed down in the Keep save their appearance. Properly implementing them would take up a ton of ressources, and what for? Pure fanservice? The writers have said the Warden's story is over, so it's over. We don't need to know the details of their post-Blight life.
Plus, let's at least play the game before declaring the Warden is relegated to a single side-mission and that David Gaider is laughing his ass at us because of that. As far we know they could could be fairly regular correspondents with the Inquisitor, helping out in whatever ways they can at a distance. Would actually be fairly cool, I think. Combine that with the fact we have DA:O NPCs around, I'm pretty sure we'll get news about the Warden, without meeting him/her.
Oh, and on top of that; please don't go harassing the devs, whatever you believe. They've spent nearly four years busting their humps trying to make a game that people will enjoy, and the reviews so far have been, so far, positive. Tearing them apart for a tiny, insignificant peeve that you have is just disrespectful.
I think they already said that Hawke will play a major role.
Yeah... because of Exalted March, I think, though they might have expanded the role if they thought Hawke was more significant :/
LOL
Hawke is a failure. I swear every time me and my cousin bring him up it's to laugh at him. It's cool if you like the character; just realize it's an acquired taste.
Well, a silent husk is pretty much an acquired taste for many too.
Personally, I think it's up to the player to make the protagonists awesome or not, I love my warden and hawke but I dunno about everyone else's, those might be completely unlikable to me.
(note that to me awesomeness isn't really related to whether a character is successful or not)
Even if its single mission, i personally don't care, if he is not offed in this game, that means that my friendly neighborhood Warden somewhere down the line will have major role and that is awesome.
But if Warden is offed, considering his particular set of skills, he will go down in a way that would make Jack Bauer look like sissy, and that i wouldn't mind. Also...lots of statues...big and pretty ones...
Anyways, I am very glad that his story is not finished just because Bioware is done with "silent protagonists".
There's no way Bioware can win at that, anyway.
If the Warden gets no mention ''OMG you forgot him/her and personally hate anyone who's ever played Origins!!''
If the Warden is mentioned but not seen ''OMG we didn't we see the Warden? Operations and second-hand accounts aren't enough!!''
If we see the Warden: ''OMG the Warden didn't start pickpocketing and muderknifing everything in sight like MY Warden would! Ruined FOREVER!!''
To say nothing of the technical difficulties of having the Warden appear. Class, race, appearance, personality, voice, equipment, everything about the Warden is a blank slate, unlike Hawke which has everything nailed down in the Keep save their appearance. Properly implementing them would take up a ton of ressources, and what for? Pure fanservice? The writers have said the Warden's story is over, so it's over. We don't need to know the details of their post-Blight life.
Plus, let's at least play the game before declaring the Warden is relegated to a single side-mission and that David Gaider is laughing his ass at us because of that. As far we know they could could be fairly regular correspondents with the Inquisitor, helping out in whatever ways they can at a distance. Would actually be fairly cool, I think. Combine that with the fact we have DA:O NPCs around, I'm pretty sure we'll get news about the Warden, without meeting him/her.
No, it absolutely is not. If ANYONE (Bioware included) believes what they have provided is sufficient enough to consider a character story "Over". Then they know NOTHING about proper writing.
I'm quite happy with what we're getting to be honest. Addressing those who believe that Hawke is getting an unfair amount of treatment: If it's any consolation, it's likely that Hawke'd have just as small a role as the Warden if it weren't for the fact that the Exalted March expansion is being integrated into Inquisition.
And I wouldn't mind if we'd only get a letter, or resources; the world is a BIG place, and last I checked, Wardens don't have a lot to do with demons unless a Blight's involved (and, last I checked, the Wardens were acting all reclusive, going about some shady "important" business; little contact with the Warden would come as no surprise); furthermore, there's already so much stuff going on in Inquisition that a Warden cameo should be the last of anyone's complaints. Speaking of, if there's anything people would hate more than a cameo, it would be a pointless cameo - just look at the reactions to Alistair's random appearance in DA2.
As for the "My Warden" argument being held above, I'm sorry to say this, but the Warden and Hawke are no longer our possessions. As superfluous as it is, this is like borrowing a friends toy and playing with it, only to snatch it away when they ask for it back, insisting that it's yours. Both of our PCs are Bioware's property, to do what they want with, devs have repeatedly assured that the Warden and Hawke no longer belong to us. I apologise if you feel offended because of this.
Oh, and on top of that; please don't go harassing the devs, whatever you believe. They've spent nearly four years busting their humps trying to make a game that people will enjoy, and the reviews so far have been, so far, positive. Tearing them apart for a tiny, insignificant peeve that you have is just disrespectful.
Most reviews seem to indicate the main plot is somewhat lackluster. If true, I suspect Bioware simply spent most of these 4 years on their almighty combat system that they keep putting up in a spotlight.
So much thisI think what makes people most agitated is not the fact that Hawke returns, he should. But the fact that the low amount of attention the warden gets. The warden is a important character who had a impact on people as well as history. There are people who favours the warden. but bioware doesn't want to pay attention to them.
Bioware is so desperately trying to make the Dragon age universe without the warden.
There hasn't been any message or statesment to the fans saying that they pay intention and are trying to make it significant story.No dialogue from Bioware to open a discussion or showing to warden fans that they are not forgotten.
But by doing this throwing breadcrumbs and hope that is enough.....hugh
I think what makes people most agitated is not the fact that Hawke returns, he should. But the fact that the low amount of attention the warden gets. The warden is a important character who had a impact on people as well as history. There are people who favours the warden. but bioware doesn't want to pay attention to them.
Bioware is so desperately trying to make the Dragon age universe without the warden.
There hasn't been any message or statesment to the fans saying that they pay intention and are trying to make it significant story.No dialogue from Bioware to open a discussion or showing to warden fans that they are not forgotten.
But by doing this throwing breadcrumbs and hope that is enough.....hugh
This annoyed me a lot. If he survived, that guy is Warden-Commander of Ferelden and Arl of Amaranthine, extremely bad ass and influential figure. In my "cannon" he is also a King of Ferelden, father of the God-child and lost love of Witch of the Wilds. If you are doing save imports and adjusting games accordingly it does not have any sense for this guy not at least throw a cameo or be some behind the scene guy.
I think at this point, Bioware is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
No, it absolutely is not. If ANYONE (Bioware included) believes what they have provided is sufficient enough to consider a character story "Over". Then they know NOTHING about proper writing.
Then I guess Bioware's writers are hacks who don't know jack **** about storytelling, I suppose.
Why are you playing their games again?
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