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[LordParbr]

 Who else read "Raping An Atheist Dalish" - ?

 

Every one.

Yeah, I know what it is, but I still always accidentally read it that way first

[mikeymoonshine]

 Both "agnostic" and "atheist" are in general usage short-hand for what is properly described as agnostic atheist, with minor differences in nuance at most. The discovery of the scientific method that you can't prove a negative eliminated most gnostic atheists (no matter how much "atheists"-hating self-proclaimed "agnostics" may like to claim otherwise), provided they ever even existed in notable numbers to begin with, the masses whose contact with religion is limited to weddings, funerals etc. and having a denomination recorded in their passport because "That's just what you do, I don't know ... better to be save than sorry." are IMHO best described as agnostic theists, and gnostic theists are those "true believers" that weird me out at best and scare the **** out of me at worst.

 

Different people use the word agnostic to mean different things. I am not going to say someone can't be genuinely undecided when it comes to what they believe because I don't have access to the minds of everyone on the planet. Claiming that these people are just atheists in denial is a pointless endeavor, let them define themselves as they wish. The best we can do is make it clear that atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive.

 

The "you can't prove a negative" line is not really part of the scientific method, it's more of a a philosophical standpoint that is in dispute. Some argue that you can in fact prove a negative in some cases, for example finding a logical contradiction within a claim would prove that claim false. Either way it's much easier to find positive proof than negative proof and it really depends on the claim, an untestable claim like "god" cannot be proven false scientifically. 

[LordParbr]

Different people use the word agnostic to mean different things. I am not going to say someone can't be genuinely undecided when it comes to what they believe because I don't have access to the minds of everyone on the planet. Claiming that these people are just atheists in denial is a pointless endeavor, let them define themselves as they wish. The best we can do is make it clear that atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive.

 

The "you can't prove a negative" line is not really part of the scientific method, it's more of a a philosophical standpoint that is in dispute. Some argue that you can in fact prove a negative in some cases, for example finding a logical contradiction within a claim would prove that claim false. Either way it's much easier to find positive proof than negative proof and it really depends on the claim, an untestable claim like "god" cannot be proven false scientifically. 

We can't allow language to operate this way. It renders words useless.

[Mercedes-Benz]

There is no such thing as an atheist Dalish, just like there is no such thing as an atheist Amish, belief in the Creators is the very foundation of being Dalish. remove it and you aren't Dalish, you are just an atheist Elf wandering the woods alone.

[Sully13]

Um ballo*ks.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=X3Zt3YlImNc

http://en.wikipedia..../Jewish_atheism

jewdisem is both a culture and a religion you can be a jewish athiest.

im scottish and a teatotaler... i also ate a quiche once. 

[LordParbr]

Um ballo*ks.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=X3Zt3YlImNc

http://en.wikipedia..../Jewish_atheism

jewdisem is both a culture and a religion you can be a jewish athiest.

im scottish and a teatotaler... i also ate a quiche once. 

heretic

[Sully13]

Oi as long as i shag sheep i get to be scottish

[LordParbr]

Oi as long as i shag sheep i get to be scottish

Ah, well, that's fine then.

EDIT: So long as we're all adhering to our national stereotypes

[Sully13]

exactly my point.

go tell Albert Einstein and Woody Allen they arn't Athiests.

Simply because someone was raised in group x and affiliates whith culture x dose not maen thet have to the religion of x.

Example Lisa Simpson was raised Prodestant her family are for the most fairly big beleavers.. kind of. 

but Lisa was semi Agnostic. and found Budhism. i hear she may even become an Atheist in future episods.

[mikeymoonshine]

We can't allow language to operate this way. It renders words useless.

 

Language changes based on how words are used and no I am not saying you can just use words in whatever way you wish and that those uses should be recognized by everyone. I am saying that agnostic has more than one definition and so it can be used several different ways, many words are like this. 

[CrazyMooNew]

Hmm...

 

Well...Dwarves could be a good example I suppose. Instead of worshiping deities in the sky they worship dwarven paragons and the earth itself. Elves have all but forgotten their old gods except for Fan'rael (spelled wrong I'm sure)...but even that he has been reduced to a more story related role. The Chantry believes in the Maker...but he's basically gone...

 

I think being an atheist in the setting of Dragon Age would be incredibly hard...seeing as how there is magic, demons and darkspawn...it would be difficult to claim there are no gods...but an agnostic elf? Yeah...that would probably be your best bet...and not worshiping or caring could also help your rp out... or...seeing as how the gods no longer seem to have a role outside of an opiate of the masses kind of thing...maybe believing that they no longer exist and questioning if they ever did would be a Dragon Age kind of atheism.

 

But honestly...you're playing as the Herald of Andraste...so something tells me that all of this will be flipped end over end by the end of the prologue...but I could be wrong...I just don't see anyone reallly being an atheist in the Dragon Age universe, because...much like the real world...there needed to be someone who questioned it...who sought out the reason for life and the complexity of nature outside of some divine intervention...for us that was Darwin, and before Darwin...there weren't very many people who didn't believe in some higher power...99% of the world was most likely theist. The same could probably be said for Dragon Age...they haven't had their Darwin yet.

[Vilegrim]

But honestly...you're playing as the Herald of Andraste...so something tells me that all of this will be flipped end over end by the end of the prologue...but I could be wrong...I just don't see anyone reallly being an atheist in the Dragon Age universe, because...much like the real world...there needed to be someone who questioned it...who sought out the reason for life and the complexity of nature outside of some divine intervention...for us that was Darwin, and before Darwin...there weren't very many people who didn't believe in some higher power...99% of the world was most likely theist. The same could probably be said for Dragon Age...they haven't had their Darwin yet.

 

I have asked multiple times for someone to say how much we can oppose the chantry, but apart from a few snarky lines in a preview video I have recieved no answer, it is literally a buy/not buy question for me, so can anyone provide an answer?

[LordParbr]

Hmm...

 

Well...Dwarves could be a good example I suppose. Instead of worshiping deities in the sky they worship dwarven paragons and the earth itself. Elves have all but forgotten their old gods except for Fan'rael (spelled wrong I'm sure)...but even that he has been reduced to a more story related role. The Chantry believes in the Maker...but he's basically gone...

 

I think being an atheist in the setting of Dragon Age would be incredibly hard...seeing as how there is magic, demons and darkspawn...it would be difficult to claim there are no gods...but an agnostic elf? Yeah...that would probably be your best bet...and not worshiping or caring could also help your rp out... or...seeing as how the gods no longer seem to have a role outside of an opiate of the masses kind of thing...maybe believing that they no longer exist and questioning if they ever did would be a Dragon Age kind of atheism.

 

But honestly...you're playing as the Herald of Andraste...so something tells me that all of this will be flipped end over end by the end of the prologue...but I could be wrong...I just don't see anyone reallly being an atheist in the Dragon Age universe, because...much like the real world...there needed to be someone who questioned it...who sought out the reason for life and the complexity of nature outside of some divine intervention...for us that was Darwin, and before Darwin...there weren't very many people who didn't believe in some higher power...99% of the world was most likely theist. The same could probably be said for Dragon Age...they haven't had their Darwin yet.

good points.

Fen'Harel

[TruffleMeister]

If it puts you at ease, you are asked upfront if you believe in the maker, and you can flatout say you don't and with the other choosable options possibly allude to you not believing in any gods (elves included)

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[Doominike]

Plenty of people in Thedas are atheists. At least some of the Wardens can flat out state it "I told you before, I don't believe in the maker" (HN origin), there's a few occasions during DAO where you can imply it in no uncertain terms, Hawke had less occasions but you still have the opportunity to strongly argue against the maker's existence with the grand cleric, Morrigan explains at length why she doesn't believe in banter with Leliana, every single follower of the Qun "qunari do not worship", and we also know some andrastians whose faith isn't that strong  (Alistair's "I believe well enough I guess" or Anders in Legacy being in denial about Corypheus' revelations, there's even a dialogue option for Hawke asking "You don't believe ?") so it's arguably reasonable to assume that just like irl many theists just identify as such because it's tradition or the majority without ever really thinking about it. Around where I'm at most people will say they're christians if asked but barely if ever pray and churches are either barren or populated by elderly