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[Orochi]

chuckles not so much twisted just Brutally honest i have seen no one else really agreeing about single chest buying as its not that big of issue save up buy Larger chest if buying numerous small chests 1 at time is bother some

[TheThirdRace]

chuckles not so much twisted just Brutally honest i have seen no one else really agreeing about single chest buying as its not that big of issue save up buy Larger chest if buying numerous small chests 1 at time is bother some

You mistake "brutal honesty" with apathy.

Imagine there's a bug with mages but you don't play mages. Should it be fixed for the sake of others or ignored because you don't play mages?

The game is gonna be amazing with or without it, it would just be more amazing with it. If it doesn't affect you, which it doesn't from what I can gather from your posts, then just let it go and let us have it.

[Orochi]

o im not one too care about bugs one of my top games ive enjoyed was alpha protocol lets not get started on that games issues tho wish they would team with bio ware too make second game but alas series is dead had allot of potential as for me and apathy well that depends on my mood but this game will be amazing think my fav multi map so far is the Orlesian Chateau just form the tile set it uses

[TheThirdRace]

o im not one too care about bugs one of my top games ive enjoyed was alpha protocol lets not get started on that games issues tho wish they would team with bio ware too make second game but alas series is dead had allot of potential as for me and apathy well that depends on my mood but this game will be amazing think my fav multi map so far is the Orlesian Chateau just form the tile set it uses[/size]

Yeah, I read Alpha Protocol had a lot of issues, but that didn't stop me from buying the game either. Haven't played it yet, but it's sitting in my steam library for when I have the time... Glad to hear you enjoyed it, it seemed to have so much potential I couldn't resist buying it on sale.

[Orochi]

it is a amazing game but it is prone too issues but you can deff feel biowares influence in devs in game  but they did allot of unique neat things but if you can overlook most of flaws its pretty fulfilling game lots of bonus or secret objectives tons of different play styles in missions lethal non lethal stealth think recebnt splinter cell archetype ghost predetor non lethal

[Silvershroud]

Hmm, I haven't played Alpha Protocol in a while.  Completely forgot about it because I haven't installed it on my new computer yet.  That may be just what I need to get through this last week of waiting!  Very fun game, it it can feel very different on different playthroughs due to your options in playstyle, as well as the order you choose to do the main quests.   I just wouldn't recommend trying to finish the Russian part first, wait until you get some of the best weapons.  I found that boss to be by far the hardest in the game...   If you need any advice, the pistol special ability seems to be the best boss-killer in the game.

 

Anyway, back on topic.  I actually prefer buying packs one at a time.  I feel like it makes it easier to see what I got.  I don't need my screen flooded with 50 items at once, thanks!  Of course, I prefer to spend my money as I get it, so it's rarely more than one or two packs at a time.  I can certainly see how it could be annoying if you saved up for a while and then bought a bunch at once.

[PurpGuy1]

bulk purchase ruins the sense of excitement

 

every time you open a pack you should be excited

[KoorahUK]

bulk purchase ruins the sense of excitement

 

every time you open a pack you should be excited

Besides, who saves up enough cash to buy 10 chests at once? I need my potions, and my jars of bees and my character unlocks. 

[Orochi]

last nights live stream was great

[TheThirdRace]

Besides, who saves up enough cash to buy 10 chests at once? I need my potions, and my jars of bees and my character unlocks. 

 

Eventually, you have a good chunk of everything. That's when you start to pile up the money. In ME3, it wasn't rare to play an entire day with the same friends and going to the store only at the end of the day to reap your rewards. After 4 months of playing ME3, I had on average 7 million credits saved up. I spent some whenever I had an hour to waste in the store, too bad I couldn't play instead...

 

Just because you're too exited to spend your gold ASAP doesn't mean nobody can save up instead. It' not like it would be difficult to have the choice of how many to buy... Press Left or Right to change the type of chest, press Up or Down to change the amount. If the amount is 1 and you press Down, you get the maximum amount you can buy with your gold. It doesn't require any extra input for those that want to buy one at the time while it saves hours for those that buy in bulk. What's the problem with that? Why deny me something because it's not your personal preference? Why force me to spend hours in the store because you like it there?

[Orochi]

eh simply who cares there plans seem like there going too do allot more too co op then me 3 so lets sit back and watch and bury his chest issue so deep in closes not even a Russian can find it

[KoorahUK]

Eventually, you have a good chunk of everything. That's when you start to pile up the money. In ME3, it wasn't rare to play an entire day with the same friends and going to the store only at the end of the day to reap your rewards. After 4 months of playing ME3, I had on average 7 million credits saved up. I spent some whenever I had an hour to waste in the store, too bad I couldn't play instead...

Just because you're too exited to spend your gold ASAP doesn't mean nobody can save up instead. It' not like it would be difficult to have the choice of how many to buy... Press Left or Right to change the type of chest, press Up or Down to change the amount. If the amount is 1 and you press Down, you get the maximum amount you can buy with your gold. It doesn't require any extra input for those that want to buy one at the time while it saves hours for those that buy in bulk. What's the problem with that? Why deny me something because it's not your personal preference? Why force me to spend hours in the store because you like it there?

You are talking about user interface changes, making a number bigger or smaller on the screen you are looking at. That is the most minor aspect of your store purchase.

The rng allocates a set number of items per crate. These items have to be logged against your account. Your account has to be incremented with the new values and that data had to be published throught the database server structure so that it is available to all the bits of the system that require access to it. Only when all these actions have been completed and verified can they then tell you what was in that chest.

If it was just you, the amount of time this takes is negligible but it isn't just you. It can be thousands and thousands of transactions all being done at the same time. Don't tell me you've never had one of those loooong delays while you are waiting on your chest to open? Thats load on the server.

I don't know enough about EA's server infrastructure to know how well optimised it is for bulk purchases, but I do know that it is quicker to process 10 lines of data than 100. Yes they could change the mechanism to process a bulk order rather than make 10 individual processes but that is more work than you are crediting them with, and considering they already have a system that works fine for most players and keeps their system running efficiently, any sensible developer with a budget to look after needs to decide if that QOL change to allow bulk purchases is adequately advantageous to enough players to warrent the dev work involved.

Seems someone "did their job" and decided no.

[Orochi]

Besides im sure  unlike me 3 you could buy thousands of chests still not find everything

[TheThirdRace]

You are talking about user interface changes, making a number bigger or smaller on the screen you are looking at. That is the most minor aspect of your store purchase.

The rng allocates a set number of items per crate. These items have to be logged against your account. Your account has to be incremented with the new values and that data had to be published throught the database server structure so that it is available to all the bits of the system that require access to it. Only when all these actions have been completed and verified can they then tell you what was in that chest.

If it was just you, the amount of time this takes is negligible but it isn't just you. It can be thousands and thousands of transactions all being done at the same time. Don't tell me you've never had one of those loooong delays while you are waiting on your chest to open? Thats load on the server.

I don't know enough about EA's server infrastructure to know how well optimised it is for bulk purchases, but I do know that it is quicker to process 10 lines of data than 100. Yes they could change the mechanism to process a bulk order rather than make 10 individual processes but that is more work than you are crediting them with, and considering they already have a system that works fine for most players and keeps their system running efficiently, any sensible developer with a budget to look after needs to decide if that QOL change to allow bulk purchases is adequately advantageous to enough players to warrent the dev work involved.

Seems someone "did their job" and decided no.

 

That has nothing to do with making a number bigger or smaller on the screen, what are you talking about?

 

I am a professional programmer, I know I'm not spouting non sense. This isn't a John Doe company, it's EA dammit!

 

It's also much faster to authenticate once, do 100 transactions and confirm at the end than do the authenticate + transaction + confirm 100 times separately. As proof, they streamlined the DLC check when you started ME3 so they could do it in 1 string instead of 8. That made the game check everything in less than 10 seconds instead of 2 minutes.

 

Do you have any idea how much time it takes to read 100 separate transactions? I don't, but I sure do know it's faster to read 1 big transaction instead of 100 small ones. It's basic DB management, you don't do a "commit" after each record, you wait till you have between 500-1000 before you do. You save easily 75% of the required time for ressource access.

 

Granted, that might have required some work to get this running. On the other hand, if they're able to process more transactions because they're coming in bulk, they need less servers, less cooling, less electricity, less management, less everything. Not only that, but they do make the process simpler to manage for everyone.

 

All things considered, I disagree with your opinion. Someone didn't do it's job, I'd wager it wasn't a programmer that made the call but someone who didn't give a rat's ass about players.

[KoorahUK]

I didn't say it was 'better' to do individual transactions I said it was quicker to do one small one. Of course its more efficient to process one large one instead of 100 small ones, but if only a small number of the userbase would utilise such a feature then you still need the servers and infrastructure to service everyone else and you'ge done a lot of work for little gain other than satisfying a small number of users.

If everybody wanted to buy 100 chests at a time I'd 100% agree with you that this change were required, and I imagine so would whoever was responsible for approving the business case for the work.

It sucks but thats business

[Orochi]

whistles quietly so this chest things still going on eh someone find gandalf too stop the chest rampage we need too find the one chest rule them all Throw it into the breach

[KoorahUK]

I've already been involved way more than my interest level justifies. I'll leave the thread allowing OP to have final word by wishing him/her luck with their petition.

I'm sure it will receive the interest it deserves

[Orochi]

I've already been involved way more than my interest level justifies. I'll leave the thread allowing OP to have final word by wishing him/her luck with their petition.

I'm sure it will receive the interest it deserves

yea on side note Launch trailer was epic

[Reptillius]

Hey. If it's that big of a problem for you. Do what I do. Make your money and do the buying when your doing something like getting ready for work. When it's easy to make a couple clicks and then walk away from the computer or console a bit then come back and check and do another.  Or do it as your coming in the door and getting home. We all have to empty our pockets. put away our keys, stick our phone somewhere, possibly change.  do it in between all those steps.

 

My friend what little this was a problem often did it while she was cooking because cooking was taking up her time and she couldn't really play matches while doing it.

 

For Myself until I have everything I need and want. I'm not going to have the cash for this to be a problem.  By the time it actually does then I have more than gotten my time out of it and it's only going to be the occasional annoyance because  I'll probably have the ammounts of the items I want or need pretty maxed out.  The ones that I don't are going to be so fricken full that it's going to basically force the RNG to give me the ones that I do.

[Orochi]

eh its a Minor issue im not worried

[TheThirdRace]

I'm just amazed to see how many people just defend the 1 chest per transaction.

 

What I see is Bioware promising me a treat if I'm a good boy and sit, roll and play dead like a dog. You're all agreeing this is a minor annoyance, yet you're first in line to jump thru hoops and loops to get your treat. I'm just simply amazed how well you just accept it and think it's "normal"... just a tip, it's not...

 

Asking for a change doesn't undermine the game, most of you seem to think that everything's black or white. There are gonna be flaws here and there, but the game is still gonna be amazing. And because it's gonna be amazing doesn't mean there isn't anything Bioware could do to remove those annoyances. So stop defending things that shouldn't be defended, I'm not attacking the integrity of the game, I'm asking for removing some annoyances.

[Orochi]

i love my 1 chest we all learned Lesson from lord of Rings  one has all power i will create my Army of Nazgul using 9 chests of power

[Reptillius]

It doesn't annoy me.  It's not an issue either way for me. I don't really care and I'm not usually one to be buying multiple chests anyway.  I also don't consider it an issue until the game has been going on for a while anyway.  They may change it in a future patch. You don't know.  I find it a little funny that people get so upset over it myself.

[Orochi]

It doesn't annoy me.  It's not an issue either way for me. I don't really care and I'm not usually one to be buying multiple chests anyway.  I also don't consider it an issue until the game has been going on for a while anyway.  They may change it in a future patch. You don't know.  I find it a little funny that people get so upset over it myself.

what he said

[Stinja]

Go in the store, click on buy chest, wait 10 seconds on good day or 40+ seconds on bad ones, see the content of your 1 chest, click to close the content and do this all over again for each and every chest until you spend your 40k you had in bank...

Have you ever tried to spend 4 million credits in ME3MP ...  you're gonna spend a lot more time than you realize in the store. Something like a minute every match, I played almost 2000 ME3 games, do the math...

 

To be fair to TheThirdRace, bulk buying was quite annoying in ME3MP.

 

On the way to maxing my manifest I'd save up 2-5 million, then bulk buy, and it would take quite a while.  That's time i could be playing the actual game, not watching loading/authentication screens and animations.

 

To me it's much like cutscenes:  yes i enjoy watching them once, second time around, let me skip it and play the game proper.

In ME3MP i didn't care that i unlocked yet more Disruptor ammo and medigels, i just wanted to see if i got a UR; and if buying 20+ packs in one sitting, i don't even care about the URs specifically, just how many i'd unlocked for that X million credits.  

Bulk buying would have been useful and a time saver (and this is hours in the store over 2 years of playing).

 

I've not yet seen a video of someone skipping thru DAMP buying as fast as possible, but it does look clunky with an enforced chest opening animation etc.  A minor annoyance, but valid to some people.