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Oh wow.
No veil = no possession. Therefore that defuses the ticking time bomb that is every mage that can't control their powers. Which makes circles and templars and tranquility all unnecessary. Goddamn.
You know, this is sounding less and less crazy the more I think about it.
Where's that pic @DR posted, from South Park. Outta "likes", just like that.
BIG LIKES for all!!
Keeping fingers crossed, since all of the new rumors/info seem much more plausible (and much more acceptable...just my .02
LOL! Have to admit, I too would take the elven conception and run with it, vs. the Trickster God trollolol-fest. Being one that really didn't want that to be the super-story reason for race gating.
But bravo to some of these theories.
Here you go, love.
Oh wow.
No veil = no possession. Therefore that defuses the ticking time bomb that is every mage that can't control their powers. Which makes circles and templars and tranquility all unnecessary. Goddamn.
You know, this is sounding less and less crazy the more I think about it.
It's pretty damned brilliant and logical, honestly.
Buuuuuuuuut it went horribly, horribly wrong. Poor Solas. It seemed like a good idea at the time, kiddo, I know.
I think he might have been trying to bring back magic to EVERYONE. There's been a few suggestions that everyone could have magic if the veil was gone. Plus it's clear that he thinks the world could possibly be better if the veil was gone and spirits could mingle with people. He thinks that they could live symbiotically and neither would have to be a threat to the other anymore.
Clearly it didn't work out the way he'd hoped if that's the case. Which might be why he's trying to fix this mess. It would explain why he got kind of worked up and passionate in his conversation all the sudden when talking about the possibilities that come with the veil being gone. I could totally see it as a "It would be awesome! I....I thought it would be awesome....why wasn't it awesome...."
It's a radical idea and it's cool because it throws everything we've been taught in the game up to now in your face and you automatically think he must be crazy. But then you think about it. If everyone had magic, nobody would be above anyone else. No more templars vs mages, no more mages using their power to subdue non-mages, no more demons possessing and corrupting and killing because of misunderstandings and twisted ideas if the veil is gone and everyone co-existed. The idea of being friends with spirits isn't even that far-fetched when you think harder about it: everyone loved Justice.
Even after everything, Solas is still my favorite character and is introducing some intensely interesting lore and ideas.
Oh my god. It kind of reminds me of ME3's Synthesis choice. Solas totally would have chosen that ending if he was playing that game! Except, you know, his idea wouldn't make people half machine against their will.
It's green too 
Do we actually know that without the Veil there'll be no possession? There's nothing I know that suggest This. Demons that Were physically in thedas in the past due to small rifts still wanted to possess mortals, because they want to experience the world with their eyes. This doesn't seem to change with the Breach.Oh wow.
No veil = no possession. Therefore that defuses the ticking time bomb that is every mage that can't control their powers. Which makes circles and templars and tranquility all unnecessary. Goddamn.
You know, this is sounding less and less crazy the more I think about it.
You know...Solas is basically Anders + Merrill but done right. XD He isn't as naive as Merrill; he's obviously got a lot more life experience and a healthy wariness, but he shares her views on demons and blood magic. His ideas are radical, like Anders', but they're grounded in logic and reason. And while Anders just wanted to tear **** down, Solas wants to build it back up and deal with the core reason of why mages are so persecuted.
I could never 100% get behind Anders' mage rights thing because...mages are dangerous. Now, that doesn't mean they should be abused and mistreated, and the circle system was obviously very broken, but the fact is that all mages, by nature of their relationship with magic, are a potential danger to themselves and those around them. And I had a really hard time reconciling this, because I always play as a mage first in DA games and I feel really connected to the struggles of mages. They basically got dealt a **** hand, and figuring out how to make it less shitty is incredibly difficult. Restore the circle? You're back to where you started. No surveillance or support for mages? They'd still have to hide their magic lest the stigma cause them to be attacked by frightened people. And then there's the chantry teachings, which are actually quite harmful to a mage's self-image. I mean, remember that human girl in the mage origin/circle storyline? The one who thought of herself as cursed? She hated herself and her magic to the point where she'd welcome being made tranquil. The chantry teaches people to fear mages, and for mages to fear themselves. That's really unhealthy.
But how would one person go about changing a whole religion? A whole culture? Solas is just one guy. It must've been incredibly frustrating to watch all these awful things happen while being able to do nothing about it. Hell, that's how I felt while playing a mage hawke in DA2. But, if you could do one thing that would end up fixing all of these problems, then wouldn't you try too?
...Of course it didn't work out too well. But I can admire the attempt, and the reasons behind it. Solas truly is a dreamer.
Do we actually know that without the Veil there'll be no possession? There's nothing I know that suggest This. Demons that Were physically in thedas in the past due to small rifts still wanted to possess mortals, because they want to experience the world with their eyes. This doesn't seem to change with the Breach.
Based on the conversation with Solas, he theorizes that without the veil there might not be any demons, only spirits who live in a sort of symbiotic relationship with people and the world. It isn't said outright that there wouldn't be any possession, but I suspect that if everyone has magic then it'll force people to be a whole lot more positive about it, rather than literally demonizing everything to do with it. Remember, he says that demons are just spirits that reflect the fears of people from across the veil. Perhaps if the veil wasn't there, then they wouldn't be affected like that.
That's an interesting theory, but just an assumption. And I admit I wouldn't be willing To try it, since If he's wrong we'll have an apocalypse. Also, people's fears won't vanish without the Veil, so I don't see how the demons will be gone.Based on the conversation with Solas, he theorizes that without the veil there might not be any demons, only spirits who live in a sort of symbiotic relationship with people and the world. It isn't said outright that there wouldn't be any possession, but I suspect that if everyone has magic then it'll force people to be a whole lot more positive about it, rather than literally demonizing everything to do with it. Remember, he says that demons are just spirits that reflect the fears of people from across the veil. Perhaps if the veil wasn't there, then they wouldn't be affected like that.
Was he trying to get rid of the veil entirely, though? We don't know yet. Maybe he just wanted to do some controlled experiments and then everything got out of hand. After all, the fade mark thing lets you both open and close rifts. Maybe his experiments were hijacked by Cory?
EDIT: Went back to the conversation. Solas says,
"Spirits wish to join the living, and a demon is that wish gone wrong." And...
"The Veil creates a barrier that makes true understanding most unlikely." So perhaps spirits turn into demons as a result of mortal ideas and a frustrated desire to be among the living. So the fix is a two-parter: better communication between mortals and spirits in order to make it clear that they aren't evil, and allowing spirits to rejoin humanity. That doesn't necessarily need to happen all at once. A more controlled approach would probably work a lot better.
Also, all we have to go on right now is a single conversation with him. I have a feeling that we're going to get more information when we play the game.
Guess they didn't think we'd take it quite so literally. XD
I just realized that all of the Fen'Harel/wolf imagery is tied to him being a "traitor". Think about it. Fen'Harel was a traitor to both the Creators and the Forgotten Ones. He's the biggest traitor in elven lore. BioWare is just hinting at things to come!
Yeah that´s what I figured,that the wolf is a symbol of his betrayal.
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh I wish I was playing this gaaaaaame! 
I joined in late, any good Solas things from the stream?
I only watched a few minutes before he left. Here's the archive: http://www.twitch.tv...ski/b/588782396
He said he'll be back in a few hours.
edit: Okay, the guy talking and laughing in the background about other things is kind of annoying. Maybe not the best stream.
And flipping through the MB since last night - man. I missed out on a lot of Solas chat haha
edit: Okay, the guy talking and laughing in the background about other things is kind of annoying. Maybe not the best stream.
I was just thinking the same thing! Feed the friend to the Elder One
I was just thinking the same thing! Feed the friend to the Elder One
Maybe that can be one of our judgements.
"And your punishment shall be being eaten by the elder one" 
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Welp, after all this. I think I'm back to Solas as my LI on my first playthrough. This is all way to fascinating to pass up.
Still watching the stream - I just want to run around the Hinterlands for 500 hours and still manage to accomplish nothing. Between work and Grad school, I will definitely be running on limited time and sleep.
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