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#1701
Chrys

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And there's always a handful of people who are so adamant about it that they derail debate just by showing up... >.> Not anyone here but I think we've all seen it at least once. I do hope that Solas doesn't get the Anders' treatment... I get people not liking him, but still...

 

Not trying to be a downer, but I'd expect at least halfway to the Anders treatment. People really like Flemeth. (I do, too.)

 

It's interesting that before coming here I thought I hated some characters. Turned out I'm waaay behind on the level of hate people have and am actually really kind overall xD



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I still love his romance though. Replaying scenes and everything. It all clicks and makes story sense now. He's still my fav character and I really hope there is a witch hunt like dlc. Really really hope so. You know how ppl got to go with her thru the mirror? Maybe we will get something similar. Or maybe instead of waiting to more whole games, we will get an expansion.

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I never really trusted her. She's up to something and I this Solas is a neutral party and thinks the elder ones nor the "elven gods" should rule over the world.
He gets pretty upset if you drink from the well and become hers.

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I really can't start judging Solas for killing Flemeth, if that's what really happened.  I mean, I had my Warden kill her too. Every single time. I'd do it again if Morrigan asked me to.  :lol: And I liike Flemeth.



#1705
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I like Solas romance best too!
The fact that there's no sexy times doesn't even bother me
I find the scene where he removes the vallaslin super romantic :)

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I like Flemeth.

 

I just don't mind when characters I like kill other characters I like. Unless I'm really invested in the character I like.



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I still love his romance though. Replaying scenes and everything. It all clicks and makes story sense now. He's still my fav character and I really hope there is a witch hunt like dlc. Really really hope so. You know how ppl got to go with her thru the mirror? Maybe we will get something similar. Or maybe instead of waiting to more whole games, we will get an expansion.


I really hope so on a DLC....

#1708
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I think any resolution with Solas is going to take a whole new DA game. If he is a villain I wouldn't mind being able to romance him on multiple races.

 

 

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#1709
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Btw, do any of the companions/advisors ever comment on romancing Solas?

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I talked to Sera and she mentioned it. I forgot what she said exactly. Something like, "I see the way you look at him something something rude about Solas saying elf power or something."

 

Edit: Maybe the Solas resolution could happen in an expansion like Awakening. I'd hope that the Inquisitor could be the one to deal with him, whatever he is or isn't up to. It's still too early to know what he's planning or whether it'll be for better or worse.

 

Sigh.

 

Why do I have this feeling like I'm going to be bit in the ass? Is this how Maria felt at the end of Mad Father? 

 

Edit again: Please tell me someone actually got that reference.



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So is Solas going to attempt to raise the elves back to their former glory. Does he despise the other races, particularly humans for what they do to elves? What do you guys think?

 

I was really bummed when they said he was for the female elf only. Now i'm even more curious as to why he was so gated. Any theories?



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So is Solas going to attempt to raise the elves back to their former glory. Does he despise the other races, particularly humans for what they do to elves? What do you guys think?

 

I was really bummed when they said he was for the female elf only. Now i'm even more curious as to why he was so gated. Any theories?

He actually seems sad about the dwarves if you take him and Varric around for long enough. He really doesn't understand why the dwarves are content to leave things as they are and compares them to a sword arm that's been cut off but still twitching. I don't think he necessarily hates any of the races, though he clearly isn't fond of even most elves. He has a very particular opinion of the Dalish for example. 



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I think he just doesn't like the way people and the world are right now, rather than being specifically racist.



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What does Solas do if you refuse to remove your Tats? 



#1715
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Tbh, I'm really upset that the vallisin is a mark of slavery in ancient elven culture and this seems like a total 180 of established lore. Also, he just removes the tats and then is like lol just kidding, I'm going to leave you now. That's a little disconcerting. I mean I know he's supposed to be controversial, but there's a gap of information we are missing that would lend a little contextual credence? *shrug*

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Can you remove your vallaslin if you are a male Dalish elf and you are in high approval with Solas ? I would really like to remove my Lavellan's slave markings. 

 

Additionally, I think this is what happened in Elvhenan:- Elvhenan in its heyday was perhaps an amalgamation of Tevinter and Orlais, except it is with Elves. You had hedonism, slavery, debauchery, all of that. The slave elves, those with Vallaslin, rebelled against their masters.

 

Most likely Fen'Harel would have encouraged them or help foster the dissent, which earned him his nickname as the Trickster God. 

 

Since Abelas said that Tevinter were not responsible for the fall of Elvhenan and Arlathan, this implies that it was the elves themselves who were responsible in doing so.

 

My theory is that the elven slaves rebelled against their masters, with the encouragement of Fen'Harel, probably with the help of and the alliance of ancient Tevinter. Slaves cannot just rebel without support so they had to rely on someone. The help Tevinter provided, the magic they provided to the elven slaves might have caused the destruction and sinking of Arlathan.

 

However, I think the total destruction of Arlathan and Elvhenan was not what the elven slaves wanted or intended. They most likely just intended to overthrow their leaders and well, things went awry. This then caused them to point fingers at the shemlen they allied with and hate them for it. Hence, the "Tevinter caused the fall of ancient Elvhenan" myth. It is a half-truth, half-lie.

 

That is why they, the elves, lost their culture, their history, their magics and their history. Because the ones who instigated the fall were slaves and slaves are not very knowledgeable in history, culture, technology or magics. 

 

This is also why we saw the ancient Tevinter actively collaborating with the Dwarves of Cadash Thaig to destroy the Elves who decided to seek refuge there. They were probably doing so because the Elves who fled were not the Elven slaves but remnants of the Elven upper class society. 

 

This is also why Solas who we now know as Fen'Harel has something against the Dalish Elves. Perhaps they were intended to overthrow their rulers and take their places, not destroy Elvhenan. This is why he said something along the lines of Dalish having lost their way. 

 

This would also explain why the Elven "gods" have not spoken to the Elves in ages even though they were around in different forms. Flemeth was for example the Herald of Mythal. 

 

As such, what was left of the ancient Elves were the elven slaves, those who wore vallaslin, those who, for most of their lives, were enslaved and as such lacked the capability to rebuild Elvhenan anew. Even Fen'Harel mentions that the Dales were nothing but a shadow of cities like Arlathan. I mean, you cannot expect groups of slaves to know how to build nations, maintain governments and be masters of magics.

 

This "Vallaslin as a mark of the slave" also shows the parallel of the Dalish Elves with the Casteless of Orzammar. The difference is that the Dalish no longer have anyone to rule over them. 

 

I honestly think that the upper class Elven societies of old had good ties with ancient Tevinter. Both were highly advanced magical societies and based on Solas' attitude towards Blood Magic and the possibility that old Archons were taught Blood Magic by ancient Elves, it is highly likely in their heyday, the upper class in both societies were good pals. 

 

As for Tevinter enslaving the elves, slavery has been practiced by Tevinter for ages. After the fall of the Elvhenan, the freed elves just wandered around. Some would have been either captured as slaves by Tevinter and some would have even willingly joined them as indentured servants.

 

This is obviously my speculation. I would like to hear your' folks thoughts on this. 



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Tbh, I'm really upset that the vallisin is a mark of slavery in ancient elven culture and this seems like a total 180 of established lore. Also, he just removes the tats and then is like lol just kidding, I'm going to leave you now. That's a little disconcerting. I mean I know he's supposed to be controversial, but there's a gap of information we are missing that would lend a little contextual credence? *shrug*

Thing is about Dalish lore though, we honestly don't know WHAT is right and they've made that clear since the beginning. Most of their culture was lost over a thousand years, and more, two complete annihilations of their civilizations, slavery at the hands of Tevinter, splitting of the clans and the city elves, and a whole mess of other junk that ensured a good deal of it never actually can be trusted as the complete truth. In Origins there's several points where it's outright pointed to that what you're experiencing doesn't match the Dalish tales, such as the cave from the Dalish Origin and the temple in the Brecillian forest. It also doesn't help that what lore the Dalish DO find and restore isn't always going to be shared with the rest of the clans - depending on the Keeper and how they lead, and for the sheer fact that many clans don't want to be found. Honestly I'd be amazed if all the clans didn't have wild opinions on their history based upon what they've found and what the stories have grown into as it gets passed down verbally. Telephone is hell even when you're just playing it with friends, over centuries there's no telling what was lost.

 

Edit: Also, everything Isten said times a thousand. 



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Tbh, I'm really upset that the vallisin is a mark of slavery in ancient elven culture and this seems like a total 180 of established lore. Also, he just removes the tats and then is like lol just kidding, I'm going to leave you now. That's a little disconcerting. I mean I know he's supposed to be controversial, but there's a gap of information we are missing that would lend a little contextual credence? *shrug*

 

You should look at history and you will see that we have so many preconceived notions that are a complete 180 of reality. 

 

Back to Thedas though.

 

I would like you to picture the casteless dwarves with their brands. Imagine 1000 years ago, some cataclysm happened that effectively wiped out every dwarf in Orzammar except the casteless and effectively destroyed the majority of Orzammar which rendered it not suitable for living.

 

These casteless dwarves, the last group of their kind, ventured into the surface to live.

 

Fast forward a 100 years. See what I mean ? These casteless dwarves, due to their nature of slavery and oppression, had no idea how to build nations, how to engage in diplomacy or advanced technologies. It was all lost. 

 

But they are dwarves, they are proud of it. So they live a nomadic life because they lack the capability, the skill and they faced hostility from other races which prevented them from being able to settle down.

 

Until a point where they managed to secure a piece of land called the Dales. They tried to rebuild they ancient glory days of Orzammar there but that did not go so well and they were driven out.

 

So now, they call themselves Dalish Dwarves, they are nomads, they are true dwarves and their brand is a mark of honor. Those who do not have them are shamed as and labelled by the Dalish Dwarves as surfacer. 

 

Now replace Orzammar with Arlathan or Elvhenan, replace dwarves with elves, replace brand with Vallaslin and replace surfacer with flat-ear. 

 

See the picture ?



#1719
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As much as I like Flemeth, I've always seen her as dangerous. I'm not too sad to see her go, but I somewhat doubt they would kill such a major character offscreen. [Or that Morrigan wouldn't be the one to finally kill her off for good.] If that ending scene is self contained, then we really don't know what is going on. 

 

Also keep in mind, Flemeth has said she keeps several magical backups in the event of her death. Dread Wolf may be strong enough to bypass it, but Flemeth is quite tricky. 

 

Solas does seem to favor elves, even if he's critical of them. If his feelings are legitimate, then perhaps he regrets what happened in ancient times. As we saw in DA:O, life for elven kind isn't so great lately. If he's only just woken up, then it all might be a bit overwhelming. 

 

As for why female elf only- I suspect he was added into the game towards the end, and they only wanted to deal with dialogue written around a single gender. Or, he simply just likes women. How much of the Dread Wolf is Solas? There's always the possibility that Solas is partially mortal. Or entirely mortal, and the Dread Wolf is simply possessing him.



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Those who already did Solas quest, did you let him kill the mages?
I saved his friend but told him not to kill the mages, I hope I didn't screw up :(
I mean the romance

#1721
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...And people where worried about "elven babies"  <_<

 

I'm quite deluded by the absence of sexy time with Solas (expecially with the abundance the others romanc ehave in this departmant)

But it feel like such a great story to play his romance, that I can close an eye on that.

 

(but I still want at least a look at that SolAss in a DLC!  :P)



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Those who already did Solas quest, did you let him kill the mages?
I saved his friend but told him not to kill the mages, I hope I didn't screw up :(
I mean the romance

 

I let him kill the mages, but you should be fine since you saved his friend.



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Those who already did Solas quest, did you let him kill the mages?
I saved his friend but told him not to kill the mages, I hope I didn't screw up :(
I mean the romance

 

I didn't let him and it didn't do anything. I still got the full romance scene and he didn't even mention it later, so don't worry!



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Okay, thanks :)
I also got the second kiss, so it should be fine

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My reply was not meant to offend, It just was shocking to me the reveal to me that's all. I forgot about the parallel to Orzammar, I'm glad you brought it up. It makes more sense in that context.