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[Roxy]

Depends on what your definition of "bad" is. Bittersweet or even bitter endings are alright with me as long as the feelings are real and the love interest isn't just killed off for drama factor. In this case I'm not surprised or disappointed because I know what he is. I never expected it to end any other way and the emotions he showed were enough for me. At least what they had was real and both of them are still out there, alive and kicking!

There are many definitions of "Bad" : Poor,Unsatisfactory,Unacceptable ,Miserable etc..Ya'll who like not so happy endings fine that's your opinion your cup of tea but not everybody likes bittersweet or bad endings. Also I'm not saying Solas's romance is 100% bad I like it so far(Heck I love this game) but to have a incomplete romance like that where he dumps you then ditches you is just ...not my cup of tea. But I'm gonna try to stay optimistic on a DLC so our Lavellans will get answers from him. 

 

If I could "like" your post a trillion times, I would do it. I loathe sad endings to anything, and when I play a game, I want to actually feel good when I finish, rather than feel like crying or stabbing myself in the head with a firepoker. And hope works...altering the final scene with Solas (from what I've read about it) so that he kisses the Inquisitor, kinda smiles and says he made a promise and a god always keeps his promises or, at the very least, says he'll see her again, would at least leave some hope for a happy ending that we could head canon, if necessary.

 

Though I suppose it's better than just killing him off as an afterthought the way they did with Thane in ME3.

 

 

Thanks.

 

Yeah i have to say I'm happy Solas isn't killed off that's waaay better than what Thane got. I haven't even finished the game yet I hope there is something along the lines of "We'll see each other again." when I get to the end. But I think we will see him again...just that gut feeling lol. 

[RynJ]

There are many definitions of "Bad" : Poor,Unsatisfactory,Unacceptable ,Miserable etc..Ya'll who like not so happy endings fine that's your opinion your cup of tea but not everybody likes bittersweet or bad endings. Also I'm not saying Solas's romance is 100% bad I like it so far(Heck I love this game) but to have a incomplete romance like that where he dumps you then ditches you is just ...not my cup of tea. But I'm gonna try to stay optimistic on a DLC so our Lavellans will get answers from him. 

 

I'm just saying that what some consider bad, others don't. It's all a matter of perspective and nobody has to feel either way about it. 

[Miss This or That]

It's a ton better than what Thane got. But still, it lacks a conclusion and I just hope that they will give us one in the future. Until then I'm going to headcanon that my Lavellan eventually returns to her clan and turns the Dread Wolf stature around so that it can watch over her people - simply because she feels it is the right thing to do. (Gut feeling and all.) Oh sweet, sweet headcanons...

[Roxy]

It's a ton better than what Thane got. But still, it lacks a conclusion and I just hope that they will give us one in the future. Until then I'm going to headcanon that my Lavellan eventually returns to her clan and turns the Dread Wolf stature around so that it can watch over her people - simply because she feels it is the right thing to do. (Gut feeling and all.) Oh sweet, sweet headcanons...

 

I agree it's much better than what Thane got and that's what I'm hoping for that there will be some DLC like morrigans later on so our female elf and Solas can get some closure...good closure. 

[M-Taylor]

Call me a weirdo but I actually really like the ending, and I don't really want it to be cheapened with Fen'Harel, the trickster GOD, gives it all up for a mortal elf. I think this ending is sad, yes, but at the same time realistic (as much realism that can be applied to a romance with a god... >.>). His goals are simply too big for own interests or loves to be accounted for, so female quizzy gets heart broken.

 

It's not like Thane because they cruely hinted that Thane would get a cure in the Shadowbroker DLC. It's not like Morrigan, because while Morrigan had a mysterious appeal, it was stated over and over again that she was human (and she herself atleast believed it). I love the Solas romance and the ending, and I don't want a DLC like Witch Hunt. Maybe a DLC to follow him and get explanations, sure I could tolerate that, but I don't want him to end up changing his divine plans to accomodate a pissing mortal elf. D:

 

TL : DR - the ending is fine and realistic. I just think people need to stop thinking that their PC deserves to get everything they ever wanted; my canon romance in Origins was Morrigan, and I didn't want the Witch Hunters DLC. I was fine with the bittersweet ending; it gave Morrigan character and credibility. She had goals that she did not waver from simply because feelings got in the way. Solas is the same, possibly even worse because his goals seem far more risky than Morrigans.

[Miss This or That]

Nobody really stated that he should give up everything for her - I certainly wouldn't want that. Even though it would be sweet, my Lavellan wouldn't want to make a decision for him. (But that's just my opinion.) I have yet to romance him myself, but spoiled myself completely, haha. She does deserve an explanation, though. That's what he should do after what he did to her.

It has to do with my headcanon too, because my Lavellan will go back to her clan eventually (headcanon), free from her vallaslin, free from the Inquisition because she doesn't want to make too many decisions and left alone by Solas. Her clan won't take this new information lightly either, so she's left completely broken inside. Without even knowing why Solas left her. Gosh, I'm so mean to my character, even though I love her to bits.

[Roxy]

Call me a weirdo but I actually really like the ending, and I don't really want it to be cheapened with Fen'Harel, the trickster GOD, gives it all up for a mortal elf. I think this ending is sad, yes, but at the same time realistic (as much realism that can be applied to a romance with a god... >.>). His goals are simply too big for own interests or loves to be accounted for, so female quizzy gets heart broken.

 

It's not like Thane because they cruely hinted that Thane would get a cure in the Shadowbroker DLC. It's not like Morrigan, because while Morrigan had a mysterious appeal, it was stated over and over again that she was human (and she herself atleast believed it). I love the Solas romance and the ending, and I don't want a DLC like Witch Hunt. Maybe a DLC to follow him and get explanations, sure I could tolerate that, but I don't want him to end up changing his divine plans to accomodate a pissing mortal elf. D:

 

TL : DR - the ending is fine and realistic. I just think people need to stop thinking that their PC deserves to get everything they ever wanted; my canon romance in Origins was Morrigan, and I didn't want the Witch Hunters DLC. I was fine with the bittersweet ending; it gave Morrigan character and credibility. She had goals that she did not waver from simply because feelings got in the way. Solas is the same, possibly even worse because his goals seem far more risky than Morrigans.

 

That's your opinion.

 

But everybody has a GOD giving right to think what they want...what makes you think  you can come in here telling everybody what they need to think or not to think? If you want your Inquisitor to be miserable go right ahead nobody is stopping you but some would like to have closure and a good ending. Good for you that you like the bittersweet endings, but I sure as heck don't and I'm sure I'm not alone on that. At least this game gives you options but with the ending with Solas they didn't give us much choice at all.

 

Plus I think I saw somewhere that Solas says there are no Elven gods...maybe I'm wrong on that.

 

I think that was just a rumor nm.

Modifié par Roxy, 21 novembre 2014 - 10:32 .

[Miss This or That]

@Roxy: I think he states that they aren't really gods, but that he still believes in them? I think that's part of his last romance scene, if I'm not mistaken!
 

[Onecrazymonkey1]

Yeah I believe the Dalish just worshiped them as gods because of the power they wielded and the Dalish's slave status. I mean I can certainly see why they would appear to be gods to less powerful beings. I just think they were ancient elven mages in my opinion that kept the lower castes down; I don't get the whole I'm romancing a god vibe and I could easily picture a more fleshed out ending between Solas and the inquisitor in a DLC, for better or worse. I'm really hoping I don't have to leave her crushed though, this romance is beautiful if not at least a little depressing.

I also thought Bioware would keep the whole god aspect a mystery so it wouldn't surprise me if they weren't gods at all.

[Roxy]

@Roxy: I think he states that they aren't really gods, but that he still believes in them? I think that's part of his last romance scene, if I'm not mistaken!
 

 

Ah right that's what he said...ha I haven't gotten that far with Solas just yet. 

[Roxy]

Yeah I believe the Dalish just worshiped them as gods because of the power they wielded and the Dalish's slave status. I mean I can certainly see why they would appear to be gods to less powerful beings. I just think they were ancient elven mages in my opinion that kept the lower castes down; I don't get the whole I'm romancing a god vibe and I could easily picture a more fleshed out ending between Solas and the inquisitor in a DLC, for better or worse. I'm really hoping I don't have to leave her crushed though, this romance is beautiful if not at least a little depressing.

I also thought Bioware would keep the whole god aspect a mystery so it wouldn't surprise me if they weren't gods at all.

 

That's why I'm beginning to think these Dread wolf tales aren't even true.

[MidgetNemo]

So for those of you who have finished the game,apparently you get one last scene with your LI in your quarters after the finale battle, do you still get this scene if you romance Solas? Obviously he´s not there but maybe a mention?

[Miss This or That]

That's why I'm beginning to think these Dread wolf tales aren't even true.

 

Doesn't Solas comment on most of the Dalish tales being kind of wrong? It would make sense for him to kind of hate the Dalish if they worship tales about him that aren't really right to begin with. I haven't played the game for more than two hours myself, but I spoiled almost all of Solas' romance scenes because it will take me a long time to finish it because of exams, heh.

[M-Taylor]

That's your opinion.

 

But everybody has a GOD giving right to think what they want...what makes you think  you can come in here telling everybody what they need to think or not to think? If you want your Inquisitor to be miserable go right ahead nobody is stopping you but some would like to have closure and a good ending. Good for you that you like the bittersweet endings, but I sure as heck don't and I'm sure I'm not alone on that. At least this game gives you options but with the ending with Solas they didn't give us much choice at all.

 

Plus I think I saw somewhere that Solas says there are no Elven gods...maybe I'm wrong on that.

 

I think that was just a rumor nm.

 

Haha. I forget how volatile Bioware forums can get.

 

I didn't say that you *had* to like it, and I'm not *forcing* you to like it. All I was suggesting was my own opinion, which you yourself clearly stated. I expressed why I liked it and why having a bittersweet ending was preferable, TO MYSELF, as a player. Entirely my own opinion, so absolutely no idea why you got bare passive aggressive so rapidly haha. And the funny thing is, Bioware clearly agrees with my stance on the romance, otherwise they would have given the Solas romance closure.

 

I don't really understand people like yourself. Like, I've been in your position, Morrigan was my canon Warden romance and will likely be the romance I compare all other characters too, and we all know how that originally neded. She vanished and the Warden was left heart broken. But at no point did I think it detracted from the actual story arc itself (in fact, enhanced it. Doesn't suit Morrigan to follow the Warden around), and I certainly did not let other peoples opinions induce such hostilities from myself. I accepted that they have other opinions to me, and for some reason wanted a bland/over done romance cliche of it ending happily ever after, and left it at that. In fact, I enjoyed reading some differing opinions, it made me re-evaluate the romance in some aspects.

 

 

What I'm trying to say is calm down love, it's only a game. And here's a pro tip from an RPG fan to another. I don't know about you, but I can certainly suss out the 'tragic' romances.

 

An alien which introduces himself predominantly by saying he's dying? Likely not gunna end very well.

 

An apostate mage who sprouts continually about how mages need justice and he will force the war? Definitely avoid.

 

Harpy witch who holds most people in content, with very obvious questionable background? Yikes, this one screams avoid!

 

Randon obvious ancient elf who has no real connection to the Inquisition, no reason to defend humanity and obvious questionable roots (damn Solas why do you know so much about ancient Elves?), again, sorry but kinda obvious.

 

If you're so inclined to happy endings, go to the characters that offer them. They're nearly always obvious. Leliana, Kaidan, Liara, Cullen, Cassandra, Merrill, Josephine, Jack, Ashley, Miranda etc etc. They all have very key themes in common; they're nice people with no secondary agenda, and definitely a safe bet to get that happy ending you've always wanted! Or, a new RPG cliche emerging; sexually ambigious indiviudals with a heart of gold! These too, in my experience, predominantly have a happy ending! So if you don't want to romance the traditional 'good' character, then you can romance people of more questionable morals! Have at Zevran, Isabela, Iron Bull!

 

Just don't expect happy endings from characters that are so obviously not going to provide it.

[Miss This or That]

Haha. I forget how volatile Bioware forums can get.

 

I didn't say that you *had* to like it, and I'm not *forcing* you to like it. All I was suggesting was my own opinion, which you yourself clearly stated. And the funny thing is, Bioware clearly agrees with my stance on the romance, otherwise they would have given the Solas romance closure.

 

I don't really understand people like yourself. Like, I've been in your position, Morrigan was my canon Warden romance and will likely be the romance I compare all other characters too, and we all know how that originally neded. She vanished and the Warden was left heart broken. But at no point did I think it detracted from the actual story arc itself (in fact, enhanced it. Doesn't suit Morrigan to follow the Warden around), and I certainly did not let other peoples opinions induce such hostilities from myself.

 

What I'm trying to say is calm down love, it's only a game. And what's even funnier is you can literally identify what romances will be sad and what won't within, I'd guess, 3 conversations or so. Cullen? Definitely can tell that one was going to end well. Cassandra? Sure, a little frosty but over all, conforms to the standard Bioware romance. Solas? The random elf that turned up and apparently an expert on the Fade, and all other ancient cultures? He was screaming 'alternative agenda' from the get go haha.

 

Ah, I think it's because this info is still fresh - that's why everyone's a little emotional right now. We were trying to figure out if he could come back/you could keep him in your party for a very long time before we finally got our answer. Since he's the favorite character of a lot of people here, most of these people tend to want some kind of closure, even if it's just a single scene or sentence by a character that promised our player characters that he would explain himself, even though he never did. It just feels kind of...empty? That last romance scene took a very sharp turn all of a sudden. It simply feels as if there should be more.

[Roxy]

Haha. I forget how volatile Bioware forums can get.

 

I didn't say that you *had* to like it, and I'm not *forcing* you to like it. All I was suggesting was my own opinion, which you yourself clearly stated. And the funny thing is, Bioware clearly agrees with my stance on the romance, otherwise they would have given the Solas romance closure.

 

I don't really understand people like yourself. Like, I've been in your position, Morrigan was my canon Warden romance and will likely be the romance I compare all other characters too, and we all know how that originally neded. She vanished and the Warden was left heart broken. But at no point did I think it detracted from the actual story arc itself (in fact, enhanced it. Doesn't suit Morrigan to follow the Warden around), and I certainly did not let other peoples opinions induce such hostilities from myself.

 

What I'm trying to say is calm down love, it's only a game. And what's even funnier is you can literally identify what romances will be sad and what won't within, I'd guess, 3 conversations or so. Cullen? Definitely can tell that one was going to end well. Cassandra? Sure, a little frosty but over all, conforms to the standard Bioware romance. Solas? The random elf that turned up and apparently an expert on the Fade, and all other ancient cultures? He was screaming 'alternative agenda' from the get go haha.

 

You can't understand people that want a happy ending?...how very sad. Plus I know it's a game but what's wrong with having options for a good ending? Nothing wrong with that. Also nobody knew for sure what type of romance Solas was going to have so don't pull that "You knew so and so was going to be this or that" bullcrap. I like Solas's romance but I don't like when there is no closure or a happy ending,so I am really hoping for a DLC  and I'm sure some other Solas fans agree.

 

You think Bittersweet is Great I don't ...we think very differently on things and that's fine so lets leave it as that!

[Prince of Keys]

So for those of you who have finished the game,apparently you get one last scene with your LI in your quarters after the finale battle, do you still get this scene if you romance Solas? Obviously he´s not there but maybe a mention?

 

This is what I got:

Spoiler

 

Prior to her going back into Skyhold, Leliana said they tried looking for Solas but he had just disappeared; my Inquisitor said that he never even said goodbye and Leliana tried to reassure her, saying that maybe he had something he had to do and he'd be back. So there's a mention--it's not ignored--but you don't get any scene with him after the end. His "no matter what comes, know that what we had was real" comment is the last you hear from him.

[EvilChani]

You can't understand people that want a happy ending?...how very sad. Plus I know it's a game but what's wrong with having options for a good ending? Nothing wrong with that. Also nobody knew for sure what type of romance Solas was going to have so don't pull that "You knew so and so was going to be this or that" bullcrap. I like Solas's romance but I don't like when there is no closure or a happy ending,so I am really hoping for a DLC  and I'm sure some other Solas fans agree.

 

You think Bittersweet is Great I don't ...we think very differently on things and that's fine so lets leave it as that!

 

My feelings exactly. For example, with Thane, they could have easily given us a mission to save him, making the consequences of doing so quite dire. Give me the option to end the genophage or save Thane...or the choice of saving Thessia from certain destruction or saving Thane from the disease that could ultimately kill him. I would've let Thessia burn in a heartbeat. By sacrificing Thessia for Thane, you end up having to either do without Asari help for the final battle or you have to jump through yet another hoop to convince them to join you. It would've made the story richer, allowed those who wanted to save Thane the option to do so, and allowed those who thought it was "awesome" that he died to let him do so. Everyone's happy...or should be. I've noticed a lot of people don't even want an option to have a happy ending, however, which I can't fathom.

 

As for Solas, they could definitely do a DLC to appease those of us who like happy endings and those who like misery and heartache, and it doesn't even have to be a "choice" by Solas to give up "godlike" status to be with his plain old elf. She could force it on him, to save his life. Or, alternately, kill him for the "greater good." Happy ending fans could get what they wanted and the emo fans can have their horribly sad and miserable ending.

 

I haven't even played the damned game yet (still waiting to see if there's a happy ending for a female who likes dudes...other than Cullen, who I have loathed since DA:O...preferably Iron Bull) and can come up with several ways off the top of my head to resolve this and satisfy both crowds, provided they can stop taking offense at even the possibility of a happy ending. I have no problem with people getting their endings that are so depressing that I am driven to drink, so they can return the courtesy. And, honestly, if people can't stomach other people getting what they want, they need to grow the hell up.

[Chrys]

This is what I got:

Spoiler

 

Prior to her going back into Skyhold, Leliana said they tried looking for Solas but he had just disappeared; my Inquisitor said that he never even said goodbye and Leliana tried to reassure her, saying that maybe he had something he had to do and he'd be back. So there's a mention--it's not ignored--but you don't get any scene with him after the end. His "no matter what comes, know that what we had was real" comment is the last you hear from him.

 

And you can't use him in post-game playing then?

[Prince of Keys]

No, you can't.

[Roxy]

My feelings exactly. For example, with Thane, they could have easily given us a mission to save him, making the consequences of doing so quite dire. Give me the option to end the genophage or save Thane...or the choice of saving Thessia from certain destruction or saving Thane from the disease that could ultimately kill him. I would've let Thessia burn in a heartbeat. By sacrificing Thessia for Thane, you end up having to either do without Asari help for the final battle or you have to jump through yet another hoop to convince them to join you. It would've made the story richer, allowed those who wanted to save Thane the option to do so, and allowed those who thought it was "awesome" that he died to let him do so. Everyone's happy...or should be. I've noticed a lot of people don't even want an option to have a happy ending, however, which I can't fathom.

 

As for Solas, they could definitely do a DLC to appease those of us who like happy endings and those who like misery and heartache, and it doesn't even have to be a "choice" by Solas to give up "godlike" status to be with his plain old elf. She could force it on him, to save his life. Or, alternately, kill him for the "greater good." Happy ending fans could get what they wanted and the emo fans can have their horribly sad and miserable ending.

 

I haven't even played the damned game yet (still waiting to see if there's a happy ending for a female who likes dudes...other than Cullen, who I have loathed since DA:O...preferably Iron Bull) and can come up with several ways off the top of my head to resolve this and satisfy both crowds, provided they can stop taking offense at even the possibility of a happy ending. I have no problem with people getting their endings that are so depressing that I am driven to drink, so they can return the courtesy. And, honestly, if people can't stomach other people getting what they want, they need to grow the hell up.

 

I agree on everything you just said. If some people want a sad ending fine but let others have their happy ending too...geez! 

Modifié par Roxy, 22 novembre 2014 - 01:44 .

[Nyaore]

Just a little aside, am I the only one who gets the feeling Skyhold is where Solas awoke? If you talk to Morrigan she says it was originally an ancient Elven site of great import and that the magic from that time has seeped into the stones. The castle was built upon it, but the sight itself was apparently important before that. Could he have awoken somewhere under all the stonework and that's why he knows where it is? Though it's more likely he awoke somewhere else and knew about it because of it's importance from before then.

 

The more I look at it, they REALLY did a good job supporting that ending with all these little details - and you don't even know it's supporting his godhood until you look back and go 'so that's what was going on! I'm dumb for not seeing it!'. This is the kind of writing I wish they had used for the Star Child in ME3. Make it a surprise, but have stuff in the rest of the narrative that supports it so well.

[Onecrazymonkey1]

I'm all for dramatic romances here and there because in a way it kind of makes things more beautiful for me personally. I always feel kind of bored with the happy plucky romance options. However I do like having the option of happy endings or bitter sweet ones at least (definitely not unfinished). I will be pleasantly surprised to play a tragic Bioware romance one day that doesn't actually end in tragedy. Life is a series of trials and ups and downs, it really shouldn't be one note happy or one note grief all the way, so why can't it be a mix of both? Either way, even if he leaves us forever they need to have him come back in a DLC to explain why. As it stands the ending just feels hollow and unfinished without an explanation which is a shame because it is sooooo well done in other aspects. Without him even saying goodbye, well you're an ass Solas...WHY DO I LOVE YOU! PLEASE LET ME LOVE YOU! Ugh

 

Did I mention that I hate cliff hangers...yeah...

Now I'm sad

[Mims]

Any way we could get a better capture of that ending Solas card, now that some PC folks have it completed? I am in love with all of the tarot designs, I'd love a chance to look at the 'wolf' Solas art closer.