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[Mims]

I would say the romance between Lavellan and Solas is important, even if we never see the Inquisitor again and the relationship is never commented on again. [Which I strongly doubt, but lets work off of the worst case scenario here.] 

 

Solas is much more guarded around the other Inquisitors. Having a romance plot with him humanizes him a fair deal, and shows that he isn't just manipulating events. He might be an antagonist, but he isn't working this on the angle that he intends to intentionally hurt people. Despite being a god, he is as caught up in the events that are unfolding as anyone else. 

 

The romance also shows that his cause isn't all about him. He's willing to trade happiness for it, or at the very least, continue to exist alone because of it. Lavellan is a 'threat' to his plans because she ties him to the present, not to the past, where Solas seems to be entirely focused upon.

 

I doubt the majority of players will ever 'see' Solas's romance. But from a metagaming perspective, most people who care about dragon age will be aware of the basic narrative that happens in it, because even if it doesn't happen in every playthrough, it is still important in understanding the motivations of a character.

 

Without his romance, I suspect people would be more strongly siding with Solas having played a master trick upon the Inquisitor. With the romance, we see it is a lot more complicated than that. 

[scintilla]

I think Solas's story benefits more from the romance than the Inquisitor's does, actually. It doesn't change the ending, of course, but it makes it... less distant. He's not completely separate from the world he's got to live in after the romance, which adds some depth to the choice he makes at the end. He's sacrificing what could have been a different life to achieve his goals instead of walking away from something he doesn't particularly care for.

[Sylvanfeather]

I think Solas's story benefits more from the romance than the Inquisitor's does, actually. It doesn't change the ending, of course, but it makes it... less distant. He's not completely separate from the world he's got to live in after the romance, which adds some depth to the choice he makes at the end. He's sacrificing what could have been a different life to achieve his goals instead of walking away from something he doesn't particularly care for.

 

I see similarities in his story and Morrigan in Origins. The inclusion of the romance makes me think of those comic strip panels done of Morrigan talking to Alistair about the dark ritual. It lets the viewer see that the character is not unaffected by what seems to be otherwise cold actions. For those that had the romance, it definitely adds to his character and allows the player to emphasize about the difficult decisions he will be making. But outside of romancing him and from the meta game aspect, his decisions appear to always been absolute.

 

Though the name had been pointed about a long while ago, I do actually see parallels with his story and Mordin Solus. To save the world, he ruined a race. Now to redeem himself, he has to help restore them. “Had to be me. Someone else might have gotten it wrong.”

[vertigomez]

Solas has the capacity to do far more damage than Anders did, in terms of knowledge and power and he's shown himself willing to destroy in pursuit of his goal. Go ahead and take the "get back the past" option, if you still have a save before that conversation. It's enlightening.
 
I hope his story is continued in DLC, however it goes. The wait if it's something they're setting up for DA4 would be frustrating.

Ooh, does anyone happen to have that "get back the past" dialogue on hand?

I'm trying to recall if Bioware has done any other tragic / unrequited romances with their LIs. The only one that comes to mind is the encounter Shepard has with the romanced Virmire survivor on Horizon.
 
It just makes me think back to this quote from the Building a Better Romance panel:
 
"Patrick Weekes later added that in the end,It is all about "writing stories that we need to tell...hoping that we have the trust from the players to know that we've hit that pretty rigorously."
 
A tiny part me (the bruised part) wants to question if this romance was really a story that needed to told. It feels like an odd thing for Solas's character because you doubt it has any impact, the story outcome is the same for everyone. It feels like small compensation that the players romancing him might have gleaned a bit more of his personality.
 
The other part is blown away by the superb storytelling. My Lavellan got to fall in love with a god. In a story both well told and unexpected. It's a tale worthy of greek mythology. So, to the devs I want to say: Thank you! (From this part of myself, at least.)

I agree that his romance is unique and completely worth it. As for whether it's a "story that needed to be told"... I really think so. Because he's Fen'Harel, the Dread Wolf, a trickster... I think so many people are going to believe he's a Bad Guy™ but we Solasmancers know better. And no, I don't think we're deluding ourselves. The fact that he tells you - that he feels you HAVE to know - that his love what real, that he's afraid of dying alone, that you changed everything. His greater empathy for the Dalish (and elves in general)... all of that knowledge, to me, is precious and certainly something that needed to be told. It humanizes (for lack of a better word, lol) him.

[Ajna]

What Pride Had Wrought is up on my map, all green a glowy, but guys, I feel depressed already...

[Sylvanfeather]

*snip*

I agree that his romance is unique and completely worth it. As for whether it's a "story that needed to be told"... I really think so.

 

*snip*

 

Ultimately, I do agree.

 

The most enduring story for those of us who didn't couldn't walk away when Solas told us to

[Ajna]

Guys I may need help, help to push through and do it, all I want to do is ..ffs I'm a grown woman!

[kalasaurus]

Ooh, does anyone happen to have that "get back the past" dialogue on hand?

 

Do you guys mean this one?

 

Solas: What will you do with the power of the Well once Corypheus is dead?

Lavellan: I'll use whatever power I have to undo the chaos that Corypheus and his allies have caused.

Solas: You would put things back the way they were before?

Lavellan: Yes.  I mean, not exactly...

Solas: I know what you mean.  Thank you.

Lavellan: For what?

Solas: You have not been what I expected, Inquisitor. You have... impressed me.  You honor the past and work to recover what was lost.  Even if the price is high.

 

 

Guys I may need help, help to push through and do it, all I want to do is   ..ffs I'm a grown woman!

 

I know what you mean 

 

To be honest, I don't know if I want to finish the game again on subsequent playthroughs.  I'll probably just leave it right before the final battle with Cory.  I have no desire to play an end-game state with Solas gone.

[Nerillin]

Guys I may need help, help to push through and do it, all I want to do is ..ffs I'm a grown woman!

Hush, we know your pain. 

_{"Come on, you're grown woman" - that was the thing I heared from my husband when he came home to see me in a company of sauvignon and ice cream bucket, sobbing over the videos.}

 

 

To be honest, I don't know if I want to finish the game again on subsequent playthroughs.  I'll probably just leave it right before the final battle with Cory.  I have no desire to play an end-game state with Solas gone.

 

I wanted to make a human Inquisitor in case Cullenmance and all that fluff will fill the void... And I made Lavellan again. Guess who will be romanced? Riiiiight. 

[NeverlandHunter]

Guys I may need help, help to push through and do it, all I want to do is ..ffs I'm a grown woman!

You can do this! You have the strength. Just remember you can back to previous saves as much as you like.

[NeverlandHunter]

So this was posted on the main Solas thread by Cezelle. A lot people think it's something Solas painted of him and Lavellan. It's found in at least two places in the Skyhold, I think.

http://i.imgur.com/bMOi7JL.png

Other people say the wolf is a bear, and the fact one of these is found in Crestwood.... I don't know I thought it'd be interesting to post over here. What do you guys think? Solas a and Lavellan? Wolf or bear?

[Ajna]

I really wanted that to be the case, I even tried to will ears onto it, but it does look like a bear..I'm still intrigued by it though.  I'm also really happy that Lavellan is depicted as a deer since that's my totem animal, it's just another connection I have with her, which is extra painful...I still haven't done the temple..

[Ajna]

Bear is a protector, I do love Bear..

[Mims]

I am fairly certain it is a bear. If you look at the lips and the nose- that is pretty distinctly a bear's lips and nose. Wolves don't really have lips that they can 'puff' out like that. Then there's also the back hump, another quality that is pretty distinctly a bear feature. 

 

Since it is always present, it is more likely a reference to the Bear and the Maiden Fair. 

[Nerillin]

Looks like a bear to me (trust me, I'm Russian )

It may also be some reference to this legend:

 

The twins Falon'Din and Dirthamen are the eldest children of Elgar'nan the All-Father and Mythal the Protector. The brothers were inseparable from the moment of their conception, known for their great love for each other. That is why we often speak of Falon'Din in one breath and Dirthamen the next, for they cannot bear to be apart, not even in our tales.

 

When the world was young, the gods often walked the earth, and Falon'Din and Dirthamen were no exception. Both were delighted by the many wonders of our earth. They played with the animals, whispered to the trees, and bathed in the lakes and streams. Their days were filled with bliss, and they did not know sorrow.

 

And then one day, while passing through the forest, Falon'Din and Dirthamen came across an old and sickly deer resting beneath a tree. "Why do you sit so still, little sister?" asked Falon'Din.

 

"Play with us," said Dirthamen.

 

"Alas," spoke the deer, "I cannot. I am old, and although I wish to go to my rest, my legs can no longer carry me."

 

Taking pity on the deer, Falon'Din gathered her up into his arms and carried her to her rest beyond the Veil. Dirthamen tried to follow them, but the shifting grey paths beyond the Veil would not let him. Separated for the first time from Falon'Din, Dirthamen wandered aimlessly till he came across two ravens.

 

"You are lost, and soon you will fade," the raven named Fear said to Dirthamen.

 

"Your brother has abandoned you. He no longer loves you," said the other, named Deceit

 

"I am not lost, and Falon'Din has not abandoned me," replied Dirthamen. He subdued the ravens and bade them carry him to Falon'Din. This they did, for they had been defeated and were now bound to Dirthamen's service.

 

When Dirthamen found Falon'Din, he found also the deer, who once again was light on her feet, for her spirit was released from her weakened body. Both Falon'Din and Dirthamen rejoiced to see this. Falon'Din vowed that he would remain to carry all the dead to their place Beyond, just as he did the deer. And Dirthamen stayed with him, for the twins cannot bear to be apart.

 

--From "The Story of Falon'Din and Dirthamen", as told by Gisharel, keeper of the Ralaferin clan of the Dalish elves.

 

And why a bear? Well, Dirthamen liked bears:

"No beast is more beloved by Dirthamen than the bear. When the world was new, Dirthamen gave one secret to each creature to keep. The foxes traded their secrets to Andruil for wings. The hares shouted theirs to the treetops. The birds sold theirs for gold and silver. Only the bears kept Dirthamen's gift, deep within their dens, they slept the months away in the company of their secrets and nothing else.

When Dirthamen discovered what had been done with his gifts, he snatched the wings from the foxes, silenced the voices of the hares, and turned the birds into paupers. but the bears he honored for their steadfastness."

 

[NeverlandHunter]

I really wanted that to be the case, I even tried to will ears onto it, but it does look like a bear..I'm still intrigued by it though.  I'm also really happy that Lavellan is depicted as a deer since that's my totem animal, it's just another connection I have with her, which is extra painful...I still haven't done the temple..

Haha you can do the temple Ajna, but if you don't want to do it now don't feel rushed. I'm sure you still have plenty of side quests.

How did willing ears go? I think I've managed to produce stumps with my willing abilities.

I agree it looks like a bear though. There's a Elven god of secrets who's sacred animal is a bear. If I am not mistaken.

I'm not a big "deer as representing my Lavellan" myself. I picture my Lavellan's animal equivalent is something with fangs.

[Ajna]

Haha you can do the temple Ajna, but if you don't want to do it now don't feel rushed. I'm sure you still have plenty of side quests.

How did willing ears go? I think I've managed to produce stumps with my willing abilities.

I agree it looks like a bear though. There's a Elven god of secrets who's sacred animal is a bear. If I am not mistaken.

I'm not a big "deer as representing my Lavellan" myself. I picture my Lavellan's animal equivalent is something with fangs.

Didn't work...still looked like a bear...

[NeverlandHunter]

I am fairly certain it is a bear. If you look at the lips and the nose- that is pretty distinctly a bear's lips and nose. Wolves don't really have lips that they can 'puff' out like that. Then there's also the back hump, another quality that is pretty distinctly a bear feature. 
 
Since it is always present, it is more likely a reference to the Bear and the Maiden Fair. 

Bless you, I love ASOIAF.

A bear there was, a bear, a bear!
all black and brown, and covered with hair.
The bear! The bear!
Oh come they said, oh come to the fair!
The fair? Said he, but I'm a bear!
All black and brown, and covered with hair!
And down the road from here to there.
From here! To there!
Three boys, a goat and a dancing bear!
They danced and spun, all the way to the fair!
The fair! The fair!
Oh, sweet she was, and pure and fair!
The maid with honey in her hair!
Her hair! Her hair!
The maid with honey in her hair!
The bear smelled the scent on the summer air.
The bear! The bear!
All black and brown and covered with hair!
He smelled the scent on the summer air!
He sniffed and roared and smelled it there!
Honey on the summer air!
Oh, I'm a maid, and I'm pure and fair!
I'll never dance with a hairy bear!
A bear! A bear!
I'll never dance with a hairy bear!
The bear, the bear!
Lifted her high into the air!
The bear! The bear!
I called for a knight, but you're a bear!
A bear, a bear!
All black and brown and covered with hair
She kicked and wailed, the maid so fair,
But he licked the honey from her hair.
Her hair! Her hair!
He licked the honey from her hair!
Then she sighed and squealed and kicked the air!
My bear! She sang. My bear so fair!
And off they went, from here to there,
The bear, the bear, and the maiden fair.

Haha still I think it's probably a bit obscure to be a ASOIAF reference.

[NeverlandHunter]

Looks like a bear to me (trust me, I'm Russian )
It may also be some reference to this legend:

 
And why a bear? Well, Dirthamen liked bears:

Awesome! Thank you from those of us to lazy (myself) to find and post this!

[NeverlandHunter]

Didn't work...still looked like a bear...

Okay Ajna (is it Ajj-na or Ai-na or something else? Uh sorry, getting distracted... doesn't really matter). Spin around the number of times you squealed out loud at a Solas scene, then look at the picture again through your right while shaking your head up and down.

Is it a wolf now?

[Ajna]

[NeverlandHunter]

*runs away quickly and yells back "this is why we don't listen to strangers on the internet!"*

[Roxy]

That would be nice but given that he appears to be planning to "fix" whatever went wrong that resulted in the world not being in what he wanted it to be, I expect that whatever he does will do more harm than good. Regardless of how bad he appears to feel about it, he does kill Flemeth/Mythal because his people "need" him. Also remember that his last attempt to do... whatever it was involved giving the orb to Corypheus. He hasn't shown particularly good judgement so far.

 

That closure may well be having to kill him to keep him from "helping" any more.

 

Well with what ever he is trying to "fix" probably isn't to destroy the whole world. From what I've seen with Solas he want's to help people,do Good. Are you so darn eager to kill him or something? We don't know the whole story of him yet . Also I have said time and time again if you people want that sad dramatic ending go for it but I will and certainly others will be very livid if we don't get some sort of good ending and answers from him (which I think we will get). Plus Solas was weak when he gave Cory his orb why do you think he's helping to fix things if he is so evil why would he even help?

 

There is more to his story and I think we will get it in the near future, we might not know what it is at the moment but I don't think it's something evil. Yes he killed Flemeth but she looked like she let him do it willingly why? We don't know and hopefully we will get some answers one day soon. "That closure may well be having to kill him to keep him from "helping" any more."  <-------Your opinion is welcomed but I don't agree. The reason being is because I love DA games they give you choices "Happy ending" or Sad ending"  we didn't get any of that at the end he just broke up with our Lavellan and left with no explanation. I don't think he is planning on doing something evil he says he wants to help his people. 

 

 

Some of you want your gloomy ending,you want to kill Solas when we don't even know the answers yet go for it but I don't like that I don't want that choice. I also have heard Solas say they aren't gods so I don't know why people keep calling him a god.....

[scintilla]

I don't want to kill him. I also don't think he's evil. But he didn't need to be evil to give Corypheus the orb and nearly destroy the world. He doesn't need to be evil to cause harm. He just has to be willing to do it if it will achieve his goals.

 

I really don't think that this is a story that's bound for a happy ending. I would be very happy if it could have a happy ending but I don't think that's where it's going.

 

It looks like he may not be back at all actually. I just talked to Cole for the first time after the end and there's this:

 

"I'm sorry, Cole, but with your gift, I fear that you might see the path I now have to walk in solitude forever. This fate is mine alone. Indeed, I would not wish it on an enemy, much less someone that I once cared for. Though you reach out in compassion, I must now insist that you forget."

[Mims]

At this point, I wouldn't lock your thoughts into one outcome or another. We can certainly hope and guess, but there's just no way to know where the story will go. Its fun to speculate!

 

But I worry that anyone hoping for X ending, whether that's a happy one or a sad one, might be setting themselves up for disappointment.