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[fasyn]

So I've spent a few hours re building my choices between DA and DA2 as they didn't even remotely represent my decisions beyond class and cosmetics. It's beta, I fixed it whatever. While going through everything, and researching what some choices were again, it felt like all the I put into the previous games were, well pointless. All the time spent to unlock special dialogue options (ex. get Alliastar to become king, marry Anora whilst allowing Lohgain to live or even the foursome scenario(well I guess this doesn't show in the keep)) are now just handed to everyone.

 

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the keep, especially with things like the Nathinal quest bug in DA2. I do however feel like some options should be locked unless either a.) You've uploaded a save that achieved a particular scenario/ actually purchased the DLC or b.) Unlock these scenarios(tile choices) by meeting some requirement whilst playing through inquisition or a potential future title.

 

Anyone else feel this way? I guess apart from not having our previous characters not present in a meaningful way in inquisition, this is probably one of the bigger things that makes our previous experience seem much less personal.

[Senjougahara Hitagi]

Another person that missed the "Keep doesn't import your saves."? Welcome. What you are asking for cannot be done. The Keep has no way of recognizing what you did and what you did not.

[DinX64]

So you want those who either are new to the series or those who lost their saves or moving to new consoles to be punished?

I don't agree because since their syncing Origins and II doesn't work properly yet.(My DLC and Items aren't not recorded in the Keep).

Might as well created a comic in the beginning of DA:I a la Mass Effect 2 and 3(I hated the comic)

[DAJB]

Hawke is present in DA:I. And he/she will be customisable in-game.

 

Otherwise, no, I feel the Keep is there precisely to ensure that our decisions in the previous game ARE properly reflected in DA:I. We won't know for another week or so (nearly two for those of us in the UK  ) but - assuming it all works as intended - the Keep should make DA:I feel far MORE personalised than a simple save import could. I have my fingers tightly crossed!

[Evamitchelle]

So I've spent a few hours re building my choices between DA and DA2 as they didn't even remotely represent my decisions beyond class and cosmetics. It's beta, I fixed it whatever. While going through everything, and researching what some choices were again, it felt like all the I put into the previous games were, well pointless. All the time spent to unlock special dialogue options (ex. get Alliastar to become king, marry Anora whilst allowing Lohgain to live or even the foursome scenario(well I guess this doesn't show in the keep)) are now just handed to everyone.

 

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the keep, especially with things like the Nathinal quest bug in DA2. I do however feel like some options should be locked unless either a.) You've uploaded a save that achieved a particular scenario/ actually purchased the DLC or b.) Unlock these scenarios(tile choices) by meeting some requirement whilst playing through inquisition or a potential future title.

 

Anyone else feel this way? I guess apart from not having our previous characters not present in a meaningful way in inquisition, this is probably one of the bigger things that makes our previous experience seem much less personal.

 

I really don't agree with this point of view.

 

I didn't buy all the Origins and DA2 DLC because I wanted to unlock special options in the Keep, I bought them because I actually wanted to play them too. And if you're worried about choices being trivialized, locking options behind a paywall is the surest way to make that happen. If not everybody could set the DLC choices then that content would be unlikely to be referenced in future games at all.

 

I also don't like the idea of tying Keep choices with what you did in-game. What if you lost all your saves, or played on a different platform, or just picked up DAI without having played previous games ? That would put a lot of people at great disadvantage just so people can feel their choices are 'special'. 

[Fardreamer]

That's a pretty selfish view you have, OP. All the work you put into origins and da2 are for those games, not for inquisition. I definitely don't mave my saves from what... Almost 10 years ago now? I played Origins extensively... Getting almost 100% achievements. You're saying I should lose all that work because I upgraded my system and lost my old saves?

[fasyn]

Another person that missed the "Keep doesn't import your saves."? Welcome. What you are asking for cannot be done. The Keep has no way of recognizing what you did and what you did not.

 I'm well aware of this, but theres a difference between analyzing choices made and importing a whole character. My impression was that syncing would pre fill the tapestry as accurately as it could saving me time going through everything (ex I wouldn't have to look up events that I've forgotten). Either way it's trivial.

 

I really don't agree with this point of view.

 

I didn't buy all the Origins and DA2 DLC because I wanted to unlock special options in the Keep, I bought them because I actually wanted to play them too. And if you're worried about choices being trivialized, locking options behind a paywall is the surest way to make that happen. If not everybody could set the DLC choices then that content would be unlikely to be referenced in future games at all.

 

I also don't like the idea of tying Keep choices with what you did in-game. What if you lost all your saves, or played on a different platform, or just picked up DAI without having played previous games ? That would put a lot of people at great disadvantage just so people can feel their choices are 'special'. 

 

I'm not saying to lock them behind a paywall, my suggestion was that you unlock more choices from having completed (insert whatever) or unlocking them as you play through another title. I should clarify, I'm only reffering to the FEW choices that require extensive work to achieve (I.e dialogue that requires a hardened Leliana), not the ones handed to you regardless of what you do.

[Evamitchelle]

I'm not saying to lock them behind a paywall, my suggestion was that you unlock more choices from having completed (insert whatever) or unlocking them as you play through another title. I should clarify, I'm only reffering to the FEW choices that require extensive work to achieve (I.e dialogue that requires a hardened Leliana), not the ones handed to you regardless of what you do.

 

Only allowing people who bought DLC to set those choices in the Keep kinda is locking it behind a paywall. 

 

And you haven't addressed the other issue. What about people who lost their saves or traded platforms, should they be locked out of those choices because of technical issues ?

[fasyn]

DA:I feel far MORE personalised than a simple save import could.

 

I'm referring moreso to sentimental value. Personalization is there for sure, but it's like having to replace a gift from a significant other, it may be the same but it's not.

[fasyn]

Only allowing people who bought DLC to set those choices in the Keep kinda is locking it behind a paywall. 

 

And you haven't addressed the other issue. What about people who lost their saves or traded platforms, should they be locked out of those choices because of technical issues ?

 

Re paywall : (please take note of the "OR")

"Unless either a.) You've uploaded a save that achieved a particular scenario/ actually purchased the DLC or b.) Unlock these scenarios(tile choices) by meeting some requirement whilst playing through inquisition or a potential future title" 

[fasyn]

Only allowing people who bought DLC to set those choices in the Keep kinda is locking it behind a paywall. 

 

And you haven't addressed the other issue. What about people who lost their saves or traded platforms, should they be locked out of those choices because of technical issues ?

 

Traded platforms? Forgive me if I'm wrong (I only play on PC) but didn't the consoles upload/ couldn't they now upload their saves(via patch if they need to)? As for losing your save files, I have no idea.

[DAJB]

Traded platforms? Forgive me if I'm wrong (I only play on PC) but didn't the consoles upload/ couldn't they now upload their saves(via patch if they need to)? As for losing your save files, I have no idea.

Yes, the consoles could import saves from one game to the next (although they could be almost as buggy as the PC saves!)

 

By "traded platforms" I think the reference is to the fact that the new gen of consoles were released about a year ago so a lot of XBox 360 and PS3 players will be playing DA:I on XBox One or PS4. And then there are the people who have switched allegiance from XBox to Playstation (or vice versa), or have decided to go to PC, or even PC players who have switched to consoles since DA2. A lot has happened in the last 12 months! 

[Evamitchelle]

Re paywall : (please take note of the "OR")

"Unless either a.) You've uploaded a save that achieved a particular scenario/ actually purchased the DLC or b.) Unlock these scenarios(tile choices) by meeting some requirement whilst playing through inquisition or a potential future title" 

 

Yeah I skipped the "or" when I first read it, which makes what you're asking more reasonable, but I don't see how reverse-unlocking would work. How can you unlock something that affects Inquisition when you are playing Inquisition ? If you hide the possible choices from the Keep a lot of people wouldn't even realized that they've missed anything.

 

Traded platforms? Forgive me if I'm wrong (I only play on PC) but didn't the consoles upload/ couldn't they now upload their saves(via patch if they need to)? As for losing your save files, I have no idea.

 

Uploading saves to the Keep was never an option. Originally you uploaded some basic character information to the BSN, and the Keep would upload the characters from there. Checking saves is currently only possible on the same platform, aka you can only import a DAO save into DA2 if you played both on the same platform (PC, Xbox 360, PS3). 

[Senjougahara Hitagi]

Uploading saves to the Keep was never an option. Originally you uploaded some basic character information to the BSN, and the Keep would upload the characters from there. Checking saves is currently only possible on the same platform, aka you can only import a DAO save into DA2 if you played both on the same platform (PC, Xbox 360, PS3). 

 

The games actually also uploads the story.xml file that stores all the decisions (or it should) to the BSN. The Keep doesn't interact with that one though.    

[Evamitchelle]

The games actually also uploads the story.xml file that stores all the decisions (or it should) to the BSN. The Keep doesn't interact with that one though.    

 

But unless I overlooked something it only did that for DAO, and it recorded quests but I don't think it was importing the specific 'hard to get' options the OP is mentioning like hardening Leliana or not. 

[fasyn]

Yes, the consoles could import saves from one game to the next (although they could be almost as buggy as the PC saves!)

 

By "traded platforms" I think the reference is to the fact that the new gen of consoles were released about a year ago so a lot of XBox 360 and PS3 players will be playing DA:I on XBox One or PS4. And then there are the people who have switched allegiance from XBox to Playstation (or vice versa), or have decided to go to PC, or even PC players who have switched to consoles since DA2. A lot has happened in the last 12 months! 

 Ah, I was assuming they would have uploaded to the Origin servers with updates much like the PC versions had after updating.

[Senjougahara Hitagi]

 Ah, I was assuming they would have uploaded to the Origin servers with updates much like the PC versions had after updating.

 

Not even the Origin version of DA:O and DA2 uploads the actual saves online. 

[fasyn]

Not even the Origin version of DA:O and DA2 uploads the actual saves online. 

 

https://www.origin.c...g-cloud-storage

[Tenz83]

I think the only thing that save import could serve at this point is add stuff that doesn't impact the tapestry like extra dialogue in ISS, secret tile art, inquisition music to download, or special backgrounds for the Keep.

And even then you can use the points of the sync data to do that stuff anyway instead of importing a save file

[Senjougahara Hitagi]

https://www.origin.c...g-cloud-storage

 

Yeah, but not every game supports that (don't ask me why). You can check for yourself. If you go to the details of the game in your Library, there is a special "Cloud Storage" tab when the game supports this feature. DAO and DA2 don't have this. 

[Evamitchelle]

https://www.origin.c...g-cloud-storage

 

Also DAO and DA2 came out before Origin, so a lot of people would have finished the games before this was even an option. 

[fasyn]

Yeah, but not every game supports that (don't ask me why). You can check for yourself. If you go to the details of the game in your Library, there is a special "Cloud Storage" tab when the game supports this feature. DAO and DA2 don't have this. 

 

Wow that is weird, I recently re installed both titles and assumed it had it as I found my save files. I guess I just never deleted my save folder(I had a backup regardless).

[Arcling]

"Unless either a.) You've uploaded a save that achieved a particular scenario/ actually purchased the DLC or b.) Unlock these scenarios(tile choices) by meeting some requirement whilst playing through inquisition or a potential future title" 

Choices were never recorded online and Keep isn't a tool for save import, it's for (re)creating your world state. Here is the reason why - bugs. Many choices weren't set correctly in save files and with Keep you can change it into what you want or what you did. In my opinion Keep is good as it is. No need to lock some options from others, especially for those who had bugged saved, lost them or were playing on different platform.

[Devil's Avocado]

https://www.origin.c...g-cloud-storage

Also to everyone's comments that would only be possible for the PC version while the console versions aren't capable of uploading saves. They would have wasted money building two import systems.

[rprm1987]

In conclusion to all above posts the Keep works better.