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Unlocked the seal and "killed" the prisoner.


As far as I know, Corypheus would not be out and about without Hawke and Legacy. Just because Hawke "Killed" Corypheus does not mean that he/she did not cause Corypheus to be out and about causing all this.

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Does no one remember that the seals for Cory's prison were actually weakening? His escape was going to happen regardless. Only difference is that Janeka caused Hawke and co. to be trapped down there. The cut scene that plays afterward has the same problem of some of the cut scenes we get in Dragon Age: Origins. It gives the players hints or information that the character couldn't possibly know for certain.


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As far as I know, Corypheus would not be out and about without Hawke and Legacy. Just because Hawke "Killed" Corypheus does not mean that he/she did not cause Corypheus to be out and about causing all this.

Regardless of Hawke's involvement, it would've happened anyway and faulting Hakwe for unlocking the seal ahead of time and attempting to finish off whatever was seeking him/her out in his house, Is hardly a reason to lay the blame on his feet. 

 

"Yeah, I'll just leave this prisoner here whose sending assassin's into my house and stuff. Totally reasonable"


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Regardless of Hawke's involvement, it would've happened anyway and faulting Hakwe for unlocking the seal ahead of time and attempting to finish off whatever was seeking him/her out in his house, Is hardly a reason to lay the blame on his feet. 
 
"Yeah, I'll just leave this prisoner here whose sending assassin's into my house and stuff. Totally reasonable"


Hawke had no reason to be there at all. Hawke made the choice himself/herself. If you want to get technical, Hawke is the catalyst for the whole mess in inquisition. Likely Bartrand might not have been able to get into the Deep Roads because of lack of funding or lack of Anders being cooperative. Anders might not have gotten his ingredients for his bomb. Hawke was the one that was the catalyst for all that had happened, whether they would have happened without Hawke or not.

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Hawke had no reason to be there at all. Hawke made the choice himself/herself. If you want to get technical, Hawke is the catalyst for the whole mess in inquisition. Likely Bartrand might not have been able to get into the Deep Roads because of lack of funding or lack of Anders being cooperative. Anders might not have gotten his ingredients for his bomb. Hawke was the one that was the catalyst for all that had happened, whether they would have happened without Hawke or not.

Wow, you are really reaching for reasons to blame Hawke. If people were sending assassins to kill me and my family, I'm not gonna sit on my hands waiting for them to finish the job. Also the seals were weakening regardless. Plus if you wanna get technical its the Warden's fault for making Hawke's dad Malcolm seal Corypheus in the 1st place, which would then result in only Malcolm's child's blood being able to release him. As for everything else you mentioned, like I said really "reaching" for a reason to blame Hawke there. Why not blame the Warden for the 5th blight while we're at it.


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#131
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Hawke had no reason to be there at all. Hawke made the choice himself/herself. If you want to get technical, Hawke is the catalyst for the whole mess in inquisition. Likely Bartrand might not have been able to get into the Deep Roads because of lack of funding or lack of Anders being cooperative. Anders might not have gotten his ingredients for his bomb. Hawke was the one that was the catalyst for all that had happened, whether they would have happened without Hawke or not.

 

Did you actually play Legacy? Because the first statement is patently false. Hawke didn't go to that place for some excursion or something. Both she and sibling were being pursued by Carta dwarves, and Varric provided information that led them there. As far as any of them knew, they were investigating attacks from the Carta.

 

If you actually want to get technical, the Grey Warden Janeka is to blame, because she set the trap. She sent the dwarves. She had big plans for Corypheus.


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Wow, you are really reaching for reasons to blame Hawke. If people were sending assassins to kill me and my family, I'm not gonna sit on my hands waiting for them to finish the job. Also the seals were weakening regardless. Plus if you wanna get technical its the Warden's fault for making Hawke's dad Malcolm seal Corypheus in the 1st place, which would then result in only Malcolm's child's blood being able to release him. As for everything else you mentioned, like I said really "reaching" for a reason to blame Hawke there. Why not blame the Warden for the 5th blight while we're at it.


Think of it this way: Would Anders have been able to blow up the Chantry had Hawke not been around? Would Meredith have the Red Lyrium Sword without the expedition that Hawke funded. Hawke was there, Hawke broke the seals, whether or not the seals were weakening.



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Not to mention at least, this way, the people of Thedas had some warning.  Could we just imagine what happened or would have happened had Corphy been allowed to gain full power WITHOUT Hawke's intevention, and then being able to blab about the fact afterwards?  Sure, on the flip side Hawke probably moved up that time table by X amount of time but it would have still happened. 



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If Bioware had just told us that corypheus is the big bad right from the get go and not made us think that "the elder one" is something new and unprecedented then I wouldn't be underwhelmed.



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Think of it this way: Would Anders have been able to blow up the Chantry had Hawke not been around? Would Meredith have the Red Lyrium Sword without the expedition that Hawke funded. Hawke was there, Hawke broke the seals, whether or not the seals were weakening.

You can kick Anders out oft he group in act 2, he will still blow up the Chantry later in act 3. You where saying?


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#136
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IT was a joke, everyone.

*facepalm*
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I think The Elder One has yet to reveal himself and Cory is his Herald. If he is trying to bring back Old Tevintir, that would include the Old Golds, which means the Elder One is an Old God, or posing as one to get Gory to do what he wants.



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Think of it this way: Would Anders have been able to blow up the Chantry had Hawke not been around? Would Meredith have the Red Lyrium Sword without the expedition that Hawke funded. Hawke was there, Hawke broke the seals, whether or not the seals were weakening.

1 Hawke can decide not to let Anders get the ingredients,or he/she can kick anders out of the group.it is not necessarily Hawkes fault.

 

Besides,other characters presumably  have free will,why do we blame Hawke for their actions?

 

2Bartrand not only funded the expedition,he discovered the thaig and planned the expedition long before hawke arrived.Bartrand stole the idol and trapped hawke and co in the primeval thaig.Bartrand could have done a million things with the idol but he ended up selling it to the knight commander.

It's Bartrands fault,not Hawkes.

 

3Hawkes family was being attacked by the carta who were being used by Janeka who wanted to free corypheus and control him.

 

When they went to investigate they got trapped in an ancient prison filled with darkspawn.The only way out was through Corypheus.

 

It's ultimately Janekas fault,if Hawke had done nothing they would have eventually killed him/her or his/her sibling and they would have opened it anyway.If they failed to obtain the blood Corypheus would have escaped eventually.



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IT was a joke, everyone.

*facepalm*

 

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Lelianna being alive is not cannon too, you can kill her on DA: Origins (with some decisions you are actually FORCED to kill her) and the Keep even specifically state the option of Leliana being dead. Guess what? They not only had her appearing on DA: 2, but they also have based an entire game around her presence as a very importan character and one of the 3 councerlors, why wouldn´t they do the same for OGB? Killing Flemmenth on DA Origins was an optional quest too and guess what? She still survives no matter what you did thanks to the ritual Hawke performs on one of the main quest in DA 2. It is a matter of being creative with the approach to the OGB.

 

I think OGB should (because he is very interesting) and will be a cannon character, the difference being if The Warden, Alistair or Loghain are his fathers or not depending on your choices, and to a lesser extend, if he has the soul of Urthemiel or if the Old God soul he has belongs to another Old God/Archdemon, they can make up any justification for this considering that, as far as I understand, Cory stills hear the voice of Dumat even with that Old God being killed on the First Blight

 

I had this discussion in another thread.  Leliana being 'dead' is because the warden attacks her at the temple of sacred ashes.  Not a part of the canon of the game, but a choice made at the heart of a mountain full of Lyrium, spirits and true faith.  There is no cutscene where the warden lops off her head, it's a combat mechanic if you get a finishing blow on her.

 

Perhaps she will have something to say (I'm importing a state where she is supposed to be 'dead').  Perhaps she won't.  Leliana being 'dead' isn't a game breaker since only a small set of circumstances can lead to it, unlike the OGB which is a major decision.

 

Flemeth is alive because of something she has Hawke do for her, not a retcon.  That's not creative, that's anticipation of the event.

 

How the hell is Morrigan supposed to be pregnant with the OGB when the ritual isn't done?  That's completely game breaking, and hardly a comparable situation to the Leliana or Flemeth situations.  In 2 of my 5 world states there is no OGB.  Are we just to assume that the warden's (or Alistair/Loghain's) death was a pointless 'just kidding' :huh: moment?