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[Jacksper]

Now, assuming that the carried-over specializations (like Templar, Reaver, Blood Mage, etc...) are present for both warriors/mages whichever your Warden/Hawke was.  And the fact that combat in Dragon Age II has been revised and thus if you choose either combat style (either from origins or 2) then it must be carried over (or brought back) to the latter or previous characters.  Then who do you think would win based off of a few examples such as: Feats, experience, natural skill, unnatural skill and specific abilities?

 

I am of course eliminating any specializations from the later Expansion Packs and Downloadable Content for Dragon Age: Origins (Like Keeper, etc...) to make this a more fair fight.

 

And of course this is an opinion based thread, I posted it after I couldn't find one like this on any other type of forums on this site. (Sorry if I didn't find what may or may not be obvious.)  

 

IMO:

 

I like Hawke, she's cool (My favorite character that I made is Oriana Hawke, a two-handed mace wielding badass).  She could probably knock the Warden around quite a bit.  But alas I must say, the idea of fighting hordes of Darkspawn, uniting a fractured nation that was on the brink of war, and ultimately giving one's life to save his (Rolyn Amell's my mage Warden) son, just makes Rolyn a bit cooler and to me, more powerful.

 

I understand that Hawke fought tons of insanely powerful foes, but I doubt many blood mages surpass actual demons (which the Warden came into contact with.)  And if they do, the Darkspawn have unique magic of their own, that the Warden came into contact with on a regular basis.  So fighting against that, and besting Ogres as just part of "being a hero" whilst saving a nation through his sheer force of will made Rolyn not only my favorite, but also one of the most powerful PC characters that I have had the pleasure of playing with.  (Yes not technically the most powerful, because other games have different levels and tiers of strength, but I mean power as in the feeling you get when you save a world from destruction and death.)

 

Not to say that Oriana wouldn't be able to take him, she is in fact a templar.  (Which is actually why I thought of asking this, Mage vs Templar, Warden/Hawke vs Hawke/Warden).  If these two clashed it would be a close battle.  But to me, a champion of Kirkwall such as Oriana, (or any other champion) simply doesn't stand up to a Hero of Ferelden.

 

Sorry if I offended.

 

But I'd like to hear other's opinions.  Maybe you can share some sides of this plausible battle (or your own experiences in the lore of Dragon Age) in which you would think differently on the subject.  Or maybe you think the same way, doesn't matter. Please reply!   

[Commander Michael]

Both my DAO and DA2 characters were female mages who specialized in Entropy and Blood Magic.

 

My psycho Warden would destroy my aggressive Hawke.

[WarriorOfLight999]

I tend to rather avoid pissing contests between my heroes. Power proves nothing. It's interesting to see how they would react to one another, however.

[JAZZ_LEG3ND]

The Warden was a hero. A skilled warrior, or powerful mage, etc. but universally, the Warden was young, valiant, sure, there's no courage without fear, and the Warden was perhaps an exemplar of this, but in my experience, the Warden's truest strength was on the inside. This is heavily influenced by how I played, obviously, but just looking at the animations and allotted responses, the Warden was not a hardened warrior. S/he began as a rather clueless Gray Warden, forged into an accomplished warrior by the fires of necessity, and fought blood, sweat, and tears, to the end, because there was no other choice.

Hawke, on the other hand. Hawke is a rebel, a mage, a hero, a champion, and a villain. Hawke is a hardened warrior of more than ten years. She (my Hawke was 'she') fights for family, for friends, for home, and for self. Hawke killed Darkspawn, bested an Arishok in single combat, vanquished a demonic magister, and walked from one city’s Armageddon with two monsters slain at her feet. For Hawke, battle isn't a necessity, it's a way of life. She is strong on the inside, yes, but unlike the Warden, she is hard as nails.

Where the Warden leads the vanguard and fights back-to-back with comrades to win the day with vigour and morale, Hawke would challenge an entire army. If you heard Varric tell the story, Hawke bottlenecked the horde at the city gates and slew the lot of them. But Varric is known to exaggerate. In truth, she entered the fight knowing she only had to kill half, after that the remainder would turn tail and run.

If the Warden and Hawke crossed paths and fought, Hawke would win not because the Warden isn’t capable, but because in single combat, no one does it better. Hawke always goes on, her family dead, two gone right in her arms, her city fallen, her friends separated, all she has is the skill to take life better than anyone else. She understands that everyone’s the best until she puts them in the ground. The Warden would be no exception.

[Lord Raijin]

My Warden fought and successfully defeat the archdemon including countless of Darkspawn. What did my Hawke do during the blight? Run and seek shelter. Went to Kirkwall and later on fought a crazy Knight-Commander. It's safe to say that my Warden could easily defeat my Hawke in no time.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 While my Hawkes are good, my Warden is just crazy good. Dalish lead hunter, Grey Warden, drank Avernus's power-of-blood potion, drank "Andraste's" (Dragon) blood, can call upon wildlife, learned assassin skills from Zevran, trained with Legion of the Dead scouts after the Blight...
 
Yeah, my Warden is a freak of nature.

[thats1evildude]

Ah, the old Hawke/Warden pissing contest. Look, both have slain scores of darkspawn, demons, bandits and beasts. They've also each taken down some common foes. Each of them have slain a high dragon, one of the Forbidden Ones, a varterral and a Harvester.

 

And while Meredith might not have commanded an army of darkspawn, the lyrium idol made her pretty godlike in strength. Every single one of your companions (plus Cullen) team up to bring her down. In contrast, I brought down the Archdemon with a party of four.

 

I would give the edge to my post-Awakening Warden if only because Awakening pushed him into ludicrously broken territory, but it's a pretty fair fight.

[Sinuphro]

My warden could intimidate demons; even make some demons forcefully unpossess its host because they know if the start sht with the warden he or she will roll em and mount em in the grey warden fortress;My Hawke?? Nope; can't do that.

 

Also, my grey warden is so badass, architect had to beg my aid. My hawke? Corypheus or the other special boss didn't care about my hawke. He was just another peon to them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

yea; my warden will wtfpwn my hawke; even with barehands!

[SwobyJ]

The Warden was a hero. A skilled warrior, or powerful mage, etc. but universally, the Warden was young, valiant, sure, there's no courage without fear, and the Warden was perhaps an exemplar of this, but in my experience, the Warden's truest strength was on the inside. This is heavily influenced by how I played, obviously, but just looking at the animations and allotted responses, the Warden was not a hardened warrior. S/he began as a rather clueless Gray Warden, forged into an accomplished warrior by the fires of necessity, and fought blood, sweat, and tears, to the end, because there was no other choice.

Hawke, on the other hand. Hawke is a rebel, a mage, a hero, a champion, and a villain. Hawke is a hardened warrior of more than ten years. She (my Hawke was 'she') fights for family, for friends, for home, and for self. Hawke killed Darkspawn, bested an Arishok in single combat, vanquished a demonic magister, and walked from one city’s Armageddon with two monsters slain at her feet. For Hawke, battle isn't a necessity, it's a way of life. She is strong on the inside, yes, but unlike the Warden, she is hard as nails.

Where the Warden leads the vanguard and fights back-to-back with comrades to win the day with vigour and morale, Hawke would challenge an entire army. If you heard Varric tell the story, Hawke bottlenecked the horde at the city gates and slew the lot of them. But Varric is known to exaggerate. In truth, she entered the fight knowing she only had to kill half, after that the remainder would turn tail and run.

If the Warden and Hawke crossed paths and fought, Hawke would win not because the Warden isn’t capable, but because in single combat, no one does it better. Hawke always goes on, her family dead, two gone right in her arms, her city fallen, her friends separated, all she has is the skill to take life better than anyone else. She understands that everyone’s the best until she puts them in the ground. The Warden would be no exception.

 

I love this post. And I'm not even a Hawke fan. I have to agree. I think Hawke is a more powerful single combatant.

 

But if we pitched DAO teams vs DA2 teams, yes, I'd give it to the Warden. The DAO team is classic, true legends, even if not of all of Thedas but more of a southern Thedas/Wardens/Ferelden legend. Hawke's team had an emphasis on the 'ragtag' and that really never left. I don't count on them working well enough together and having strong enough powers together to beat the Warden's team.

 

I'd bet the Inquisitor's team would beat them all, and the Inquisitor would possibly beat either protagonist in single combat. This may be Bioware's way of stepping up the power levels. But we'll see.

 

 

EDIT: I'm going more by the central story tone, animations (as characters in scenes, not really combat), and most of the convo options, stuff like that.

OH, and I want to note that since the protagonists are rarely alone during their journeys that we experience, their 'one on one'ness doesn't matter very much. So I'd still say the Warden is 'better', and that's all that really matters, even if I'd consider Hawke to be an overall stronger person, albeit a much more underestimated person.

 

Basically, the Warden is better because of his journey, while Hawke is more naturally gifted yet doesn't progress as much in his journey, putting both at relatively equal levels, but I'd have to bet on Hawke when it comes to a direct WardenVSHawke fight. If the Warden wins, he'd have to pull out all his skills - and to his credit, I'd say the Warden acquires plenty of skills that go beyond Hawke's strength.

[DragonSailor]

Well, my dual wielding rogue warden was basically a god by the time I finished awakening... But my dual wielding rogue Hawke has twin fangs, so that fight is pretty much even in my mind. Maybe a slight edge to the Warden.

 

As for my mages... My warden is almost always some kind of primal/spirit combo, picking up the most fun spells in both trees. She would wipe the floor with my mage Hawke, doing combos all by herself. Mages in DA2 are just a bit weaker, imo.

[Frogtoad51]

My Hawke was a good, sturdy, healer mage but she wouldn't stand a chance against my warden. My warden was a dwarven sword and shield templar. My warden kicked so much ass, he was the main tank and leading damager in my party.

[BroBear Berbil]

My blood mage/spirit healer Warden would wreck Hawke, especially a mage Hawke (mana clash).

[Jacksper]

Mages in DA2 are just a bit weaker, imo.

 

I totally noticed this.  In dragon age origins you have a crapton of spells at your disposal (and I'm not even counting Awakening or any other added bonuses yet.)  I kinda hope Bioware brings this array of ability back in DA: Inquisition.

 

 

The Warden was a hero. A skilled warrior, or powerful mage, etc. but universally, the Warden was young, valiant, sure, there's no courage without fear, and the Warden was perhaps an exemplar of this, but in my experience, the Warden's truest strength was on the inside. This is heavily influenced by how I played, obviously, but just looking at the animations and allotted responses, the Warden was not a hardened warrior. S/he began as a rather clueless Gray Warden, forged into an accomplished warrior by the fires of necessity, and fought blood, sweat, and tears, to the end, because there was no other choice.

Hawke, on the other hand. Hawke is a rebel, a mage, a hero, a champion, and a villain. Hawke is a hardened warrior of more than ten years. She (my Hawke was 'she') fights for family, for friends, for home, and for self. Hawke killed Darkspawn, bested an Arishok in single combat, vanquished a demonic magister, and walked from one city’s Armageddon with two monsters slain at her feet. For Hawke, battle isn't a necessity, it's a way of life. She is strong on the inside, yes, but unlike the Warden, she is hard as nails.

Where the Warden leads the vanguard and fights back-to-back with comrades to win the day with vigour and morale, Hawke would challenge an entire army. If you heard Varric tell the story, Hawke bottlenecked the horde at the city gates and slew the lot of them. But Varric is known to exaggerate. In truth, she entered the fight knowing she only had to kill half, after that the remainder would turn tail and run.

If the Warden and Hawke crossed paths and fought, Hawke would win not because the Warden isn’t capable, but because in single combat, no one does it better. Hawke always goes on, her family dead, two gone right in her arms, her city fallen, her friends separated, all she has is the skill to take life better than anyone else. She understands that everyone’s the best until she puts them in the ground. The Warden would be no exception.

 

I never really thought of it that way, but I can definitely see your point!  "You were chosen for this task because it must be done" is basically what Duncan says.  I think the Warden however is naturally talented beyond just the inside, but I do think it was his/her journey that shaped them most and the will to move forward is what made the Warden such a lovable character.  

 

Hawke is a badass, enough said, case closed.  If I wanted to give one some kind of award for being the biggest badass of Dragon Age, Hawke would win hands down.  s/he can mock someone with such calm before dispensing of them with ease.  It's almost unreal how the game makes you feel truly powerful with Hawke.  (I have not tried many of the specializations in DA: 2 because I am focusing on DA:O simply because I am fairly new to the series.) but the way Force mage looks, is amazing.  And of course s/he is tough as nails to see so many die (For my first Hawke that I didn't completely play through the story with, he put Aveline's husband to death, watched his sister get slammed to death by an Ogre, watched his brother get killed by the taint in the deep roads, and to put the cherry on top of the sad pie he got to watch a blood mage twist and mutate his mother's corpse).  But these failures didn't and would not have stopped Hawke... Even a Cousland warrior's story isn't that sad.

 

So I was mainly making this thread simply to get other people's ideas on their own specific Hawkes and Wardens, not necessarily Bioware's official take (or any other person's opinion on who they think are actually the most powerful). 

[Kenshen]

My warden would win with a combo of superior diplomatic skills and backstab.  First talk Hawke down and get them to turn their back then bam in with a crit backstab.  Then again my Hawke did defeat the Arishok in 1 on 1 combat by kiting him around that small room for 10 mins, that show some serious stamina.  Might be to close to call.

[qOjOp]

Flemeth have to save Hawke's life at the very begining of DA II....

My Warden slained Flemeth. That's right... SLAINED Flemeth.

Not only that, My Warden also SLAINED the ArchDemon! And lived to tell about it.

 

My Warden will  do a very nasty whoopass to Hawke. No question about it.

Sides, my Warden can do a classic Captain America pose and looked very heroic.

Hawke can't.....

 

 

 My Warden in a very heroic classic Captain America pose...

 

[Kenshen]

Flemeth saved your warden as well.  Who knew Flemeth was a first responder.

[qOjOp]

That's true...

But I think that Hawke do not have what it takes to bring Flemeth down.

I really highly doubt it...

...oh and Hawke can't do that pose either.

[Kenshen]

I disagree.  If you can kill a high dragon and Malvernis then you have a shot at dragon form Flemeth.  You are a force field user?

[Kersh]

Overall it's gotta be the Warden I mean you're Warden is literally like a living breathing God. Hawke is just very very strong.

My Dalish Mage Warden sepcifically wouldn't consider Hawke anything more than a nuisance.

By Awakening and the after after the Dalish Camp My Warden was a Arcane, Blood Mage without plate armor walking around with 1000 Health and never taking any dmg in fights bascially. The battles were boring to him because it was a easily win for him it was just long battles because enemies Health on Nightmare is so big but still my Warden never faltered or died.

Honestly I had to specialize into Spirit Healer in DA2 from how many times Hawke and the companies died on Nightmare.

 

Think about it though the Warden beat Monsters of Legend. Hawke beat a Brute, Old Crazy women, and a Old Crazy man.

Anything Hawke beat the Warden had already beat and more.  Granted Hawke beat a High Dragon but the High Dragon in Origins was much tougher plus Dragon Flemeth and Archdemon.

 

Also think about this The Warden was scary and strong enough that even the most badass demons wanted to negotiate with him instead of fighting and the only demon that wanted to barter with Hawke was a weak sloth demon.

[qOjOp]

I disagree.  If you can kill a high dragon and Malvernis then you have a shot at dragon form Flemeth.  You are a force field user?

 

mmm....force field user?...what is that actually? Does that have to do with Mages?

I never played as Mages. Just not for me I guess. Warrior or Rogue for me.

 

Okie...here's the thing...

When I played as Hawke, the bad guys that he fights with are not as Boss as what my Waden was fighting in Origins.

I mean, in Origins my Warden really did alot of serious whoopass to very tough fights with advesaries. The battle mechanics are much tougher

in Origins compared to DA II, that it gave a very deep impression on me that my Warden is a very tough sob...lol.

 

Hawke fights are not that hard though,imo...

Then again, may be it's just me...lol.

 

[Kenshen]

Force field is a mage ability that once cast on a target doesn't allow any damage, outgoing or incoming for 30 seconds I think.  It can make tough fights cheap.  I agree that DA2 combat didn't have that epicness to it like Origins did however in DA2 you can not ignore a mage on the battle field and I can't think of anything in origins that matches up with that nastiness. 

[Kradus9]

Arcane warrior rules all!

[qOjOp]

Force field is a mage ability that once cast on a target doesn't allow any damage, outgoing or incoming for 30 seconds I think.  It can make tough fights cheap.  I agree that DA2 combat didn't have that epicness to it like Origins did however in DA2 you can not ignore a mage on the battle field and I can't think of anything in origins that matches up with that nastiness.

Riiiiiight....mmm...may  be I should give being a mage in DA II a try then next time I decided to go back to Kirkwall...could be interesting.

[New Kid]

Two characters we created ourselves? I would assume who ever we made more powerful would win. My Warden was a healer primarily so my assassin Hawke would probably take him down.

[Captain Wiseass]

Leanora Hawke will probably beat Kloreth Surana, because she's willing to cheat.