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[Bardox9]

It's no comparison. Hawke is no match for the Warden. If your Warden can't beat your hawke into liquid form, there is something seriously wrong with your Warden,.

[Fishy]

The Warden >>> Hawke >>> Inquisitor.

 

Inquisitor was more a leader.

[Gambit458]

The Warden was a hero. A skilled warrior, or powerful mage, etc. but universally, the Warden was young, valiant, sure, there's no courage without fear, and the Warden was perhaps an exemplar of this, but in my experience, the Warden's truest strength was on the inside. This is heavily influenced by how I played, obviously, but just looking at the animations and allotted responses, the Warden was not a hardened warrior. S/he began as a rather clueless Gray Warden, forged into an accomplished warrior by the fires of necessity, and fought blood, sweat, and tears, to the end, because there was no other choice.

Hawke, on the other hand. Hawke is a rebel, a mage, a hero, a champion, and a villain. Hawke is a hardened warrior of more than ten years. She (my Hawke was 'she') fights for family, for friends, for home, and for self. Hawke killed Darkspawn, bested an Arishok in single combat, vanquished a demonic magister, and walked from one city’s Armageddon with two monsters slain at her feet. For Hawke, battle isn't a necessity, it's a way of life. She is strong on the inside, yes, but unlike the Warden, she is hard as nails.

Where the Warden leads the vanguard and fights back-to-back with comrades to win the day with vigour and morale, Hawke would challenge an entire army. If you heard Varric tell the story, Hawke bottlenecked the horde at the city gates and slew the lot of them. But Varric is known to exaggerate. In truth, she entered the fight knowing she only had to kill half, after that the remainder would turn tail and run.

If the Warden and Hawke crossed paths and fought, Hawke would win not because the Warden isn’t capable, but because in single combat, no one does it better. Hawke always goes on, her family dead, two gone right in her arms, her city fallen, her friends separated, all she has is the skill to take life better than anyone else. She understands that everyone’s the best until she puts them in the ground. The Warden would be no exception.

Gotta disagree with the hardened warrior bit. The Warden's pretty much experienced after dealing with the Arch Demon and Hawke's story does occur a little after the blight as well. That means that the Warden had also finished doing what he/she did in Awakening as the Warden-Commander. Hawke only bested the Arishok in single combat if you were able to do that. Hawke is tough, but the Warden's got him beat in terms of experience. The Warden's done incredible things in single combat as well, such as the Proving if you supported Harrowmont. The Warden's defeated darkspawn, killed golems, fought dwarves, quanari, elves, werewolves, the Antivan Crows, Broodmothers, an Arch Demon, faced a powerful Sloth demon in the fade, and many other accomplishments to his/her name. "Unlike the warden"..I really don't get where you're trying to say that Hawke was more hardened than the Warden, especially on the hero part. The Warden didn't get the nickname "The Hero of Ferelden" for no reason and Hawke wasn't exactly a champion right from the start. The trials the Warden faced disproves everything you just said about him/her. Where Hawke was more restricted to being in Kirkwall, the Warden on the other hand has traveled all over Ferelden and even across the seas to help Amaranthine.

 

Where Hawke was merely the champion of a city, the Warden was the champion of a nation.  

[SmilesJA]

The Warden, no question.

 

The Warden beat Rendon Howe, Teyrn Loghain, and the Arch-freaking-demon in single-combat. Also the Mother and possibly the Architect after that.

 

The strongest opponent Hawke beat was the Arishok, and maybe Meredith. Not quite as impressive as an Archdemon.

 

Not to mention the Warden succeeded in almost everything s/he set out to do. S/he went around the whole nation of Ferelden solving conflicts, righting wrongs, collecting allies for the Blight, found a legendary artifact lost for centuries, deposed Loghain, and united a whole divided nation under one banner to successfully stop the Blight.

 

Hawke is a **** failure who failed at almost everything s/he tried to do. Failed to save a sibling in the prologue. Failed to save the second sibling from either dying, having to join the Wardens to save his or her life, or getting sucked into the Chanty (as an imprisoned mage for Bethany, as a Templar seduced by the sense of purpose he thinks it'll bring him if Carver). Failed to save mom from a serial killer. Failed to resolve rising tensions between the Qunari and nobles, then between the mages and Templars. Failed to stop Anders from blowing up the Chantry. Failed to stop the Circles everywhere from breaking, the Chantry from falling to pieces, and the world igniting into a giant war. Failed to stop Meredith's grab for and abuse of power until she was so far off the deep end and caused such irreversible damage that it was far too late.

 

 

 

 

To be honest I don't think the Warden would be able to prevent the Mage Templar war. Hawke is a hero though I would give the edge to the Warden in a fight.

[ummiehummie]

My Warden was a double sworded warrior. 

My Hawke was a force mage.

 

Not sure who would win, but I know they'd complete each other. 

[Kallas_br123]

the warden is a fantastic fighter, whether mage, rogue, or warrior. as well as hawke, both have great feats, killed opponents of great power.

 

But at the end of the day if you look without favoritism lens, hawke killed more amazing opponents, the arishock would wash the floor with any of the humanoid opponents that wardem won against, the archdemon, in the words of several wardens, is just a dragon, (semi immortal, which can be reborn several times) but only a dragon, and hawke also killed a high dragon. in the same way any opponent that the wardem won in combat, hawke faced and defeated a similar one.

But Remember that in kirkwall hawke found several demons of singular power, as Xebenkeck, or the trinity of demons that you find in the 3rd act. it you add meredith, which is possibly one of the greatest mvp's the world of thedas had in the short time she has gone mad, and on top of everything you put corypheus, which is probably the enemy of greater power he faced (attached to fact that the place where he was confronted and defeated, was of great help to corypheus).

 

as mentioned above yes, hawke in solo combat (whether as a mage, rogue or warrior) is the best.

in other aspects such as leadership wardem is much better leader (mainly as a human noble or dwarf).

 

But above all the inquisitor is superior to both, whether in leadership, influence or combat prowess. (the mark is simply too OP to compare).

 

Sorry bad english

[Gambit458]

 

the warden is a fantastic fighter, whether mage, rogue, or warrior. as well as hawke, both have great feats, killed opponents of great power.

 

But at the end of the day if you look without favoritism lens, hawke killed more amazing opponents, the arishock would wash the floor with any of the humanoid opponents that wardem won against, the archdemon, in the words of several wardens, is just a dragon, (semi immortal, which can be reborn several times) but only a dragon, and hawke also killed a high dragon. in the same way any opponent that the wardem won in combat, hawke faced and defeated a similar one.

But Remember that in kirkwall hawke found several demons of singular power, as Xebenkeck, or the trinity of demons that you find in the 3rd act. it you add meredith, which is possibly one of the greatest mvp's the world of thedas had in the short time she has gone mad, and on top of everything you put corypheus, which is probably the enemy of greater power he faced (attached to fact that the place where he was confronted and defeated, was of great help to corypheus).

 

as mentioned above yes, hawke in solo combat (whether as a mage, rogue or warrior) is the best.

in other aspects such as leadership wardem is much better leader (mainly as a human noble or dwarf).

 

But above all the inquisitor is superior to both, whether in leadership, influence or combat prowess. (the mark is simply too OP to compare).

 

Sorry bad english

 

I don't really see how Hawke has killed more "amazing" opponents. The Arishok would wash the floor? I'm pretty sure Loghain could stand up to him. Uldred would mop the floor with him. The Werewolves would tear him apart. Flemeth would annihilate him. The Arch Demon would probably swallow him whole. I could go on and on..Point being, the Arishok was tough sure but he's not as great as some make him out to be. The Arch Demon isn't "just" a dragon. If Hawke killed the Arch Demon, it would've just kept coming back. When the Warden kills it, it stays dead. Hawke killed a high dragon sure, but so did the Warden. Not just the High Dragon but Flemeth as well if they decided to do such. Hawke never faced Flemeth in combat. Meredith was only powerful because of the lyrium and it took time for her to get that strong. Sorry to tell ya but you're wrong. When it comes to more powerful enemies, The Warden takes it. The only one Hawke had that would be relevant in comparison to the warden is Corypheus. 

[Big Magnet]

Warden would give Hawke a wet willie, steal his lunch money, give him a wedgie and put a "Kick me" sign on his back 

[Kallas_br123]

I don't really see how Hawke has killed more "amazing" opponents. The Arishok would wash the floor? I'm pretty sure Loghain could stand up to him. Uldred would mop the floor with him. The Werewolves would tear him apart. Flemeth would annihilate him. The Arch Demon would probably swallow him whole. I could go on and on..Point being, the Arishok was tough sure but he's not as great as some make him out to be. The Arch Demon isn't "just" a dragon. If Hawke killed the Arch Demon, it would've just kept coming back. When the Warden kills it, it stays dead. Hawke killed a high dragon sure, but so did the Warden. Not just the High Dragon but Flemeth as well if they decided to do such. Hawke never faced Flemeth in combat. Meredith was only powerful because of the lyrium and it took time for her to get that strong. Sorry to tell ya but you're wrong. When it comes to more powerful enemies, The Warden takes it. The only one Hawke had that would be relevant in comparison to the warden is Corypheus. 

man did you read my post ?? or my English is so bad?

 

the arishock win any other humanoid, this does not count uldred, werewolves or archdeamon, or Flemeth in dragon form. the Qunari generally starting in DA 2 are more extraordinary in combat than humans.

the arisock in a duel against Loghain?

Loghain would be destroyed, especially in the age he has in origins.

 

Uldred is an abomination, a pride demon, you mean to tell me that he is more powerful than all the demons of pride that hawke killed?

including the Trinity act 3 ?? the demon from merrill quest? ancient demons so powerful that elves and Tevinter magisters trapped them because they are too powerful?

and the arch demon is just a dragon at the end of the day, the only difference is that you need a warden to kill him for good, any warrior can kill a archdemon but only a wardem can keep him dead, this means nothing in terms power only that you need to have the the right blood type.

Flemeth is also just a dragon in her dragon form, and not an especially powerful one.

and my mention of meredith is the fraction of time that she is super strong and fast, animating statues to fight with her, at that moment she is possibly the most powerful being of thedas, and was at that moment that hawke and Friends, defeated her.

 

then as I said remove the favoritism lenses, and stop only be saying that the warden is the best, and hawke stinks, just because you like the warden  more .

and tell me only one enemy that the wardem beat that hawke did not kill an equal or more powerful.

 

and please try to rely on lore, not in mechanics, to find this enemy

 

Sorry bad english

[Big Magnet]

Commander Shepard >>>> Warden >>>> Inquisitor >>>> Homer Simpson >>>>> Hawke

[why maker why]

The Warden, no question.

 

The Warden beat Rendon Howe, Teyrn Loghain, and the Arch-freaking-demon in single-combat. Also the Mother and possibly the Architect after that.

 

The strongest opponent Hawke beat was the Arishok, and maybe Meredith. Not quite as impressive as an Archdemon.

 

Not to mention the Warden succeeded in almost everything s/he set out to do. S/he went around the whole nation of Ferelden solving conflicts, righting wrongs, collecting allies for the Blight, found a legendary artifact lost for centuries, deposed Loghain, and united a whole divided nation under one banner to successfully stop the Blight.

 

Hawke is a **** failure who failed at almost everything s/he tried to do. Failed to save a sibling in the prologue. Failed to save the second sibling from either dying, having to join the Wardens to save his or her life, or getting sucked into the Chanty (as an imprisoned mage for Bethany, as a Templar seduced by the sense of purpose he thinks it'll bring him if Carver). Failed to save mom from a serial killer. Failed to resolve rising tensions between the Qunari and nobles, then between the mages and Templars. Failed to stop Anders from blowing up the Chantry. Failed to stop the Circles everywhere from breaking, the Chantry from falling to pieces, and the world igniting into a giant war. Failed to stop Meredith's grab for and abuse of power until she was so far off the deep end and caused such irreversible damage that it was far too late.

 

The only think Hawke "succeeded" at doing was stopping the Arishok's attempted takeover of the city, and that's it. (Hawke didn't even really defeat Meredith so much as just rile her up during their battle, until her own zeal caused her to get turned into a statue by her own red lyrium sword--which, by the way, Hawke is indirectly responsible for her acquiring in the first place.)

 

The Warden would kick Hawke's ***, and show just how much more gumption it takes the Hero of Ferelden to defeat an Archdemon than a champion of a city to defeat an Arishok.

 

 

......Well I guess I can't finish my current replay of DA2, now I hate Hawke.

[Gambit458]

 

man did you read my post ?? or my English is so bad?

 

the arishock win any other humanoid, this does not count uldred, werewolves or archdeamon, or Flemeth in dragon form. the Qunari generally starting in DA 2 are more extraordinary in combat than humans.

the arisock in a duel against Loghain?

Loghain would be destroyed, especially in the age he has in origins.

 

Uldred is an abomination, a pride demon, you mean to tell me that he is more powerful than all the demons of pride that hawke killed?

including the Trinity act 3 ?? the demon from merrill quest? ancient demons so powerful that elves and Tevinter magisters trapped them because they are too powerful?

and the arch demon is just a dragon at the end of the day, the only difference is that you need a warden to kill him for good, any warrior can kill a archdemon but only a wardem can keep him dead, this means nothing in terms power only that you need to have the the right blood type.

Flemeth is also just a dragon in her dragon form, and not an especially powerful one.

and my mention of meredith is the fraction of time that she is super strong and fast, animating statues to fight with her, at that moment she is possibly the most powerful being of thedas, and was at that moment that hawke and Friends, defeated her.

 

then as I said remove the favoritism lenses, and stop only be saying that the warden is the best, and hawke stinks, just because you like the warden  more .

and tell me only one enemy that the wardem beat that hawke did not kill an equal or more powerful.

 

and please try to rely on lore, not in mechanics, to find this enemy

 

Sorry bad english

 

I know what you said, which is why I first responded with Loghain. How do you know he would get destroyed? Have you watched them face off and can say that as if it were a fact? No. Boy you must not have played Origins if you think the Warden didn't face any powerful demons. "Just a Dragon"..Yeah cept for the fact that other dragons don't bring an army of Dark Spawn with them.  Flemeth isn't just a Dragon dude. Flemeth is..Well I can't say what she really is for those who haven't made it that far in Inquisition or haven't played it yet, but the fact that the Warden was able to beat her says a lot more than anything Hawke has done. You sound like the only one with favortism here bud, not I. The fact that you think Meredith was the most powerful person at that time is ridiculous. I do rely on the lore which is why I know you're wrong. I actually like my Warden and Hawke equally Mr.Know it all but thanks for assuming. I simply acknowledge that one's achievements were greater than the other. Either you've not played Origins and Inquisition and only played DA 2 or you ignore the facts when they're right in front of you

[ThePhoenixKing]

An interesting question, and one I've actually been giving a fair amount of thought to lately. I've been working on the latest chapter of my Origins fanfic The Grey Path, (hint hint, nudge nudge ) which will feature a team-up between Hawke and my City Elf Warden, so the topic has come up a bit in that. Here's my perspective:

 

At the time of Ostagar, Hawke is the superior combatant. While the Warden is a talented swordsman, Hawke simply just has more extensive training and experience; she's participated in tournaments, fought off bandit attacks as part of the Lothering militia, trained with the Ash Warriors (that's also my explanation as to how she has the bloodmark thing), and then was recruited into the King's Own, where she received further training. In time, the Warden eventually catches up to her (fighting darkspawn serves as an effective crucible to develop his skills), and the techniques and tactics he learns from his companions certainly help.

 

By the post-Awakening time period, they would be pretty evenly matched, both very talented greatsworders with superhuman abilities to aid them (the Warden with his Templar/Spirit Warrior/Power of Blood abilities and Hawke as a Reaver). The Warden has the advantage of sheer determination; besides being a particularly stubborn individual at heart, he has the stamina to last fifteen rounds against a tidal wave of darkspawn, but Hawke's nurtured her anger through her Ash Warrior training and can actively call on that if needed. It would be a very close fight, though if we threw companions into the mix, the Warden would come out on top; with the exception of Merrill and Aveline, none of them could stand against the Awakening Wardens for long.

 

That is, of course, if they ever did come into conflict, and considering how they're both Neutral Good would-be knightly heroes/champions of the oppressed/defenders of the weak/etc, that's unlikely. Their interactions thus far in my story (again, shameless plugging) have been marked with mutual respect, genuine admiration and a fair amount of sexual tension. It would take something really big to put the two in a position where they'd be actively trying to kill each other.  

[Kallas_br123]

I know what you said, which is why I first responded with Loghain. How do you know he would get destroyed? Have you watched them face off and can say that as if it were a fact? No. Boy you must not have played Origins if you think the Warden didn't face any powerful demons. "Just a Dragon"..Yeah cept for the fact that other dragons don't bring an army of Dark Spawn with them.  Flemeth isn't just a Dragon dude. Flemeth is..Well I can't say what she really is for those who haven't made it that far in Inquisition or haven't played it yet, but the fact that the Warden was able to beat her says a lot more than anything Hawke has done. You sound like the only one with favortism here bud, not I. The fact that you think Meredith was the most powerful person at that time is ridiculous. I do rely on the lore which is why I know you're wrong. I actually like my Warden and Hawke equally Mr.Know it all but thanks for assuming. I simply acknowledge that one's achievements were greater than the other. Either you've not played Origins and Inquisition and only played DA 2 or you ignore the facts when they're right in front of you

as to Loghain, you can not even quite seriously believe that an old warrior, with over 50 years (possibly more than 60) could win against a Qunari warrior, in the prime of skill, strength, endurance and speed, an Qunari who leads the body of the qun, noting that the Qunari choose the best available for the job, this puts the arishok as the best strategist and warrior the Qunari people has to offer, yes he would destroy a warrior, well above his age which its prime finished at least 20 years ago.

 

Yes the arch demon was not alone as he was killed had an army at his disposal, but also the warden was not alone, he had an army to dispose of it, which included enchenters, great enchanters, keepers, spirits, much more depending of his choices in the story, the high dragon that  hawke killed, had with her younglings from the nest, which included some drakes (male adult dragons).

 

yes Flemeth is very powerful, but in her dragon form, she is just a high dragon (which in itself is quite powerful) if she in this form has some extra powers, she at no time used. (which could indicate that she did not care to be defeated, and was not using her full power).

 

about meredith, ok I grant may be based on interpretation, she demonstrated strength and speed far above that of a mortal, the ability to launch waves of energy and animate inanimate objects, included the powers standards of a templar, but can not know how she would fare against other high power opponents like a dragon or I dont know.

 

because if not, I still uphold the hawke confronted and defeated, more extraordinary enemies that the warden,

Hybris: a demon of ancient pride.

The Awiergan Scrolls: If I'm not mistaken 4 demons of singular power, imprisoned around kirkwall.

Audacity: the demons imprisoned by the empire if I'm not mistaken, found during merrill's quest .

Xebenkeck: that is one of The Forbidden Ones, considering that yes the warden killed one of The Forbidden Ones too.

Malvernis: a unique demon throughout thedas, whose own type is unknown.

 

all these are superior to any demon, the warden killed.

 

Again tell me an enemy, the warden defeated, which exceeds anything that hawke & co have defeated.

[DeathScepter]

 

as to Loghain, you can not even quite seriously believe that an old warrior, with over 50 years (possibly more than 60) could win against a Qunari warrior, in the prime of skill, strength, endurance and speed, an Qunari who leads the body of the qun, noting that the Qunari choose the best available for the job, this puts the arishok as the best strategist and warrior the Qunari people has to offer, yes he would destroy a warrior, well above his age which its prime finished at least 20 years ago.

 

Yes the arch demon was not alone as he was killed had an army at his disposal, but also the warden was not alone, he had an army to dispose of it, which included enchenters, great enchanters, keepers, spirits, much more depending of his choices in the story, the high dragon that  hawke killed, had with her younglings from the nest, which included some drakes (male adult dragons).

 

yes Flemeth is very powerful, but in her dragon form, she is just a high dragon (which in itself is quite powerful) if she in this form has some extra powers, she at no time used. (which could indicate that she did not care to be defeated, and was not using her full power).

 

about meredith, ok I grant may be based on interpretation, she demonstrated strength and speed far above that of a mortal, the ability to launch waves of energy and animate inanimate objects, included the powers standards of a templar, but can not know how she would fare against other high power opponents like a dragon or I dont know.

 

because if not, I still uphold the hawke confronted and defeated, more extraordinary enemies that the warden,

Hybris: a demon of ancient pride.

The Awiergan Scrolls: If I'm not mistaken 4 demons of singular power, imprisoned around kirkwall.

Audacity: the demons imprisoned by the empire if I'm not mistaken, found during merrill's quest .

Xebenkeck: that is one of The Forbidden Ones, considering that yes the warden killed one of The Forbidden Ones too.

Malvernis: a unique demon throughout thedas, whose own type is unknown.

 

all these are superior to any demon, the warden killed.

 

Again tell me an enemy, the warden defeated, which exceeds anything that hawke & co have defeated.

 

 

 

Age and treachery can trump over youth and skill. Loghain is a badass warrior that earn the right to be called a general with plenty of years of experience under his belt. Arishok is a badass warrior that lack experience compared to Loghain. There is badass and there is Badass. and there is me.

[Kallas_br123]

Age and treachery can trump over youth and skill. Loghain is a badass warrior that earn the right to be called a general with plenty of years of experience under his belt. Arishok is a badass warrior that lack experience compared to Loghain. There is badass and there is Badass. and there is me.

cunning, and experience can take you to some extent, but an Qunari soldier is in all aspects, superior to a human soldier of equal rank. the arishok is very likely to be the best warrior, the qun has to offer. in a duel face to face, one on one, like what hawke had with arishok, Loghain would be destroyed without a shadow of doubt. is simply impossible that at his age he can keep up with someone youger, faster, stronger and more resistant, which also possibly is better trained that he is, and as far as I know Loghain is known to be a general, a strategist, not a warrior of singular skill .

[Gambit458]

 

as to Loghain, you can not even quite seriously believe that an old warrior, with over 50 years (possibly more than 60) could win against a Qunari warrior, in the prime of skill, strength, endurance and speed, an Qunari who leads the body of the qun, noting that the Qunari choose the best available for the job, this puts the arishok as the best strategist and warrior the Qunari people has to offer, yes he would destroy a warrior, well above his age which its prime finished at least 20 years ago.

 

Yes the arch demon was not alone as he was killed had an army at his disposal, but also the warden was not alone, he had an army to dispose of it, which included enchenters, great enchanters, keepers, spirits, much more depending of his choices in the story, the high dragon that  hawke killed, had with her younglings from the nest, which included some drakes (male adult dragons).

 

yes Flemeth is very powerful, but in her dragon form, she is just a high dragon (which in itself is quite powerful) if she in this form has some extra powers, she at no time used. (which could indicate that she did not care to be defeated, and was not using her full power).

 

about meredith, ok I grant may be based on interpretation, she demonstrated strength and speed far above that of a mortal, the ability to launch waves of energy and animate inanimate objects, included the powers standards of a templar, but can not know how she would fare against other high power opponents like a dragon or I dont know.

 

because if not, I still uphold the hawke confronted and defeated, more extraordinary enemies that the warden,

Hybris: a demon of ancient pride.

The Awiergan Scrolls: If I'm not mistaken 4 demons of singular power, imprisoned around kirkwall.

Audacity: the demons imprisoned by the empire if I'm not mistaken, found during merrill's quest .

Xebenkeck: that is one of The Forbidden Ones, considering that yes the warden killed one of The Forbidden Ones too.

Malvernis: a unique demon throughout thedas, whose own type is unknown.

 

all these are superior to any demon, the warden killed.

 

Again tell me an enemy, the warden defeated, which exceeds anything that hawke & co have defeated.

 

You really need to quit voicing your opinion if you think that age determines whether someone is skilled or not. Loghain was reveled as the Hero of River Dane and was still an excellent general at his age. What next, are you going to say Wynne was a bad mage because she was old? Flemeth's old too, guess she must be weak as well. With age comes experience. Apparently the Arishok isn't as good as you think he is since he lost to Hawke and his gang. Then when you get into Inquisition, you hear about how the Arishok shamed his people and acted without their permission. "Superior to a human soldier of equal rank"..Do you even know what you're talking about or are you just speaking out of bias? The duel with the Arishok was only if you chose to do it. Not everyone dueled the Arishok 1 on 1 whereas you do duel Loghain 1 on 1. 

 

What about the demon in Unbound? What about Gaxhang or w.e his name was? What about the multiple Desire, Pride, Sloth, and Rage demons the Warden and gang faced? Did Hawke cleanse a whole Circle Tower full of abominations? No. Not to mention that powerful demon you face in the Black Marshes in Awakening. Hawke hasn't faced more powerful demons than the Warden has, you just want to think he did. "Flemeth was just a high dragon"..Flemeth could have been many things if she wanted. She's a shapeshifter and not to mention she's the ancient elven god Mythal which says a lot about the people the Warden's faced.

[Kallas_br123]

You really need to quit voicing your opinion if you think that age determines whether someone is skilled or not. Loghain was reveled as the Hero of River Dane and was still an excellent general at his age. What next, are you going to say Wynne was a bad mage because she was old? Flemeth's old too, guess she must be weak as well. With age comes experience. Apparently the Arishok isn't as good as you think he is since he lost to Hawke and his gang. Then when you get into Inquisition, you hear about how the Arishok shamed his people and acted without their permission. "Superior to a human soldier of equal rank"..Do you even know what you're talking about or are you just speaking out of bias? The duel with the Arishok was only if you chose to do it. Not everyone dueled the Arishok 1 on 1 whereas you do duel Loghain 1 on 1. 

 

What about the demon in Unbound? What about Gaxhang or w.e his name was? What about the multiple Desire, Pride, Sloth, and Rage demons the Warden and gang faced? Did Hawke cleanse a whole Circle Tower full of abominations? No. Not to mention that powerful demon you face in the Black Marshes in Awakening. Hawke hasn't faced more powerful demons than the Warden has, you just want to think he did. "Flemeth was just a high dragon"..Flemeth could have been many things if she wanted. She's a shapeshifter and not to mention she's the ancient elven god Mythal which says a lot about the people the Warden's faced.

 

Now I ask you, you actually played origins? course you do not need the duel Loghain, you can send a companion as your champion.

 

yes Loghain's a Great General, with age comes experience, but with age comes lack of stamina and muscle elasticity, is a game but is a game based on realism, this includes the fact that there is no soldier or fighter above their 50 , that can win one on one against someone younger, stronger, faster and durable. so unless you can provide me with something as fact that is not, "Loghain is a badass" The Arishok is superior to Loghain in combat.

When I mentioned the superiority of qun soldiers I was mentioning the raw power, they are simply by size factor, stronger and resilient than a human. or do you think all that lot of muscle are just for show.

 

Yes the qun declared not know or approve of arishok actions, because they do not want to get into a war against all thedas not right now. if you talk to Varric, these were the words used, and do not mean anything about martial capacity arishok, only he lacked patience.

 

Yes Flemeth is probably much stronger than a high dragon, but as I said in her dragon form she showed nothing beyond the normal power of a high dragon, if it has something extra in that form she did not use. (Again may show she did not care about winning that fight, because she already had an escape plan ready, and kill the warden would mean at least the end of fareldan).

 

the unique demons of note that the warden faced is:

Gaxkang: one of The Forbidden Ones, he is the demon of unbound, and hawke also killed one of them. (look in the wiki of the game and you will see that these demons are 4 that make The Forbidden Ones).

Baroness in awakening: possibly the most powerful demons that warden faced.

Asunder: a demon that you found in the deep roads

that's it, no more powerful demon, with a name and legend attached to it, and none of them with power above that hawke faced.

 

All the demons of desire, pride and fury that Waden faced, hawke simply killed more of them, he killed more abominations (mainly more demons of pride, he killed a ton of these), he lived in kirkwall, capital of blood magic, demons and abominations.

 

There is nothing (apart amount of darkspawn and amount of dragons) that the warden has faced and defeated the hawke has not done the same.

The same can not be said about the warden, hawke faced more uinique demons.

 

again provide me with an opponent who is superior to something that hawke has defeated, and you win the argument.

 

I just need to give him a name, corypheus, and even then, I'm giving you a list, the most powerful demons than any demon that Waden faced.

 

Again sorry bad english.

 

[Gambit458]

 

Now I ask you, you actually played origins? course you do not need the duel Loghain, you can send a companion as your champion.

 

yes Loghain's a Great General, with age comes experience, but with age comes lack of stamina and muscle elasticity, is a game but is a game based on realism, this includes the fact that there is no soldier or fighter above their 50 , that can win one on one against someone younger, stronger, faster and durable. so unless you can provide me with something as fact that is not, "Loghain is a badass" The Arishok is superior to Loghain in combat.

When I mentioned the superiority of qun soldiers I was mentioning the raw power, they are simply by size factor, stronger and resilient than a human. or do you think all that lot of muscle are just for show.

 

Yes the qun declared not know or approve of arishok actions, because they do not want to get into a war against all thedas not right now. if you talk to Varric, these were the words used, and do not mean anything about martial capacity arishok, only he lacked patience.

 

Yes Flemeth is probably much stronger than a high dragon, but as I said in her dragon form she showed nothing beyond the normal power of a high dragon, if it has something extra in that form she did not use. (Again may show she did not care about winning that fight, because she already had an escape plan ready, and kill the warden would mean at least the end of fareldan).

 

the unique demons of note that the warden faced is:

Gaxkang: one of The Forbidden Ones, he is the demon of unbound, and hawke also killed one of them. (look in the wiki of the game and you will see that these demons are 4 that make The Forbidden Ones).

Baroness in awakening: possibly the most powerful demons that warden faced.

Asunder: a demon that you found in the deep roads

that's it, no more powerful demon, with a name and legend attached to it, and none of them with power above that hawke faced.

 

All the demons of desire, pride and fury that Waden faced, hawke simply killed more of them, he killed more abominations (mainly more demons of pride, he killed a ton of these), he lived in kirkwall, capital of blood magic, demons and abominations.

 

There is nothing (apart amount of darkspawn and amount of dragons) that the warden has faced and defeated the hawke has not done the same.

The same can not be said about the warden, hawke faced more uinique demons.

 

again provide me with an opponent who is superior to something that hawke has defeated, and you win the argument.

 

I just need to give him a name, corypheus, and even then, I'm giving you a list, the most powerful demons than any demon that Waden faced.

 

 

I've played Origins multiple times actually. Sure you "could" send a champion but anyone with the right sense knows that that battle is reserved for either the Warden or Alistair. The Arishok isn't exactly young either dude. How do you know the Arishok is faster? His size would actually mean he's slower due to his bulk. Rofl Hawke killed more of them..no he didn't. Did Hawke go through an ENTIRE Circle Tower? No. All you have is your deluded opinion that Hawke "may" have faced better enemies than the Warden. You have no proof that the demons Hawke faced are more "unique" than the ones the Warden faced. I already did provide you with more superior enemies, you simply ignored them. Corypheus isn't winning the argument for you since he was a complete joke in Inquisition. Even the Arch Demon put up more of a fight than he did. You sound like one of those guys who thinks his opinions are equal to facts

[Kallas_br123]

I've played Origins multiple times actually. Sure you "could" send a champion but anyone with the right sense knows that that battle is reserved for either the Warden or Alistair. The Arishok isn't exactly young either dude. How do you know the Arishok is faster? His size would actually mean he's slower due to his bulk. Rofl Hawke killed more of them..no he didn't. Did Hawke go through an ENTIRE Circle Tower? No. All you have is your deluded opinion that Hawke "may" have faced better enemies than the Warden. You have no proof that the demons Hawke faced are more "unique" than the ones the Warden faced. I already did provide you with more superior enemies, you simply ignored them. Corypheus isn't winning the argument for you since he was a complete joke in Inquisition. Even the Arch Demon put up more of a fight than he did. You sound like one of those guys who thinks his opinions are equal to facts

and anyone with sense knows that the fight against arishok was made to be a duel. (see What do I did there), you have the choice jst like the fight against loghain.

 

good point there is no way of knowing whether the arishok is younger than the Loghain.

 

The entire circle ?? you face two dozens of abominations and perhaps not even that, even with the demons were not that many. (because if they were so many, the mages would not have enough forces to send against the darkspawn), and kirkwall is demon hub, the codex entrys superto that.

 

My deluded opinion, is providing, names of demons, with legends attached to them, in codex entries, if you name something is because it is powerful enough to deserve the name. these demons are more powerful than any nameless  demon the warden killed.

 

Again ou attacks me, calls me deluded, but I'm giving you facts, names, lore, you do not provide me with anything, now your strategy is to try to weaken corypheus.

 

Give me something, a name.

 

Flemeth: not used all her power.

Loghain: is an old soldier.

Uldred is just an abomination of pride.

The arch demon: only a high dragon need to have some certain type of blood to kill.

 

the least you can do is search, search the wiki of the game.

find something, and you will have an argument.

Until then, you are the guy who takes his word as absolute truth.

 

Again sorry bad english.

[Merle McClure II]

Something to consider is that Dragon Age II is Varric retelling a tale ... and considering that he's an admitted Bullshitter you have to take everything with more then a few grains of salt as to "how many" baddies Hawke actually faced.

 

 

Still, I tend to believe that Hawke did in fact face the "named" Demons that appear in the game, but said Demons don't seem to be any more powerful then the ones that the Warden faced.

 

 

As for which one would "win" ... I'd place my money on the Warden-Commander (Origins/Awakening/Golems/Witch Hunt) ... prior to Awakening though it'd be a fair fight.

[Gambit458]

Something to consider is that Dragon Age II is Varric retelling a tale ... and considering that he's an admitted Bullshitter you have to take everything with more then a few grains of salt as to "how many" baddies Hawke actually faced.

 

 

Still, I tend to believe that Hawke did in fact face the "named" Demons that appear in the game, but said Demons don't seem to be any more powerful then the ones that the Warden faced.

 

 

As for which one would "win" ... I'd place my money on the Warden-Commander (Origins/Awakening/Golems/Witch Hunt) ... prior to Awakening though it'd be a fair fight.

See that's another interesting point. How do we know what Hawke did actually happened? Although we play Hawke, it's a tale being told by Varric. Varric likes to exaggerate and make things up. I think he also admitted that he would do such a thing if he wrote a story about your Inquisitor 

[Kallas_br123]

See that's another interesting point. How do we know what Hawke did actually happened? Although we play Hawke, it's a tale being told by Varric. Varric likes to exaggerate and make things up. I think he also admitted that he would do such a thing if he wrote a story about your Inquisitor 

there is no an answer for that, if you want to believe that everything that happened in DA 2 was a lie created by Varric, ok fine.

 

But unless word of God, come and say yes is all made up, DA 2 events are as cannon as of origins.

[Merle McClure II]

No they aren't ... on at least a couple of occasions Varric is caught in a lie that is too big for Cassandra to handle and she calls him out on it.

 

 

--EDIT--

 

The only things that are actually set in stone as being "Canon" in Dragon Age II are the Keep Choices and whatever is confirmed as happening in Dragon Age III.

Modifié par Merle McClure II, 05 janvier 2015 - 05:27 .