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[ChocolateFromDownUnder]

 So let me get this straight, and yes im late on this (real life and all) I wont be able to import my DA 1 and 2 saves on to 3? instead I have to Guess what I did on Dragon Age Keep? how is this logical? Me Playing the game right now means absolutely nothing with all the work I and everyone else did, it seems pointless...I was so close to buying Dragon Age 2 to further continue but what for? meaningless.....im having a hard time trying to see how everyone is approving this.

 

Not only that but the Keep didn't even pick up my current Game, I'm playing Dragon Age: Origins / Awakening on PC from Steam, but my Bioware account is connected and has me logged in............what?

 

I was extremely excited now my mind is telling me to just get my Delux pre order back this is just too much. 

[Senjougahara Hitagi]

Playing games is work now? You play the games 'cause you want to have fun. Not because you need to. Actually playing Dragon Age 2 is still going to be a different experience from just selecting the choices in the Keep. And if you can't see that, then I'm sorry for you. But just a little bit sorry, not too much, since you're writing in bold, that never helped anyone, trust me. The whole notion that "Everything I did up until now is pointless." is quite frankly ridiculous. Like seriously, WTF? Isn't having the memories of playing the game good enough?

 

Maybe, you could also finish your sentence, because the "...what?" part is really hard to make sense of. 

[Andraste_Reborn]

The import system needed replacing for several reasons - flags were broken, there are new generation consoles - and getting people to manually input their decisions is the best solution available. If you need help remembering what you did, the in-game journal is pretty helpful for most things. (Assuming you still have your save files, which you seem to.) Alternatively, if you don't care what you did you can use the default world state and/or the YOLO button.

 

The point of playing the previous games is to play them.

[ChocolateFromDownUnder]

sigh, just seems like a waste of time and effort....as for "Good Memories" yes those are always awesome, but its about the 100 of hours of game play I went through to get every thing done with in the game.....and yes it's still meaningless to me....I was close to paying 20 bucks for DA 2 but what for now?....guess I get to save my money since I can randomly choice a story.

[Kantr]

sigh, just seems like a waste of time and effort....as for "Good Memories" yes those are always awesome, but its about the 100 of hours of game play I went through to get every thing done with in the game.....and yes it's still meaningless to me....I was close to paying 20 bucks for DA 2 but what for now?....guess I get to save my money since I can randomly choice a story.

You paid those $20 to play a game not to generate save games to import into another game that would invaribly be bugged and might not take any of your decisions at all.

 

If you don't want to pre-order the game. Fine, but the only person you are spiting is yourself. The keep is much better than any save game import

[Mistress9Nine]

The point of playing previous games is also the point of getting context for those decisions. If you pick "X died" in the Keep, you won't even know who he was and why he died. So how are you maiking this decision? Silly rabbit! 

[ChocolateFromDownUnder]

whatever you say? lol I'm really god damn frustrated...took me 2 months to play every DLC, every play through on DA1 was going to Purchase DA 2 tonight but come to fine out I wasted 2 months knowing I will not be able to import anything because DA3 has no important system...money and time wasted so much. Look  I get your point...your fine with it...if only you can imagine my rage right now with how much TIME I put into this game.

[Althix]

yeah tell me how much time you put in this game. most people (me included) here made 16+ playthroughs of DAO alone, not to mention DA2. but your time is so much more important.

[ChocolateFromDownUnder]

yeah tell me how much time you put in this game. most people (me included) here made 16+ playthroughs of DAO alone, not to mention DA2. but your time is so much more important.

 

so you agree with this system than...all that work out the window....just poof.

[Andraste_Reborn]

As someone who played DAO nine times and DA2 eight times, yes, I am much happier with this system than with the direct save import from DAO to DA2. There are a few reasons for this.

 

1) It is less likely to be buggy, and if it is buggy it will be easier to fix. DA2 couldn't remember whether Nathaniel and Zevran were alive or not, the Keep should not have that problem.

 

2) It allows data from DAO that wasn't imported into DA2 to be taken into account. There are only about thirty flags carried over from DAO to DA2.

 

3) It allows us to tweak our decisions, or see the results of things we never did in game. I have a whole world state in the Keep devoted to nothing but choices I never actually made.

[ChocolateFromDownUnder]

As someone who played DAO nine times and DA2 eight times, yes, I am much happier with this system than with the direct save import from DAO to DA2. There are a few reasons for this.

 

1) It is less likely to be buggy, and if it is buggy it will be easier to fix. DA2 couldn't remember whether Nathaniel and Zevran were alive or not, the Keep should not have that problem.

 

2) It allows data from DAO that wasn't imported into DA2 to be taken into account. There are only about thirty flags carried over from DAO to DA2.

 

3) It allows us to tweak our decisions, or see the results of things we never did in game. I have a whole world state in the Keep devoted to nothing but choices I never actually made.

 

Will the keep is failing for me anyways it found games that I don't even have, it didn't pick up my current Origin Game so....not sure what to do there.....a simple import for me would of been fine....im not going to sit here for an hour and pick my brain. 

[Kantr]

Will the keep is failing for me anyways it found games that I don't even have, it didn't pick up my current Origin Game so....not sure what to do there.....a simple import for me would of been fine....im not going to sit here for an hour and pick my brain. 

No idea what you are talking about. It doesnt pick up any games.

 

So now you are saying you don't remember the choices you made. You wouldnt have cared about what you did showing up in DA:I

[DAJB]

so you agree with this system than...all that work out the window....just poof.

I don't agree that it's work "out the window" and I think when you've given the Keep a chance, you'll come to agree. That seems to have been the experience of most people who've spent any time playing with the tiles in the Tapestry.

 

Your previous playthroughs are obviously important to you, just as mine are to me and others' are to them. Although you do have to recreate manually the in-game decisions you made, this method does allow you to have confidence that those decisions will be accurately reflected, free of the bugs that had already crept into the old save-game imports. The time you spent playing will make it easier to remember what those choices were, so they're definitely not "work out the window".

 

Plus, once you've built one World State, you can create a second and a third very, very quickly, so - if on your second playthrough of DA:I you want to know what difference it would have made if, say, you'd put Anora on the throne instead of Alistair, or if you'd killed a companion instead of romancing them - you can do that without having to replay all of DA:O all over again.

 

Completing the Tapestry may seem like a daunting task when you see it for the first time but, once you've spent some time with it, most people have come to realise it has many, many advantages over traditional save-game imports. Give it a chance.

[ChocolateFromDownUnder]

I don't agree that it's work "out the window" and I think when you've given the Keep a chance, you'll come to agree. That seems to have been the experience of most people who've spent any time playing with the tiles in the Tapestry.

 

Your previous playthroughs are obviously important to you, just as mine are to me and others' are to them. Although you do have to recreate manually the in-game decisions you made, this method does allow you to have confidence that those decisions will be accurately reflected, free of the bugs that had already crept into the old save-game imports. The time you spent playing will make it easier to remember what those choices were, so they're definitely not "work out the window".

 

Plus, once you've built one World State, you can create a second and a third very, very quickly, so - if on your second playthrough of DA:I you want to know what difference it would have made if, say, you'd put Anora on the throne instead of Alistair, or if you'd killed a companion instead of romancing them - you can do that without having to replay all of DA:O all over again.

 

Completing the Tapestry may seem like a daunting task when you see it for the first time but, once you've spent some time with it, most people have come to realise it has many, many advantages over traditional save-game imports. Give it a chance.

 

I get it....I guess I can delete the game off my computer now..ha..man

[Sanunes]

Personally I like the idea for The Keep for that way I don't have to spend 50+ hours playing the games to see what the different outcomes might be, but if I was to do that it would also require me spend the money on the bandwidth.

 

I get that some people have a strong attachment to the digital information, but playing the games is about having fun not about what stats you are importing to the next game.

[DAJB]

I get it....I guess I can delete the game over my computer now..ha..man

Heh - don't rush into anything!

 

When you are answering the questions in the Tapestry, you may want to refer back to the Quest log in your previous games to refresh your memory on a few of the smaller decisions you made. If that doesn't help there's always the DA Wiki, and there are a few guides appearing online already, specifically addressing the tiles one by one.

 

By the time you've created one World State, you won't need any of that, I'm sure, but for your first, those old saves might still be useful!

[ChocolateFromDownUnder]

ugh I feel Dirty Doing this lol.......feels like im cheating and not actually going back.....aw well.

[Kantr]

skipping the game just because the keep exists is not the way to go. How else are you going to get emotionally involved in your worldstate if you havent played the events themselves?

[Kakashi]

I have played DA:O lots of times with lots of characters... but my saves didn't last this long, i am really glad that we have keep. The fact that you have played DA:O and was planning on playing DA2 just to get the saves, was your choice.That most certainly doesn't make the "keep" idea a bad one.

[ChocolateFromDownUnder]

skipping the game just because the keep exists is not the way to go. How else are you going to get emotionally involved in your worldstate if you havent played the events themselves?

 

Well isn't that the sole purpose of the keep? saving your money and just RANDOMLY inputting whatever you want for DA3? this is what I was trying to say before...its a flaw system, now that you have the keep....your not going to have people buy the originals...when they can simply log on, get into the keep and pick whatever and edited the story while its playing. Your not only being lazy, but EA/Bioware is going to lose money on a great franchise.

 

I just deleted the Game off my computer..no point in playing the game when I can just easily pick..(played this game on the xbox360 before I built a PC)..and that's the problem with the gaming world...things got too easy.

[DAJB]

Well isn't that the sole purpose of the keep? saving your money and just RANDOMLY inputting whatever you want for DA3? this is what I was trying to say before...its a flaw system, now that you have the keep....your not going to have people buy the originals...when they can simply log on, get into the keep and pick whatever and edited the story while its playing. Your not only being lazy, but EA/Bioware is going to lose money on a great franchise.

 

I just deleted the Game off my computer..no point in playing the game when I can just easily pick..(played this game on the xbox360 before I built a PC)..and that's the problem with the gaming world...things got too easy.

Actually, having been in the Keep for a couple of weeks now, I'd say, no, that doesn't seem to be the way most people are viewing the Keep.

 

Yes, it's a plus that you can play around with some of the variables later, but the vast majority of the points raised here have been about how the Keep can be made to better reflect the playthroughs that people have actually completed.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Well isn't that the sole purpose of the keep? saving your money and just RANDOMLY inputting whatever you want for DA3? this is what I was trying to say before...its a flaw system, now that you have the keep....your not going to have people buy the originals...when they can simply log on, get into the keep and pick whatever and edited the story while its playing. Your not only being lazy, but EA/Bioware is going to lose money on a great franchise.

 

I just deleted the Game off my computer..no point in playing the game when I can just easily pick..(played this game on the xbox360 before I built a PC)..and that's the problem with the gaming world...things got too easy.

Actually the point is to fix the import system because it was broken horribly in the transition from DAO to DA2, and was likely to get messed up even more in DAI. They made it open to anyone so that people new to the series have the option of exploring the many possible world states without slamming the door on them.

 

And people will still buy the games because they are good games (yes even DA2). The point in playing them is to have a good time. I'm sorry that you don't think that playing games is supposed to be fun? O.o

[Celebwen Skye]

I get that you're upset. Try to understand that this was the best way to fix past broken flags, easiest way to fix any flags that turn up broken in DA:I, and the only possible solution for people switching platforms. I firmly believe that, if you keep an open mind, you will come to at least appreciate the Keep. It does not replace the first two games. In fact, I found options in the Keep that I was not aware existed in-game, so I replayed the game and found them! I also was able to create a world state using choices I was never able to bring myself to make in-game! Look at it as a supplement--an add-on. It doesn't take away the enjoyment of playing the game, it lets you make choices you didn't--or couldn't--make before. It's a record of the world state, a new kind of game journal.

[Hexenkind23]

I don't understand how someone would want to play 2 games, just because of the save games for DA:I.
You play those games because you enjoy playing them for the game itself, like in any other game.
To play a game just for the save games isn't the right reason to play it at all.

Furthermore I think if you played both games you will have much more fun in DA:I because you know the world and all the connections within it.
It makes DA:I so much more fun to play, like it did in DA2, I'm sure of it.
The save game import is just a minor problem, the most important thing are your choices and the keep can address them to your DA:I playthrough.
That's all what's important at the end.

[Natureguy85]

The reason I like the Keep is that you can play different Inquisition playthroughs without having to go back and replay the other two games again first. You had to replay Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 to change Mass Effect 3. The difference between the two franchises is that you're not really continuing the same story from DA:O to DA:2 (which is why DA:2 was not an appropriate title for this type of franchise in my opinion.)

 

DA:2 doesn't take very much from DA:O. There will be some side content that is interesting as certain characters show up, but the events are completely separate. I fail to see how DA:2 can have a great impact on DA: Inquisition, but we shall see. DA:O is worth playing because it's a great game. DA:2, I'd say is up to you. I had some fun, but it was disappointing and I saw the story as ultimately pointless and not fitting for how the game was marketed. It might have been a good story for a sad movie in the style of a classic tragedy, but not a game.