But I know what it is... It's a game i'm going to play.
Is it a game I'm going to enjoy playing? I don't know. Just like I don't know if I'm going to enjoy a book, movie, or tv show without having read or seen it... I'll only know that I enjoy the game after I play it...
But you can look at a review of a book, movie, or tv show.
That's the major difference imho.
Edit: that's of course ignoring day 1 bugs and patches which don't exist in books.
You were actually going to play DA2 for no other reason than to play DAI with a DA2 import?.I was close to paying 20 bucks for DA 2 but what for now?....guess I get to save my money since I can randomly choice a story.
There are tons of reviews on the game since yesterday...But you can look at a review of a book, movie, or tv show.
That's the major difference imho.
Edit: that's of course ignoring day 1 bugs and patches which don't exist in books.
I kind of agree with this. You can have save imports, or you can have big meaningful decisions that change the game-world permanently. Not both. I wanted the DR to be canon for exactly this reason. Similarly, I think games set in the future of the ME universe should pick an ending and go from there.game has a canon, player can make some steps left or right in some minor encounters. however players can't actually influence the world around them.
so if choices are simply illusions - why even bother with all that?
in terms of efficiency, cost and headache - i would just remove the option of save imports.
But you can look at a review of a book, movie, or tv show.
That's the major difference imho.
Edit: that's of course ignoring day 1 bugs and patches which don't exist in books.
A review isn't going to tell me if I like it... A review is going to tell me if someone else liked it...
Using someone else's opinion to determine one's own personal tastes is far more foolish than paying or not paying for an item one may or may not like...
whatever you say? lol I'm really god damn frustrated...took me 2 months to play every DLC, every play through on DA1 was going to Purchase DA 2 tonight but come to fine out I wasted 2 months knowing I will not be able to import anything because DA3 has no important system...money and time wasted so much. Look I get your point...your fine with it...if only you can imagine my rage right now with how much TIME I put into this game.
But... you can just recreate the same save state in the Keep if you want. You lose, at most, the 20 minutes or so that it takes you to fill out your choices.
The only way you could be annoyed at this is if you're mainly concerned with the fact that other people can now achieve the same result without spending as much time as you. To that, I say, stop being a boor and realise that it doesn't affect you at all.
A review isn't going to tell me if I like it... A review is going to tell me if someone else liked it...
Using someone else's opinion to determine one's own personal tastes is far more foolish than paying or not paying for an item one may or may not like...
then again when over 50 people are giving something a 2/10, there's probably some merit to it.
I treat reviews a certain way whether it be movies or games and I take other factors such as genre into account. 7/10 doesn't mean medicore to me, it means it's good but those who like the genre will like it more as an example.
But you can look at a review of a book, movie, or tv show.
That's the major difference imho.
Edit: that's of course ignoring day 1 bugs and patches which don't exist in books.
There are plenty of reviews for Dragon Age: Inquisition already, so I don't need to wait for past the first day reviews. Besides all a review does for me is gives me more information about how the game looks/plays/features and BioWare has done enough Twitch streams to tell me that as well for the last couple of months. Now thanks for Origin I can also return Dragon Age: Inquisition too.
then again when over 50 people are giving something a 2/10, there's probably some merit to it.
I treat reviews a certain way whether it be movies or games and I take other factors such as genre into account. 7/10 doesn't mean medicore to me, it means it's good but those who like the genre will like it more as an example.
Perhaps, but not always... The rave reviews for Skyrim, Bioshock, or Dark Souls did not change the fact that I found the games to be dull, monotonous, and definitely not worth the time or money spent on them...
I have a few reviewers that have tastes that seem to mirror my own, but that doesn't mean that if they like something I'll immediately buy it, nor the opposite...
I follow movie reviews and game reviews, for games I'm not sure about they definitely influence me (if all say they are bad). I generally make a book decision based on blurbs and if I've read previous works by said author.
I didnt follow any reviews for Skyrim and really like it, it was an Impulse buy after getting Oblivion and not doing much with it (same as Origins, I got that but didnt play it for ages). Without any income reviews influence me a lot more.
You know...you could always just use the Wikia the fans have built to find out what happened...right? If you don't want to play DA2 then just sue the Wikia to see what each choice is about in more detail. Personally I'd suggest playing DA2 just so you know what's going down a bit more. After about 30 playthroughs on Origin and about 10 on DA2, the only reason I'm playing through them again is because I missed some trophies, and I'm a completionist. That's also why i hate Assassin's Creed...multiplayer trophies are the worst.
I follow movie reviews and game reviews, for games I'm not sure about they definitely influence me (if all say they are bad). I generally make a book decision based on blurbs and if I've read previous works by said author.
I didnt follow any reviews for Skyrim and really like it, it was an Impulse buy after getting Oblivion and not doing much with it (same as Origins, I got that but didnt play it for ages). Without any income reviews influence me a lot more.
According to a study I read about through the "Ultra Facts" Tumblr account, playing violent video games, where you go around hurting people actually makes you feel guilty and causes you to be a nicer person in real life. Apparently...
Perhaps, but not always... The rave reviews for Skyrim, Bioshock, or Dark Souls did not change the fact that I found the games to be dull, monotonous, and definitely not worth the time or money spent on them...
I have a few reviewers that have tastes that seem to mirror my own, but that doesn't mean that if they like something I'll immediately buy it, nor the opposite...
2 Things. 1 reading a review can let you know about possible bugs, whither the game lives up to promises, performance reviews, and other various things that influence whither a game will be good or not.
2. Reviewers who have different opinions are just as valued as reviewers who have the same opinions. Do they dislike something for being highly prevalent that you greatly like? They could point out things that you may like or dislike that others don't, their opinions isn't irrelevant because you disagree with it.
There are plenty of reviews for Dragon Age: Inquisition already, so I don't need to wait for past the first day reviews. Besides all a review does for me is gives me more information about how the game looks/plays/features and BioWare has done enough Twitch streams to tell me that as well for the last couple of months. Now thanks for Origin I can also return Dragon Age: Inquisition too.
2 more things. 1 The twitch streams are incredibly rare so it's more on principle then anything else. 2 the reviews are out close to release date, and is the only point I'd consider making a pre order. Pre ordering months before release is foolish especially considering money is being asked for an unfinished product.
2 Things. 1 reading a review can let you know about possible bugs, whither the game lives up to promises, performance reviews, and other various things that influence whither a game will be good or not.
2. Reviewers who have different opinions are just as valued as reviewers who have the same opinions. Do they dislike something for being highly prevalent that you greatly like? They could point out things that you may like or dislike that others don't, their opinions isn't irrelevant because you disagree with it.
And the reverse is also true... The opinion of reviewers are not automatically relevant just because you agree with them...
Reviews(good or bad) have never influenced whether or not I was going to preorder a game... And i have been extremely fortunate to have never preordered a game and not enjoyed the game(this is over the last 15 years, but I only really preorder one game a year)...
I use reviews to determine what I'm going to buy for the rest of the time... And It's hit and miss, across the board, as far as I can see... Just because I like aspects a reviewer is telling me is great about a game, doesn't mean I'll like it when i actually see it implemented myself...
Perhaps, but not always... The rave reviews for Skyrim, Bioshock, or Dark Souls did not change the fact that I found the games to be dull, monotonous, and definitely not worth the time or money spent on them...
I have a few reviewers that have tastes that seem to mirror my own, but that doesn't mean that if they like something I'll immediately buy it, nor the opposite...
hence why people need to take them with a grain of salt and need to know your own preferences. I also disliked dark souls despite what the reviews said (and I like a challenge) but I know myself and the kinds of games I like. I never bought it and only played it when I got it for free and glad I never payed money for it.
Dragon age I pre-ordered it since I enjoyed both DA:O/DA2 however if DA:I suddenly got several 5/10 then I'll pull my money out and wait for user reviews before I waste my money.
hence why people need to take them with a grain of salt and need to know your own preferences. I also disliked dark souls despite what the reviews said (and I like a challenge) but I know myself and the kinds of games I like. I never bought it and only played it when I got it for free and glad I never payed money for it.
I think there's something to be said about following the game coverage and making an informed decision on what you see; alongside the whole knowing your preferences.
First time I ever preordered something it was with ME3. I did so because I've always enjoyed Bioware games, and assumed that the conclusion to one of my favorite trilogies (in any medium) would be no different. I only really started paying attention to information regarding the game shortly before release, and I remember having an uneasy feeling by a lot of what I had heard/seen. It was revealed that Udina was always going to be the Counselor, because of something that happened in the books; the game was supposed to open with Shepard on trial for what he did in Awakening (which was an entirely optional quest); gameplay footage showed an abundance of auto-dialogue; and the child-in-the-vent scene seemed to always end the same, from what they showed during twitch streams.
I'm not saying this to start a discussion about ME3 - my point is that I had uneasy feelings with things that I saw prior to the game's release; yet I kept my preorder, and ended up feeling disappointed by the game.
Because of this, I originally didn't intend to preorder Inquisition. It was only because I had been following all of the information about the game for months now, and I *don't* have any worries about it; that I ended up preordering. (well, that and I want that darn Bog Unicorn. XD)
I know already (through gameplay footage, and released information) that Inquisition already has everything that I was hoping for (multiple races, minimal autodialogue, the ability to establish where your character stands with regards to the Chantry, tactical gameplay mode, and a number of other things) in the game. Maybe I'm just easy to please, but all of that was enough to warrant a preorder from me.
I understand not everyone will feel the same. And if you do have worries about the game, then you really shouldn't preorder it. For me, though, I don't really see any reason not to.
these are great comments and I understand 90% of you agree to this new format but im sticking to my view on this "Keep" system I simply don't like it plain and simple,it's how it is. It's like if I played WoW (and I don't anymore) from 2004 until Now....and come to fine out that all my hard work from the game means nothing when I couldn't transfer anything over....it would seriously make me pissed because I wasted all that time..The whole point I'm trying to make here is I wasted a lot of time on a game that won't be able to import/transfer when I could of just simply went to the keep and got done in 20 mins and did something else with my time.
not sure why everyone is having a hard time trying to understand what im trying to say, been repeating myself on every post.
these are great comments and I understand 90% of you agree to this new format but im sticking to my view on this "Keep" system I simply don't like it plain and simple,it's how it is. It's like if I played WoW (and I don't anymore) from 2004 until Now....and come to fine out that all my hard work from the game means nothing when I couldn't transfer anything over....it would seriously make me pissed because I wasted all that time..The whole point I'm trying to make here is I wasted a lot of time on a game that won't be able to import/transfer when I could of just simply went to the keep and got done in 20 mins and did something else with my time.
not sure why everyone is having a hard time trying to understand what im trying to say, been repeating myself on every post.
Because even if they had a save import system like you wanted IT WOULD NOT REPORT IMPORTANT PLOT FLAGS CORRECTLY.
Period end of story, what you want it not only not happening it is, literally impossible for it to be implemented across all platforms, not only because of the inherent difficulty of correcting the saves but because it's illegal for them to access and modify saves files on consoles in the ways necessary to even contemplate fixes if they could ever manage to do it in the first place.
So keep or nothing, chose wisely.
2 more things. 1 The twitch streams are incredibly rare so it's more on principle then anything else. 2 the reviews are out close to release date, and is the only point I'd consider making a pre order. Pre ordering months before release is foolish especially considering money is being asked for an unfinished product.
If i go to a restaurant twice,order different food and like what they gave me... i see no trouble in ordering food to my home for the third time, especially if it comes with some extra spices.
But everybody has their own opinion, me having a different one doesnt make it stupid
these are great comments and I understand 90% of you agree to this new format but im sticking to my view on this "Keep" system I simply don't like it plain and simple,it's how it is. It's like if I played WoW (and I don't anymore) from 2004 until Now....and come to fine out that all my hard work from the game means nothing when I couldn't transfer anything over....it would seriously make me pissed because I wasted all that time..The whole point I'm trying to make here is I wasted a lot of time on a game that won't be able to import/transfer when I could of just simply went to the keep and got done in 20 mins and did something else with my time.
not sure why everyone is having a hard time trying to understand what im trying to say, been repeating myself on every post.
I think you are missing some serious context here. Are you aware of how many of the choices in the DAO portions of the Keep transferred into DA2? 19 plus 2 which are not reflected in the Keep (one of which is not a decision). Of those 3 or so of them have major bugs in them. Basically take two sections of DAO in the Keep and you have more decisions available to you than would have carried over from DAO to DA2. Taking the Denerim section as an example, there is not a single plot point of the 11 in there which was transferred to DA2. Save importing lost all the data that the developers thought was unimportant at the time of the last import, the Keep lets you recover everything that would have otherwise have been ignored had they kept save importing.
I think you are missing some serious context here. Are you aware of how many of the choices in the DAO portions of the Keep transferred into DA2? 19 plus 2 which are not reflected in the Keep (one of which is not a decision). Of those 3 or so of them have major bugs in them. Basically take two sections of DAO in the Keep and you have more decisions available to you than would have carried over from DAO to DA2. Taking the Denerim section as an example, there is not a single plot point of the 11 in there which was transferred to DA2. Save importing lost all the data that the developers thought was unimportant at the time of the last import, the Keep lets you recover everything that would have otherwise have been ignored had they kept save importing.
Not to mention, if you imported from Origins into Awakening, then into Golems/Witch Hunt/DA2; the game wouldn't recognize your romance because Awakening doesn't have a plot flag for that. (I hear this was fixed at some point, though I'm not sure. I still can't get Morrigan to recognize our relationship, and let me go through the Elluvian with her. :\ If it's a matter of needing to beat Awakening again, that might explain it as I no longer have that disk.)
Basically every time you imported from one game to another, you were *losing* information. And as people have mentioned, there are times when the plot flags were just plain bugged.
Edit: Oh, and Ranadiel - love your signature. lol The Pig Farmer pretty much became my favorite character after she said that to me. XD
The whole point I'm trying to make here is I wasted a lot of time on a game that won't be able to import/transfer when I could of just simply went to the keep and got done in 20 mins and did something else with my time.
I get your point. But I don't understand why do you think this is a waste of time. You can just replicate your own DAO playthrough into the keep and then import into DAI. Of course you can always simply just choose random tiles in the keep without playing the games but playing the previous games ensure you have an understanding of the worldview of Thedas. You can be more immersed in DAI since you would face the consequences of the choices you made in the previous games.
these are great comments and I understand 90% of you agree to this new format but im sticking to my view on this "Keep" system I simply don't like it plain and simple,it's how it is. It's like if I played WoW (and I don't anymore) from 2004 until Now....and come to fine out that all my hard work from the game means nothing when I couldn't transfer anything over....it would seriously make me pissed because I wasted all that time..The whole point I'm trying to make here is I wasted a lot of time on a game that won't be able to import/transfer when I could of just simply went to the keep and got done in 20 mins and did something else with my time.
not sure why everyone is having a hard time trying to understand what im trying to say, been repeating myself on every post.
It's not your point, it's your premise. I don't understand how selecting your choices via the tiles in the keep instead of a direct import invalidates what you did in the previous two games. A save import will only import certain flags. Those flags are the keep tiles (though not all tiles are for Inquisition). The effect is the same; only the manner is different.
It's only a waste if you ONLY played Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age 2 to prepare for Dragon Age: Inquisition. Now that's fine if you wanted to do that but Origins was a fantastic game so I don't understand why you feel it's a waste.
*shrugs* guys we all have our preferences when it comes to deciding on spending our hard earn money on stuff.
On the subject on reviews boy ubisoft got wrecked on the unity reviews
Good on us that the inquisition got the opposite in that they are all good at least on metacritic
Ubisoft got wrecked and with good reason.
Also please don't give metacritic so much power, although I will agree that we have preferences, I just like reminding people that the best way to avoid getting burned is to not pre order and wait for reviews. Getting burned on a preorder, as I'm told anyway, is not a fun feeling.
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