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[Br3admax]

No I mean the parts in streams that all show companions talking about how they want to rebuild their old lives when the Breach is gone. Cassandra, Leliana, Vivienne, Cullen, etc. They all talk about rebuilding, not staying around Skyhold forever and reshaping the world. Reform, maybe, but reshape is not even in the cards. 

[Lulupab]

You seem to have played the early access of Inquisition already. If this is the case, I was wondering if I could pick your brain a bit. Can you share how it feels to play as an elven Inquisitor so far? I'd like to play as a follower of the Creators, as well as someone who will be wary of the (former) Chantry members who comprise the newfound Inquisition and keeps them at arm's length, given the hostilities that have arisen between the two groups for centuries. Is this possible, or is the main character restricted to playing it a certain way?

 

Sure thing. I played an elf for like an hour (minus the character creation). Before playing however I watched other people playing human and saw the interactions. The Dalish Inquisitor has many unique dialogues that the humans didn't have. You can muck the whole herald of Andraste thingy and maker. You can be distrustful of Cassandra and Leliana and chantry in general. You have plenty of opportunities to claim you believe in creators. The Chantry itself is only a potential ally, you don't have ally yourself with it at all. Not to mention the Chantry is the Inquisition biggest enemy at the beginning of the game as they are trying their best to undermine the Inquisition.

 

Up to a certain event all protagonist races have suffered a memory loss, but don't worry its a short one. No protagonist remembers what happened at the conclave or how they got there therefore you don't remember the keeper sent you there but you remember your Dalish life before that. This is just an excuse for everyone to investigate the happenings regardless of race or origin. Overall you will not be disappointed with being Dalish. In every conversation which is slightly related to you being Dalish it can be acknowledged and you have unique responses not available to other races. The Dalish inquisitor will indeed satisfy people who like it.

[Andres Hendrix]

No I mean the parts in streams that all show companions talking about how they want to rebuild their old lives when the Breach is gone. Cassandra, Leliana, Vivienne, Cullen, etc. They all talk about rebuilding, not staying around Skyhold forever and reshaping the world. Reform, maybe, but reshape is not even in the cards. 

Reformation and ‘reshaping’ mean the same thing politically...

[earl of the north]

 

 

The Andrastian Chantry has no military power (in fact, either the rogue templars or the rebel mages can become part of the Inquisition's militant arm), and the Inquisitor is being viewed as a religious figure by many people.

 

 

 

There's nothing foolish or stupid about the Inquisitor feeling as though the Chantry isn't a worthwhile ally. If the Inquisitor is a Dalish elf who follows a religion and culture that's been outlawed by the Chantry, or is a Circle mage who wants autonomy for the Circles of Magi and fair treatment for people who can use magic, then there are a plethora of reasons already why the main character wouldn't want to work with an organization that criminalizes and vilifies people like the protagonist. There's also no evidence indicating that the Chantry is necessary for victory, so I'm not seeing how it's foolish to refrain from allying with the Chantry of Andraste. In fact, there's been evidence that shows that the Inquisitor can oppose the Chantry and the Seekers.

 

Obviously didn't fully read my initial post since I wrote that it would make sense for a Dailsh elf to be anti Chantry.

 

Our choices are determined by our views and our opinions. There's also a stark difference between opinion and fact. Your opinion of the Chantry isn't one that's shared by everyone here, and conflating your opinion for fact is the primary problem I have with people like you in this thread who act as though it's wrong or "stupid" for people not to ally with the Chantry.

 

 

My 'opinion' of the Chantry?

 

My only opinion of the Chantry is that the lore has well established that the Chantry is one of the main pillars that the Andastrian culture is built on and is widely held in a positive view by its mainly human population.  Getting the Nobility and the Chantry on your side in basic common sense if you want your organisation to florish in the heartland of Chantry power.

 

People like me?

 

I play my Inquisitor how they would see their world, according to the backgrounds. I will play an anti Chantry Inquisitor (probably several) and I hope that it will realistically make my task harder. I will play pro Chantry Inquisitors and I will play Inquisitors who don't give a damn about the Chantry but will use them and anybody else to complete their objectives.

 

 

Technically, the lore reads that most clans have a history of wanting to be left anyone. I also disagree with your notion of racial purity. You're equating the idea of biologically-motivated racial preserving with an ethnocentric sense of racial purity, which isn't the same thing. Saying "We must preserve the white race because it is better than the brown people so no white people can have children with brown people" is radically different from saying "If elves don't have children with elves, elves will physically cease to exist forever as a species".

 

Their treatment of city elves shows racist tendencies and their constant use of (to them) racist terms for the non-Dalish is well established by the games and books.  Many humans are racist in Thedas but equally mainly Dalish are racist.

[LobselVith8]

Sure thing. I played an elf for like an hour (minus the character creation). Before playing however I watched other people playing human and saw the interactions. The Dalish Inquisitor has many unique dialogues that the humans didn't have. You can muck the whole herald of Andraste thingy and maker. You can be distrustful of Cassandra and Leliana and chantry in general. You have plenty of opportunities to claim you believe in creators. The Chantry itself is only a potential ally, you don't have ally yourself with it at all. Not to mention the Chantry is the Inquisition biggest enemy at the beginning of the game as they are trying their best to undermine the Inquisition.

 

Up to a certain event all protagonist races have suffered a memory loss, but don't worry its a short one. No protagonist remembers what happened at the conclave or how they got there therefore you don't remember the keeper sent you there but you remember your Dalish life before that. This is just an excuse for everyone to investigate the happenings regardless of race or origin. Overall you will not be disappointed with being Dalish. In every conversation which is slightly related to you being Dalish it can be acknowledged and you have unique responses not available to other races. The Dalish inquisitor will indeed satisfy people who like it.

 

Thank you very much, Lulupab! I'm very happy to hear that the elven perspective hasn't been diluted for the Dalish Inquisitor. 

 

Also nice to hear that the Chantry is a potential ally, and not a mandatory one; I don't think it would make sense to ally with them on my first run, given everything that has transpired between the Dalish and the Chantry since the war with the Dales and the annexation of the elven homeland. Out of curiosity, can the elven Inquisitor say that the mark is a blessing of the Creators, since I heard the shemlen Inquisitor can say they are blessed by the Maker?

[Lulupab]

Thank you very much, Lulupab! I'm very happy to hear that the elven perspective hasn't been diluted for the Dalish Inquisitor. 

 

Also nice to hear that the Chantry is a potential ally, and not a mandatory one; I don't think it would make sense to ally with them on my first run, given everything that has transpired between the Dalish and the Chantry since the war with the Dales and the annexation of the elven homeland. Out of curiosity, can the elven Inquisitor say that the mark is a blessing of the Creators, since I heard the shemlen Inquisitor can say they are blessed by the Maker?

 

No problem at all . Your character is somewhat confused at the beginning. If you go with that line of thought, the Dalish inquisitor doesn't think he is chosen at all, least of all by the maker. Naturally as a Dalish you mistrust the fade. I didn't see all the dialogues but you can claim you worship the creators and do not believe in the maker but I didn't see any claiming the mark came from the creators. I think its better this way because the creators are not in the fade and the Dalish don't like the fade and its entities. The people will call you herald of Andraste regardless of anything, The Qunari and dwarven inquisitors are the same.

 

Also in order to make the Chantry your ally you have to *replace certain members or it won't happen. Basically you are putting puppets in charge to silence them and turn them into your cause.

[The Elder King]

No problem at all . Your character is somewhat confused at the beginning. If you go with that line of thought, the Dalish inquisitor doesn't think he is chosen at all, least of all by the maker. Naturally as a Dalish you mistrust the fade. I didn't see all the dialogues but you can claim you worship the creators and do not believe in the maker but I didn't see any claiming the mark came from the creators. I think its better this way because the creators are not in the fade and the Dalish don't like the fade and its entities. The people will call you herald of Andraste regardless of anything, The Qunari and dwarven inquisitors are the same.
 
Also in order to make the Chantry your ally you have to *replace certain members or it won't happen. Basically you are putting puppets in charge to silence them and turn them into your cause.

Can you send me a PM with the details and names of the last part of your post?

[LobselVith8]

No problem at all . Your character is somewhat confused at the beginning. If you go with that line of thought, the Dalish inquisitor doesn't think he is chosen at all, least of all by the maker. Naturally as a Dalish you mistrust the fade. I didn't see all the dialogues but you can claim you worship the creators and do not believe in the maker but I didn't see any claiming the mark came from the creators. I think its better this way because the creators are not in the fade and the Dalish don't like the fade and its entities. The people will call you herald of Andraste regardless of anything, The Qunari and dwarven inquisitors are the same.

 

Gracias. I can understand that. The Creators are imprisoned in the Eternal City and orthodox Dalish believe that all spirits are dangerous, so that makes sense. Does the elven Inquisitor use elven venacular - like 'spirits' and 'the Beyond' instead of 'demons' and the 'Fade'? Is there any clue or indication as to how the Dalish clans feel about the elven Inquisitor wielding this power - both with the mark, and having authority over this shemlen organization?

 

Also in order to make the Chantry your ally you have to *replace certain members or it won't happen. Basically you are putting puppets in charge to silence them and turn them into your cause.

 

That sounds like the Inquisitor can take control of the Chantry.

[Veloric Wu]

From what I saw, alot. You can outright tell many people including Leliana, Cass and even a high ranking cleric you don't believe in the Maker or that you reject the title given on to oyu.

 

"I am a Tal-Vashoth. Your human gods do not speak to me. We will never speak of this again (quoting Sten) "

when playing Qunari. I won't mind, however, if Leliana calls me a softie. 

 

"You shemlens keep your religions to yourselves" when I play as Dalish.

 

When I play as a human I am definitely going to cherish the title and hope I am worthy of the blessing holy Andraste has bestowed upon me.

[Lulupab]

Can you send me a PM with the details and names of the last part of your post?

 
There is no need for PM actually. Do remember that I told my own understanding of the conversations so I could be wrong or right, but I do have screenshots from said conversations (The Chantry opposing inquisition and we influencing those in power among clerics to get support from Chantry)
Images are inside the spoiler:
 

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Gracias. I can understand that. The Creators are imprisoned in the Eternal City and orthodox Dalish believe that all spirits are dangerous, so that makes sense. Does the elven Inquisitor use elven venacular - like 'spirits' and 'the Beyond' instead of 'demons' and the 'Fade'? Is there any clue or indication as to how the Dalish clans feel about the elven Inquisitor wielding this power - both with the mark, and having authority over this shemlen organization?
 
 
That sounds like the Inquisitor can take control of the Chantry.

 
I haven't played that much to know about how the clans feel about you. As I said the protagonist is quite confused at the beginning but with time things start to look better, while speaking with Cass you still call it the fade to not confuse them. Again I think its better and realistic. Even though we Europeans know the sport as football most of us call it soccer to not confuse the Americans. In places where it actually matters you use Dalish words and treated as a Dalish. For example Solas blatantly speaks with you about "the beyond" eventhough he is a rift mage and has been in the fade way too much. 
 
This image made be adore Josephine, she doesn't treat other none-human Inquisitors like this:
 

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She greets you with elven language!
 

[VelvetStraitjacket]

The Chantry shall go down the shitter in my games - if I get that choice.

[Lulupab]

The Chantry shall go down the shitter in my games - if I get that choice.

 

With help of mother Giselle and others we can get acceptance of the Chantry but we don't have to necessarily ally with them. They need us, not the other way around. They have no army or anything. All they do is rant, specially if Inquisitor is not human. We cannot disband or destroy the chantry but it seems we can reduce its influence and power. The people will not change their faith overnight but the Chantry can and does lose its grasp over politics if you want this route.

 

Interestingly Cassandra and Leliana are NOT against such decisions.

[Vilegrim]

Did I say it was foolish for people to play their character differently than me?

 

1)I said it was foolish for the someone in the Inquisitior position to follow an anti Chantry course and it is, as I mentioned your playing in the heartland of Chantry support, its foolish to throw away one of the main pillars of the Andrastian culture and  a real life Inquisitor would be in a much weaker position following a anti Chantry course rather than a pro or netural stance.

 

As the player we are free to follow any course we want, within the limitations of the game but it doesn't make it the smartest choice in a real world situation.

 

 

 

 

2)The Dalish have a history of abuse by humans (Tevinter mages especially) but they also have a history of abusing humans including murdering unarmed humans they come across in 'their' forests and they have a well recorded history of racist ideals, their belief in their own 'Elven' purity, their abandonment over the majority of the elven population (and their racists views about them) and the belief in their own racial superiority over humans, dwarfs, city elves etc.

 

While some Dalish Clans are moderates (and even in a moderate clan the killing of unarmed humans is apparently okay behaviour) others are not and have been shown not to be (in the recent novel 'The Masked Empire').

 

 

 

1) it can however been honestly seen as more morally good.  Some people aren't willing to give up a characters moral position for easy wins.

 

2)Since the Chantry has a Kill On Sight order (less or more enforced, but still in the chant) to all none alienage elves a blow back from that position makes sense.  Seriously IF the guy I met because of his religion may decide to gut me in the street, and the law would back him...yea I would shoot first, especially if they came near my house.

 

 

On a completely unrelated note: Watch the Sainsbury's 2014 Christmas ad. It will give you more all the feels than any computer game ever should.

An honest representation of the Christmas Truce without any advertisements until after the 3 minute scene plays out, made with the Royal British Legion should do that and does for me.

[rigron]

From what I have seen on vids:

 

(Spoilers about the Chantry, and possible minor spoilers about rebelled Templars, rebelled Mages, Vivienne and the Circle of Mages)

 

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It is the Chantry the one who actually opposes YOU and wants you to be executed. The Inquisitor (and the Inquisition) don´t work for the Chantry, they are on their own. By some conversations I have seen you get options to either support the Chantry´s beliefs and making excuses for them or directly telling people you reject them and oppose to their views and commands, but since people haven´t play more than the 6 hours of the EA access none has reached an advanced part of the game so we still don´t know if our opposition to the Chantry is only vocal or can be more..."active" to say the least.

 

Also, the first conversations with your Councelors in the War Table involves they giving you their thoughts on who you should support, if the rebelled Mages or the rebelled Templars. Both sides have rejected the Chantry for their own reasons and it seems like you need at least 1 of them to either strengthen your Mark and close the Great Rift (Mages) or weak the Great Rift so you can close it (Templars). BUT Vivienne´s recruitmen specifically involves accepting an alliance between the Inquistion and the Circle of Mages loyal to the Chantry if you accept her, or rejecting an alliance with the Circle of Mages loyal to the Chantry if you reject her, so none knows, there is so much possibilities out there and until someone Wednesday (because I don´t really think someone will be able to advance the game to a real late part on Tuesday) probably none will know the answer

[Doominike]

Ah so I probably won't go forward with my "recruit vivienne just to insult her" plan