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[Deebo305]

Anders is always dead in my playthroughs so...I'm good. Didn't like him in Awakening and despised him in DA2

I'm always surprised to hear so many people like him

[Senya]

Yeah go on be "pretty sure" about it then. The word used is invasion, not a welcomed prince. Kirkwall and Starkhaven have fought before and I doubt the people liked it.

Hey, southern Germany didn't like Prussia either, but things worked out. And Sebastian had a better justification than Bismarck.

[Eivion]

Sebastian was a terribly indecisive individual and never came across as particularly intelligent. Not really sure I like him taking over Kirkwall be it by peace or force. It does sounds like Aveline may be the one actually keeping things together though which does make sense and works for me.

[Senya]

Anders is always dead in my playthroughs so...I'm good. Didn't like him in Awakening and despised him in DA2
I'm always surprised to hear so many people like him

The same reason a dick I once talked to liked Osama, I imagine. They sympathize with his goals and say their group suffered more.

The internet is a strange place...

[dekarserverbot]

I hated Sebastian so much. But I'm thrilled to hear about the companions. I hope they get more than just this passing mention.

 

Don't we all? Sebastian is the most hateable character ever created. I need a second spoiler about DA2 crappy companions: What if you killed some of them?

[AresKeith]

Don't we all? Sebastian is the most hateable character ever created. I need a second spoiler about DA2 crappy companions: What if you killed some of them?

 

That's a strange way to spell DA2 Anders 

[Lulupab]

Hey, southern Germany didn't like Prussia either, but things worked out. And Sebastian had a better justification than Bismarck.

 
This real life example is relevant how? Cassandra is asking Varric how he is feeling about invasion of his home, I doubt it was pretty. Sebastian implies he rather burn kirkwall to the ground rather than letting mages have it. Mages actually don't "have" it, they escape and Cullen already restores order. So Kirkwall was not under the control of mages.
 

The same reason a dick I once talked to liked Osama, I imagine. They sympathize with his goals and say their group suffered more.
The internet is a strange place...

Comparing Osama to Anders is a much bigger rarity than liking Anders. Osama is not possessed and he doesn't live in a magical world. I can't believe I'm even taking about this. 

 

Anders is a grey morality character, very similar to Loghian from DAO and he is an anti-hero. An antihero is often driven by impure, but sympathetic, motives. Vengeance is a big one. Who among us hasn’t at least slightly wanted revenge? We might not agree with it, but we sympathize. A villain is driven by impure, but unsympathetic, motives—power for the sake of power, for example. That's not Anders.

[RicochetHawke]

The same reason a dick I once talked to liked Osama, I imagine. They sympathize with his goals and say their group suffered more.

The internet is a strange place...

 

Did you really just compare Anders to Osama? That's insane. lol

[Malkavianqueen]

This has me somewhat concerned. Does anyone know if the DA2 romances are ever mentioned?

[Kinsz]

The reapers from Mass effect had motives too , anyways Anders dies in my playthroughs everytime , sometimes i let him go just to kill him again in the gallows. 

[AceHalberd]

Did you really just compare Anders to Osama? That's insane. lol

Not to mention the goals are entirely different; Anders believed his people were opressed, and sought to end the general civil acceptance of this oppression because otherwise, things wouldn't change.

[Elite Midget]

Huh, and some of you said Sebastian was bluffing.

 

My FemHawke was Viscount for a time and she killed her lover Anders so I assume things are better as Sebastian will have no reason to invade and my FemHawke hopefully was able to set Kirkwall straight, as it can be without it breaking into chaos, before she left.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I see hawke did another good job by not killing seb.

[Ogillardetta]

I hope we finally get to kill Sebastian. I don't care if Anders killed 3 old ladies and 20 lyrium junkies Sebastian is planning to sack the town, and armies rape,destroys and steals as they go so I really hope Avaline can hold the line against Starkhaven because the people will suffer more if she can't.

[Zered]

Eh why all the Sebastian hate?

[Elite Midget]

I see hawke did another good job by not killing seb.

That was never an option, besides killing royalty is frowned upon and I doubt Kirkwall or many of the companions would agree to killing Sebastain because he's RIGHTFULLY angry at Anders and how disgusted he is over possibly sparing Anders.

 

Heck, Merrill seems to be the ONLY one of the companions who advocates that Anders should live.

 

Varric is sick of everything because of what Anders has done which made everything worse.

Aveline is DISGUSTED at Anders.

Fenris wants you to kill Anders right away.

Sebastian wants Anders dead.

Isabela could go either way.

 

It's 4 vs 1 with Isabela going either way.

 

Besides, a sane Hawke would kill Anders anyway as the people of Kirkwall are suffering because of him and Hawke is supposed to be their Champion.

 

 

I hope we finally get to kill Sebastian. I don't care if Anders killed 3 old ladies and 20 lyrium junkies Sebastian is planning to sack the town, and armies rape,destroys and steals as they go so I really hope Avaline can hold the line against Starkhaven because the people will suffer more if she can't.

Not all armies aim to "rape". Sebastian believes in "order" and his goal is to kill Anders, he doesn't have anything against the average Mage.

[Ogillardetta]

Eh why all the Sebastian hate?

Because he sacks an entire town because he wants revenge on a mage who doesn't even live there anymore. I didn't hate him before I refused kill Anders one playthrough then he showed his true face "I'm gonna burn Kirkwall to the ground!!" 

[Chernaya]

Wow, reeeally? Comparing fans of a video game character to people who support an actual terrorist in the real world is kinda ridiculous. You don't have to understand people's different opinions but that's going a bit too far.

 

Interesting video, but Varric's attitude in the end caught my attention more than anything. Poor guy, he's been through a lot. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

That was never an option, besides killing royalty is frowned upon and I doubt Kirkwall or many of the companions would agree to killing Sebastain because he's RIGHTFULLY angry at Anders and how disgusted he is over possibly sparing Anders.

 

Heck, Merrill seems to be the ONLY one of the companions who advocates that Anders should live.

 

Varric is sick of everything because of what Anders has done which made everything worse.

Aveline is DISGUSTED at Anders.

Fenris wants you to kill Anders right away.

Sebastian wants Anders dead.

Isabela could go either way.

 

It's 4 vs 1 with Isabela going either way.

 

Besides, a sane Hawke would kill Anders anyway as the people of Kirkwall are suffering because of him and Hawke is supposed to be their Champion.

 

 

Not all armies aim to "rape". Sebastian believes in "order" and his goal is to kill Anders, he doesn't have anything against the average Mage.

 

Yeah sebastian just said he will burn kirkwall to the ground not to mention that every of those companions stays loyal to you (assuming you had enough approval) and aveline is ready to give up her job in kirkwall for hawke.

 

Im sure that hawke was very concerned with killing sebastian when he pretty mych possible was pissing off biggest religious organisation in world...

 

rather poor attempt to excuse hawke for again not taking action.

[Yuoaman]

 

Besides, a sane Hawke would kill Anders anyway as the people of Kirkwall are suffering because of him and Hawke is supposed to be their Champion.

My Hawke was Kirkwall's champion: not its judge, nor its executioner. I wasn't the one to make that call.

[Lulupab]

 

That was never an option, besides killing royalty is frowned upon and I doubt Kirkwall or many of the companions would agree to killing Sebastain because he's RIGHTFULLY angry at Anders and how disgusted he is over possibly sparing Anders.

 

Heck, Merrill seems to be the ONLY one of the companions who advocates that Anders should live.

 

Varric is sick of everything because of what Anders has done which made everything worse.

Aveline is DISGUSTED at Anders.

Fenris wants you to kill Anders right away.

Sebastian wants Anders dead.

Isabela could go either way.

 

It's 4 vs 1 with Isabela going either way.

 

Besides, a sane Hawke would kill Anders anyway as the people of Kirkwall are suffering because of him and Hawke is supposed to be their Champion.

 

 

Not all armies aim to "rape". Sebastian believes in "order" and his goal is to kill Anders, he doesn't have anything against the average Mage.

 

 

This is a funny post, Anders is long gone from Kirkwall and Sebastian knows that. Also order is already restored by Cullen. Sebastian is creating more chaos.

[KCMeredith]

My Hawke was Kirkwall's champion: not its judge, nor its executioner. I wasn't the one to make that call.

This

I even wanted to let Anders go but had to kill him a bit later, sadly. He was my buddy, I didn't want to be the one killing him.

[Daerog]

In my canon run, Anders was begging Hawke to kill him. My Hawke's good friend, Sebastian, agreed with Anders, so Hawke executed Anders. Everyone wins!

 

If Sebastian still invades Kirkwall even though he is set to Friend in the Keep... well, then I still approve and Aveline should help make way for Kirkwall's new ruler!

[Blue Item]

Anders killed what, a max of a few hundred people if by some bad luck he hit the Chantry during a service, otherwise a hundred or less? Whereas Sebastian is planning to burn Kirkwall to ground, and even if he somehow doesn't completely sack the city, he's still causing many more deaths both from soldiers on both sides fighting as well as any innocents his army (or I suppose whoever is defending Kirkwall) exploits -- the lot of any surrounding villiages is pretty horrible if an army is on the march or defending nearby.

 

Oh, and what is Sebastian's reason for all this bloodshed? Why, it's vengeance! And unlike Anders, he doesn't even have the excuse of a spirit/demon influencing him, that's 100% human failing right there.

 

Now, the arguement could be made that Ander's actions started the Mage-Templar War, but there are many more people at fault (Meredith, arguably Orsino as well, Lambert, that-one-spoiler-person-from-Asunder, etc.). Sebastian's crusade on Kirkwall is all on him.

[Ogillardetta]

 

 

Not all armies aim to "rape". Sebastian believes in "order" and his goal is to kill Anders, he doesn't have anything against the average Mage.

 

 I didn't say that Sebastians aim is to rape, he "only" wants to burn Kirkwall to the ground so he may find Anders he said so himself, now Imagine if a medieval army of the size it takes to claim a city got free reigns to burn a city. I don't think they would hesitate to take other liberities. War is cruel for the people in the area its being fought in and to put people through that for your own vengance against one man is extremly petty and disgusting in my eyes.