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[Lulupab]

 I didn't say that Sebastians aim is to rape, he "only" wants to burn Kirkwall to the ground so he may find Anders he said so himself, now Imagine if a medieval army of the size it takes to claim a city got free reigns to burn a city. I don't think they would hesitate to take other liberities. War is cruel for the people in the area its being fought in and to put people through that for your own vengance against one man is extremly petty and disgusting in my eyes.

 

For the sake of Sebastian fans I do hope they are trolling because otherwise that's a huge hypocrisy right there.

 

We have to look at facts:

 

1. We know fora fact that if alive Anders escapes far away from Kirkwall

2. Its canon that Cullen restores order and its also canon even if you side with mages, the mages escape from city. The city is NOT under the control of mages

3. Sebastian himself openly claims he would rather burn the city than letting Anders live.

 

Sebastian is NOT restoring order, his act is Vengeance in its most simple and pettiest form.

[xkg]

 I didn't say that Sebastians aim is to rape, he "only" wants to burn Kirkwall to the ground so he may find Anders he said so himself, now Imagine if a medieval army of the size it takes to claim a city got free reigns to burn a city. I don't think they would hesitate to take other liberities. War is cruel for the people in the area its being fought in and to put people through that for your own vengance against one man is extremly petty and disgusting in my eyes.

 

It is not just about Sebastian's vengence, I think he is better than that, and it is for greater good. You know that terrorist running rampant is even more dangerous, and needs to be stopped. That reminds me about recent RL history but nevermind that, better not touch this one here.

 

Anyway, I executed Anders and Seb is good buddy in my pt.

[Ogillardetta]

It is not just about Sebastian's vengence, I think he is better than that, and it is for greater good. You know that terrorist running rampant is even more dangerous, and needs to be stopped. That reminds me about recent RL history but nevermind that, better not touch this one here.

 

Anyway, I executed Anders and Seb is good buddy in my pt.

Well as the poser above you stated, Cullen has already restored order. Now I wouldn't mind if he rode around with a small gang of templars looking for Anders without burning or killing innocents. That would be an normal reaction. Not an invasion of a city that the mages and mage in question has already left.

[Zered]

Kirkwall is a lost cause, if anything I would have razed it myself if Hawke had the chance in da2

[Laughing_Man]

Hmm... I don't see why you people are so angry about Sebastian attacking kirkwall, after all that's what the Maker did.

 

A few assholes made a blood sacrifice as part of an insane quest for more power,

so the omnipotent being called the Maker punishes the entire population of the world with the blights.

 

Hmm... I'm seeing a common thread between the Maker, Anders, and Sebastian.

They were all too caught up in their own hubris and self-righteousness, that they didn't care about who gets harmed in their vengeance.

[AKmom2001]

Is anyone able to confirm whether or not varric is supposed to say something different in regards to the character you romanced? I am just trying to figure out if I managed to botch my keep import or if this dialogue is standard for everyone.

[Birdy]

Who cares about Sebastian, LI should be the interest. 

[Bigdoser]

Hmm... I don't see why you people are so angry about Sebastian attacking kirkwall, after all that's what the Maker did.

 

A few assholes made a blood sacrifice as part of an insane quest for more power,

so the omnipotent being called the Maker punishes the entire population of the world with the blights.

 

Hmm... I'm seeing a common thread between the Maker, Anders, and Sebastian.

They were all too caught up in their own hubris and self-righteousness, that they didn't care about who gets harmed in their vengeance.

Indeed, personally going by what varric said Anders is not even in Kirkwall anymore instead of going on a manhunt for him considering all his resources he attacks the city. Well I bet this is going to be an Advisor quest on how to deal with him since I assume if you killed anders you get that relief effort mission. 

 

Sooo now I have to decide possibly assassination, diplomacy or sending reinforcements to kirkwall IF an Advisor mission for this issue comes up. Quite curious on how the Advisors will handle it if it is a mission. 

[Kel Eligor]

DA2 Sebastian was... preachy, indecisive and a black-hole of charisma. Anders was committed to his cause to the point of being annoying until he finally murdered people. Considering the generations of abuse of mages, many would have done far worse, much sooner. While I believe Justice was the catalyst in what drove Anders to his actions, it's fairly obvious that the downward spiral of the mage-condition across Thedas would lead to similar events at someone else's hand in due time.

 

Meredith is far more guilty of refusing any sort of parley and compromise, which pushed most mages in Kirkwall to Blood Magic. Her intolerance only bred more insanity out of necessity. The Chantry only elongated that spectacle up to its breaking-point. Sebastian is intensely little-minded to believe the tensions would have ended peacefully for one side or the other. Meredith would have begun a slow genocide of mages, backed by the Chantry's disgusting doctrine which he believes in. 

[Nohvarr]

I think Sebastian invades regardless of Anders' fate.

Prove it.

[The Elder King]

Don't worry. Sebastian is kind of a douche. I'm sure he'll invade Kirkwall regardless.

  

I think Sebastian invades regardless of Anders' fate.

Nope. The banter between Cass and Varric in the video? There was one in a Emerald Graves Footage from people that played the game in October who followed the same pattern (Cassandra Wanting to inform Varric) where the invasion isn't mentioned, so it's likely he invades only if you spared Anders.
Also, to the people saying he forgave Anders and Not Seb, The video hints that he doesn't want to hear about Anders anymore.

[The Elder King]

Prove it.

Don't worry, he's most likely wrong.

[Jaison1986]

If I can request Leliana to have Sebastian assassinated, all the better. Seriously, subjulgating an city for the actions of an person that is no longer there? I wouldn't mind if he went on an manhunt to get Anders, that would be his business, but what he did at Kirkwall was overkill. He is no better then Anders.

[Bigdoser]

If I can request Leliana to have Sebastian assassinated, all the better. Seriously, subjulgating an city for the actions of an person that is no longer there? I wouldn't mind if he went on an manhunt to get Anders, that would be his business, but what he did at Kirkwall was overkill. He is no better then Anders.

I suspect there is going to be an Advisor mission for this issue since it seems Sebastian has a different mission if you did kill Anders since in that one he is providing a relief effort to Kirkwall and needs more help so he sends a request to the Inquisition. 

 

I assume this time since he is invading someone in Kirkwall maybe the new Viscount or Even Aveline will request the inquisition for aid in defending Kirkwall. 

[Nohvarr]

Don't worry, he's most likely wrong.

Oh I'm sure he is. Personally I don't agree with Sebastian invading the city and will make it a point to talk him down. That said, I doubt he'll burn the city to the ground. What he said was in a moment of passion and grief. Given a chance to calm down I feel he wouldn't go to such extreme measures.

 

However, it's likely something I won't have to worry about. I put Anders in the ground, thus giving Sebastian no reason to invade the city.

[Lulupab]

Nope. The banter between Cass and Varric in the video? There was one in a Emerald Graves Footage from people that played the game in October who followed the same pattern (Cassandra Wanting to inform Varric) where the invasion isn't mentioned, so it's likely he invades only if you spared Anders.
Also, to the people saying he forgave Anders and Not Seb, The video hints that he doesn't want to hear about Anders anymore.

 

I'm happy with the outcome regardless. Now we all know Sebastian is a child and doesn't give a rat's ass about anyone who died in explosion except Elthina or anyone  who dies in his invasion. If anything I'm gonna spare Anders so that he invades and I have a reason to gut him. Sebastian is Vengeance and he doesn't need a spirit to do it.

[SwobyJ]

I think we should have a Free Marches/Kirkwall DAI expansion and the DA writers should do the impossible and let us redeem Kirkwall.

 

Would be pretty epic, if merged well enough with other storylines.

 

And Sebastian would be a cool consequence - as an ally, neutral, or enemy.

[Hellion Rex]

 If anything I'm gonna spare Anders so that he invades and I have a reason to gut him. Sebastian is Vengeance and he doesn't need a spirit to do it.

Lol, like you weren't gonna spare Anders anyways. And Anders is just as vengeful.

[CENIC]

All we know is that Sebastian invaded Kirkwall - not the how or why.

But... the way Varric says it, and how he reacts to Cassandra's questioning, makes me think it was a bloody invasion. I like Sebastian, so I'm disappointed in him if he's taking out his anger at Anders on innocent people. Definitely not recruiting him in the Keep in playthroughs where I spare Anders unless I want some drama.

[eternalshiva]

There's a quest where Sebastian asks for help to rebuild Kirkwall, etc from the inquisition (it shows him as a prince iirc in the stream) so it's only logical that the previous Hawke had convinced him to go back and be a prince and killed Anders in DA2.

 

He only invades if you let Anders live.

 

The irrational Sebastian Character Hate and wishes of death is strong in this thread. Wow.

[Nohvarr]

I'm happy with the outcome regardless. Now we all know Sebastian is a child and doesn't give a rat's ass about anyone who died in explosion except Elthina or anyone  who dies in his invasion. If anything I'm gonna spare Anders so that he invades and I have a reason to gut him. Sebastian is Vengeance and he doesn't need a spirit to do it.

And I'm happy to see you for what you are. You call Sebastian a child when you decide to leave a character alive that killed hundreds just to goad him into invading a city so you have an excuse to kill him.

 

 

There's a quest where Sebastian asks for help to rebuild Kirkwall, etc from the inquisition (it shows him as a prince iirc in the stream) so it's only logical that the previous Hawke had convinced him to go back and be a prince and killed Anders in DA2.

I knew putting Anders in the ground was the right thing to do.

 

Request cheerfully granted Sebastian.

[herkles]

I want to know how sebastian is different if you romanced him

[Lulupab]

Lol, like you weren't gonna spare Anders anyways. And Anders is just as vengeful.

 
Spirit made me him do it! He has the excuse while Sebastian doesn't. You know I can't even get mad at him because he is just so immature. He was like Elthina muh mum, YOU WILL ALL PAY. 
 
Also he invades the city for what? The order is restored and Anders is long gone and he knows that. Its petty and childish Vengeance in opposed to Anders killing a key target. 
 
 

And I'm happy to see you for what you are. You call Sebastian a child when you decide to leave a character alive that killed hundreds just to goad him into invading a city so you have an excuse to kill him.
 
 
I knew putting Anders in the ground was the right thing to do.
 
Request cheerfully granted Sebastian.

 

Your answer in this post below, Sebastian killed and harmed many more people for a petty and childish Vegeance shceme. Sebastian is taking his anger on people of Kirkwall, he is worse than Anders and better he shows his true face now than later.

For the sake of Sebastian fans I do hope they are trolling because otherwise that's a huge hypocrisy right there.
 
We have to look at facts:
 
1. We know fora fact that if alive Anders escapes far away from Kirkwall
2. Its canon that Cullen restores order and its also canon even if you side with mages, the mages escape from city. The city is NOT under the control of mages
3. Sebastian himself openly claims he would rather burn the city than letting Anders live.
 
Sebastian is NOT restoring order, his act is Vengeance in its most simple and pettiest form.

[Nohvarr]

 Your answer in this post below, Sebastian killed and harmed many more people for a petty and childish Vegeance shceme. Sebastian is taking his anger on people of Kirkwall, he is worse than Anders and better he shows his true face now than later.

Prove it. No really, count everyone Anders killed in the blast, all those who died in the subsequent fighting then add in everyone killed during the war.

Now compare that to all the people killed by Sebastian during the possible invasion of Kirkwall.

 

Let's see who has more blood on their hands.

 

Edit:

 

I do admit to finding it somewhat amusing the Anders was forced to flee from other mages who blamed him for starting this. Not enough to let him live, but it's amusing none the less.