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[Ogillardetta]

 Sebastian DEMANDS that YOU kill someone or he'll start a war with a nation that had nothing to do with Anders more than that he lived in its gutter for 10 years. Its that part that gets to me. And to the people saying that "maybe the invation is super peaceful like! Because I don't think Sebastian would really burn down a town!" If he invaded another citystate for a man that isn't even there anymore what makes you think that he wouldn't do the other things he swore that he would? He seems to keep his word I'll give him that much.

 

[Ogillardetta]

yea because we have absolute confirmation that Sebastian is killing "innocents" in kirkwall, right ? right? wrong , the ridiculousness in this thread is beyond words.

 

 

Not Sebastian maybe but the army he brought with him. As I posted earlier he might have "noble" intentions but I doubt that an army that size doesn't take its price. 

[dogstar12]

What happens if Isabella or Merril is your LI does varric story change, also will we meet them?

[Kinsz]

 Sebastian DEMANDS that YOU kill someone or he'll start a war with a nation that had nothing to do with Anders more than that he lived in its gutter for 10 years. Its that part that gets to me. And to the people saying that "maybe the invation is super peaceful like! Because I don't think Sebastian would really burn down a town!" If he invaded another citystate for a man that isn't even there anymore what makes you think that he wouldn't do the other things he swore that he would? He seems to keep his word I'll give him that much.

 

 

Thing is neither you nor the people defending Seb should be jumping to conclusions as neither camp can prove anything .

[Ogillardetta]

Thing is neither you nor the people defending Seb should be jumping to conclusions as neither camp can prove anything .

Except the Cassandra/Varric banter, the invastion souded pretty bad when they talked about it. 

[Lulupab]

Thing is neither you nor the people defending Seb should be jumping to conclusions as neither camp can prove anything .

 

No one "jumped to conclusions". Based on what we know currently it was a military invasion. Yes we don't know the death toll but its delusional to think there was no death, people who had nothing to with all of it. Varric and Cassandra make it sound bad.

[fizzypop]

I ****** hate sebastian. I want to stab him in the goddamn eye. I love villains, but he is just pathetic and annoying. I'm hoping if I didn't encounter him I will never see his face again.

[Ace Attorney]

The thing is, I didn't want my Hawke to judge Anders. If he was judge fairly and sentenced to death, prison, whatever, I'd be fine with that. But they let Hawke judge. Now I'm torn if to change Anders's Fate (or recruiting Sebastian altogether) in the Keep.

[LOLandStuff]

Everyone p*****s out and lets Hawke do all the hard dirty work.

[herkles]

The thing is, I didn't want my Hawke to judge Anders. If he was judge fairly and sentenced to death, prison, whatever, I'd be fine with that. But they let Hawke judge. Now I'm torn if to change Anders's Fate (or recruiting Sebastian altogether) in the Keep.

so you bring back Kelder ,who is a serial killer targeting elven girls, to the magistrate. As that is the rightful and lawful thing to do. Sure the magistrate will likely not punish him. But as you say, Hawke is not the judge/jury/or executioner to kill Kelder. 

[Ace Attorney]

so you bring back Kelder ,who is a serial killer targeting elven girls, to the magistrate. As that is the rightful and lawful thing to do. Sure the magistrate will likely not punish him. But as you say, Hawke is not the judge/jury/or executioner to kill Kelder.

so you bring back Kelder ,who is a serial killer targeting elven girls, to the magistrate. As that is the rightful and lawful thing to do. Sure the magistrate will likely not punish him. But as you say, Hawke is not the judge/jury/or executioner to kill Kelder.

Yes. You're getting it.

[RicochetHawke]

yea because we have absolute confirmation that Sebastian is killing "innocents" in kirkwall, right ? right? wrong , the ridiculousness in this thread is beyond words.

 

Anders pretty much killed Sebastian's mother ( he pretty much considered elthina that ) of course he'd want revenge, who wouldnt ? trying to discredit him by making stuff up such as " but but his army is raping women and killing innocents" when you have 0 proof that he is in fact killing "innocents" is beyond comical. If anything he is probably purging the city of the blood mages that stayed behind and hasnt touched anyone else :-) ( see i can make stuff up as well to benefit me ).

 

Anyways if you killed Anders as shown in a video before , Sebastian does not attack Kirkwall.

 

Were you not listening to the banter between Cassandra and Varric?

 

Sebastian -invaded- 

And going by their conversation, it sounded as though Kirkwall was in bad shape. To what extent, we don't know... But the fact is, things are not good in Kirkwall after Sebastian invades. I doubt Varric would care much if Sebastian's was taking out blood mages only. Obviously it's far worse than that.

[badboy64]

so you bring back Kelder ,who is a serial killer targeting elven girls, to the magistrate. As that is the rightful and lawful thing to do. Sure the magistrate will likely not punish him. But as you say, Hawke is not the judge/jury/or executioner to kill Kelder. 

I let Fenris kill him instead. Just like Judge Dredd says Judge, Jury and Executioner all in one package. If Sebastian is brought before me then he will get the chopping block without hesitation.

[Lulupab]

I let Fenris kill him instead. Just like Judge Dredd says Judge, Jury and Executioner all in one package.

Anders and Carver want him to die, you decide to kill him, Fenris kills him

[Kinsz]

Were you not listening to the banter between Cassandra and Varric?

 

Sebastian -invaded- 

And going by their conversation, it sounded as though Kirkwall was in bad shape. To what extent, we don't know... But the fact is, things are not good in Kirkwall after Sebastian invades. I doubt Varric would care much if Sebastian's was taking out blood mages only. Obviously it's far worse than that.

 

Yea because Cassandra always exactly knows whats going on right ? judging from watching her interrogate Varric in DA2 i wouldnt say so, anyways im not likely to change anyone's mind on this so lets just agree to disagree :-).

[LOLandStuff]

You mean Cassandra isn't all knowing?

 

And doesn't Sebastian invade if you let Anders live? Makes sense then, but not something I agree with. I'm actually surprised he went through with his threat. Who knew...

[Vhaius]

So people like Sebastian invading and killing even more people than Anders? Good to know. Just because Anders' killing is "glorified" it doesn't make it any worst. I'm glad Sebastian is showing his true face. Killing and invading a city because of what one mage did who is long gone from Kirkwall.

One tiny little act; obliterating an entire building, the symbol of faith and solidarity in the city starting a schism between two of the most powerful factions in all of Thedas, throwing any country involved into complete chaos.

[fivefingaslap18]

For the sake of the story's convention Cass didn't know all that happened in DA2. And even you, as the Inquisitor can call out Varric on his potential embellishments. And besides, if a war was going on all across Thedas, you'd hear about it when sometime after it started. Doesn't mean you would hear when it ended until later. Remember, this may be a world where magic exists but it doesn't mean that's how everyone hears about important events. For the common man the fastest may be through lit beacons or carrier birds. For all they know it could be over or still ongoing.

 

And for those that blame Anders for what he did... so what? Calling him a terrorist belittles and trivializes what he was attempting to accomplish. He wasn't instilling fear. He was attempting freedom. Freedom for him and his fellow mages. In Kirkwall you were made tranquil for stepping outside the circle tower without an escort. In Fereldan he escaped 7 times and not once did they ever think about making him tranquil. Think about that for a second. The dude was like, "I think I'll escape the Wardens. Kirkwall isn't too far. Hope they don't hate mages," got there and then realized, "****. I better open up a healing center or else they'll really want to kill me here without giving me any chance of freedom." And the Fereldans out of patriotism, loyalty, and kindness protect him along with Varric. But you can make yourself a place of sanctom and healing and still see all the desecration and torture your brothers in arms go through. How do you not want to change things? Especially when you have a Spirit of Justice merged with you needing to exact what you feel is righteous?

 

But Sebastian also gets a pass. If you spare Anders: he has brought an entire army from Starkhaven. He gets there and learns there are no mages and Anders is gone. How do you think he learned that? Two armies approach. One the invading army and the other the leader of the city and a few guards or soldiers. Either they explain the situation then and Sebastian doesn't believe them and sends in his army only to learn of his mistake then or he goes, "Oh. I'm so sorry. I had no idea. I'll pull them back." Yeah, see how well that works on a bunch of sex crazed and ready for war individuals. They'd go mad after leaving their families and traveling to destroy these people. In that scenario, Sebastian can do nothing but try to take back the city for Kirkwall (and potentially die by the way as his soldiers may see him as weak [and potentially unfit to rule mind you]) or go, "Well... you try stopping a 1000 soldiers from attacking each other." However, more than likely he didn't know about it until after he fired his bow at a guardsman a few thousand feet away. Because after all, he went with the smart man's weapon: the bow.

[fizzypop]

You know reading and I gotta be one of the few people who can love a character and know that character did bad ****. I love anders, but don't excuse what he did. It was wrong, violence creates more violence. He refuses to see other options because let's face it he ain't all that smart. Seb is a terrible, hallow character (design wise). Plus all he cares about is killing and creating more suffering, it is all filled by a personal rage. So can we just be friends and say they are both wrong? My hatred of seb comes from the fact he's hypocritical, stupid, and annoying twit. He can't be holy and kill a bunch of people. At least Anders can be lovable and funny sometimes. Grand Cleric wouldn't have approved of what anyone did. She definitely wouldn't be on Seb's side here. Pretty sure she'd be advocating for understanding and reasoning on both sides. Of course she was also an idiot too because she had the power to help both sides and did nothing. So eh.
 

let's hold hands guys.

[fizzypop]

One tiny little act; obliterating an entire building, the symbol of faith and solidarity in the city starting a schism between two of the most powerful factions in all of Thedas, throwing any country involved into complete chaos.

oh please that was already happening. It was bound to happen. When you oppress people, they tend to get pissed. I mean Hawke herself if a mage pushes all those same buttons. She wouldn't have let anything happen to the mages. It was going to happen. Anders just sped up the process. Killing Anders actually ensures martyr status and people do all kinds of crazy **** once their leader is martyred. I mean look what happened to Jesus. If he wasn't martyr two whole religions wouldn't even EXIST. A lot of people would be alive today and/or would have been able to live out their life. So seb demanding he be killed shows he is short sighted. Dude has no long game. Either way both have done their fair share of killing. So it isn't like anders or seb is innocent here.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Hope we get to kill Sebastian. Never liked him and his chastity belt.

[fizzypop]

so you bring back Kelder ,who is a serial killer targeting elven girls, to the magistrate. As that is the rightful and lawful thing to do. Sure the magistrate will likely not punish him. But as you say, Hawke is not the judge/jury/or executioner to kill Kelder. 

See I didn't kill Kelder because of his misdeeds. I killed him because he asked me too. He was tortured and didn't wish to live anymore. Far be it for me to force him to live. The world doesn't need another lunatic anyways.

[Mr.House]

Like that Seb kept his promise. Good to see keeping that terrorist alive bites you in the ass.

[RicochetHawke]

I love how so many people blame Anders for the Mage/Templar war. It's insane. That war war going to happen regardless. Anders just gave it a little push and shove. If anyone is responsible for the war, it's the damn templars. They were out of control. 

[fizzypop]

I blame the chantry. Ultimately there are the problem. They get templars addicted, force secrecy, cut off anyone who dares to challenge superiors, and ties it up with religious roots to ensure keeping people in line. They feed hatred. So it is no wonder that, that hatred gets out of hand and leads to what happened in Kirkwall. Mages are people. I doubt anyone would want to be locked up never being able to go outside. So yeah chantry is the root of it all. There are better ways. It reminds me of actually the typhoid fever thing. Masses are stupid. Locking people up is usually not a good solution. They should have already figured that out.