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[Googleness]

I vote for kill seb' in DA:I as well.

he is annoying.... more annoying then that dwarf which wanted the qunary powder.

[HTTP 404]

So people like Sebastian invading and killing even more people than Anders? Good to know. Just because Anders' killing is "glorified" it doesn't make it any worst. I'm glad Sebastian is showing his true face. Killing and invading a city because of what one mage did who is long gone from Kirkwall.

 

I guess you could equate war with murder.

[Ausstig]

Wow, you guys are really messed up. 

 

Anders, who murdered innocent people, with the sole intent of starting a war that would get even more people killed. Whose actions lead to increased tensions and ultimately to war, a war which could have been avoided. Is a freaken saint!?

 

While Seb, who while calling for Anders death harbored no real ill-will towards Mages, decision to invade Kirwall, is what a crime against humanity? kirkwall needs to be ruled by a larger power, it always seems to be on the edge of chaos, and Seb is doing that.

 

Is it because Seb won't sleep with you? 

[Birdy]

Wow, you guys are really messed up. 

 

Anders, who murdered innocent people, with the sole intent of starting a war that would get even more people killed. Whose actions lead to increased tensions and ultimately to war, a war which could have been avoided. Is a freaken saint!?

 

While Seb, who while calling for Anders death harbored no real ill-will towards Mages, decision to invade Kirwall, is what a crime against humanity? kirkwall needs to be ruled by a larger power, it always seems to be on the edge of chaos, and Seb is doing that.

 

Is it because Seb won't sleep with you? 

*gasp*   HOW DARE YOU?!?! SEB WILL SO SLEEP WITH ME. Just need to wear him down some.    

[Ogillardetta]

Wow, you guys are really messed up. 

 

Anders, who murdered innocent people, with the sole intent of starting a war that would get even more people killed. Whose actions lead to increased tensions and ultimately to war, a war which could have been avoided. Is a freaken saint!?

 

While Seb, who while calling for Anders death harbored no real ill-will towards Mages, decision to invade Kirwall, is what a crime against humanity? kirkwall needs to be ruled by a larger power, it always seems to be on the edge of chaos, and Seb is doing that.

 

Is it because Seb won't sleep with you?

Based on what you wrote I'm going to assume you didn't read any of the posts some of us posted. Both "sides" raised some good points.
Also nice way to insult everyone who doesn't agree with you. 

[Shadow Fox]

My Hawke was Kirkwall's champion: not its judge, nor its executioner. I wasn't the one to make that call.

Actually in this case you were.

 

Both Meredith and Orsino flat out tell you to do with Anders as you wish.

[RicochetHawke]

Wow, you guys are really messed up. 

 

Anders, who murdered innocent people, with the sole intent of starting a war that would get even more people killed. Whose actions lead to increased tensions and ultimately to war, a war which could have been avoided. Is a freaken saint!?

 

While Seb, who while calling for Anders death harbored no real ill-will towards Mages, decision to invade Kirwall, is what a crime against humanity? kirkwall needs to be ruled by a larger power, it always seems to be on the edge of chaos, and Seb is doing that.

 

Is it because Seb won't sleep with you? 

 

The members of the Chantry aren't as innocent as you seem to think they are. And how could the Mage/Templar war be avoided? It was only a matter of time before that situation would break out. The Chantry was doing literally NOTHING to help ensure peace between the two opposing sides. So how else was this going to be prevented? The mages were being oppressed and wanted/needed change. Anders blowing up the chantry only brought about an inevitable war sooner rather than a little later. 

 

Also, I can't help but laugh at how people exaggerate the death count at the Chantry. It wasn't as high as many seem to think it was. There wasn't any service going on at the time and highly doubt the building was jam packed with people. The only ones we saw bite the dust were Elthina and like four or five Templars. And really, they kind of deserved it.

 

Do I support Anders in his decision to blow the place up? No. But lets not kid ourselves. Sebastian invading Kirkwall is far worse than the Chantry blowing up. In my DAII file, he flat out told me he was coming back to **** **** up. And guess what? Anders isn't even in Kirkwall. Sebastian is more insane than Anders is.  

[Shadow Fox]

I love how people are justifying what Anders AND Sebastion did.

 

This never gets old.

[Bigdoser]

I love how people are justifying what Anders AND Sebastion did.

 

This never gets old.

I know right? I let Anders live because I feel that's Harsher than killing him letting him die is too easy. Let him see what his actions have done as his writer said. 

 

Oh and Seb? Well if an Advisor mission comes up about Kirkwall lets just hope I am not in the mood to pick the secrets option. My problem is he is attacking a city when the person he wants is not even there. I could understand a manhunt at least. XD 

[Jaison1986]

I love how people are justifying what Anders AND Sebastion did.

 

This never gets old.

 

True that. I don't kill Anders. But that doesn't mean I support what he did. I simply did not wish to kill him myself. Sebastian actions in Inquisition just show he really doesn't have an moral high ground. He is just as bad as the people he hates.

[Shadow Fox]

I know right? I let Anders live because I feel that's Harsher than killing him letting him die is too easy. Let him see what his actions have done as his writer said. 

 

Oh and Seb? Well if an Advisor mission comes up about Kirkwall lets just hope I am not in the mood to pick the secrets option. My problem is he is attacking a city when the person he wants is not even there. I could understand a manhunt at least. XD 

I kill him for more practical reasons: He's an out of control Abomination.

 

*But justice for the dead is a big part of why Anders dies in my playthroughs make no mistake*

[Jaison1986]

I kill him for more practical reasons: He's an out of control Abomination.

 

*But justice for the dead is a big part of why Anders dies in my playthroughs make no mistake*

 

But what if Justice possesses Anders dead corpse and start spreading mayhem in Inquisition?

[Xilizhra]

 Oh, Sebastian. I knew I should have killed you the moment you made your declaration of war.

 

I find it truly hilarious that Anders isn't anywhere near Kirkwall at the moment, and Sebastian, like Meredith, is attacking people who had nothing to do with his crime. I see no reason to treat her more kindly than Meredith if I see him again in Inquisition.

[Medhia_Nox]

Let us not pretend that Anders didn't know he would cause the Annulment of the Kirkwall Circle.

 

It was, after all, the entire purpose for what he did.

[EdwinLi]

 Oh, Sebastian. I knew I should have killed you the moment you made your declaration of war.

 

I find it truly hilarious that Anders isn't anywhere near Kirkwall at the moment, and Sebastian, like Meredith, is attacking people who had nothing to do with his crime. I see no reason to treat her more kindly than Meredith if I see him again in Inquisition.

 

I don't like how both of them handle the situation but no matter how I see it the entire Mage vs Templar war was going to happen one way or the other. It was only a matter of who will be the final flame to turn the fire into a wildfire. 

 

Though I was expecting Meredith to be the one to snap and start the entire Mage vs Templar war since she was almost at her limit with how Elthina has been getting in her way to strike at the Mages. 

 

Either way if Anders hadn't acted this way then most likely Meredith would have ended up killing Elthina due to how the Red Lyrium was affecting her mental state and the war would have started.

[LOLandStuff]

Two people getting overemotional and making the dumbest decisions.

 

Edit: Or maybe three...

[Xilizhra]

Let us not pretend that Anders didn't know he would cause the Annulment of the Kirkwall Circle.

 

It was, after all, the entire purpose for what he did.

Let us also not pretend that this has anything to do with Sebastian's actions, given that, again, Anders isn't even in Kirkwall. Nor is Hawke. He's an ass lashing out at innocent people in an action that will help nothing.

 

 

Two people getting overemotional and making the dumbest decisions.

 

Edit: Or maybe three...

How is Hawke overemotional?

[LOLandStuff]

I'm talking about Anders and Sebastian.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Xilizhra:  Sebastian is just a conqueror - and with Corypheus out of the region - someone might be able to finally stabilize Kirkwall (just watched a Legacy playthrough and Kirkwall's issues are very blatantly placed in the lap of a sleeping elder magister.)

 

Yes, conquerors are violent - I would never call ANY of them good (real or imaginary) - but personally, I can respect a man who's ambitions are upfront and direct. 

 

It has nothing to do with the Breach - so it's not like my Inquisitor is going to go out of his way to help someone he doesn't know conquer Kirkwall.

[Xilizhra]

I'm talking about Anders and Sebastian.

You mentioned a third person.

 

 

@Xilizhra:  Sebastian is just a conqueror - and with Corypheus out of the region - someone might be able to finally stabilize Kirkwall (just watched a Legacy playthrough and Kirkwall's issues are very blatantly placed in the lap of a sleeping elder magister.)

 

Yes, conquerors are violent - I would never call ANY of them good (real or imaginary) - but personally, I can respect a man who's ambitions are upfront and direct. 

 

It has nothing to do with the Breach - so it's not like my Inquisitor is going to go out of his way to help someone he doesn't know conquer Kirkwall.

I'd say that casts the net for respect much, much too wide, personally.

 

As for Sebastian himself... well, maybe he won't come to the Inquisition's notice. But if he does, I see no reason whatsoever to be sympathetic to him.

[Zana]

Look, if a person kills someone else for a pair of shoes, I sure as hell won't support him, but at least I can see his (awful) logic - want shoes, kill to get shoes.  If another person is so enraged by the crime of killing person for shoes that he goes and murders entire village where the theft taken place...thats when I start questioning the second person's sanity.  Manhunt?  Sure.  Murdering innocents just because they were at the wrong place? Nope.

 

I do not support Anders' action, but I can understand his logic.  I do not support Sebastian's action, nor can I understand his logic, which makes it all the worse.

[The Hierophant]

Meh. Kirkwall needs a ruler who could impose order over the dump. With no immediate successor the place should be in chaos. Also if Hawke was Viscount (side with temps and executes Anders) before their disappearance what would Seb's reasoning be besides cleaning up after them?

[LOLandStuff]

You mentioned a third person.

 

 

Well, it's Justice/Vengeance of course, even if it's just a spirit/demon.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Xilizhra:  Vs. a craven weak man driven to subterfuge?  Yeah - I despise people who are too weak to be direct - in real life and in fiction.  It's just a personal choice.  I'd respect  a man more who wanted to kill me face to face - vs. someone looking to do it secretly. Doesn't mean my respect for either is particularly high.

 

Someone's going to take control of Kirkwall - is "Random Guy X who does it through violence."  somehow better?  Let me guess - it's the whole "Devout Andrastian" thing? 

 

Sorry - Dragon Age isn't going secular any time soon.  The next person to conquer Kirkwall is going to worship or follow "something".

[Xilizhra]

Meh. Kirkwall needs a ruler who could impose order over the dump. With no immediate successor the place should be in chaos. Also if Hawke was Viscount (side with temps and executes Anders) before their disappearance what would Seb's reasoning be besides cleaning up after them?

Sebastian does nothing about Kirkwall if Anders dies, it seems. His motives clearly aren't about restoring order.

 

 

@Xilizhra:  Vs. a craven weak man driven to subterfuge?  Yeah - I despise people who are too weak to be direct - in real life and in fiction.  It's just a personal choice.  I'd respect  a man more who wanted to kill me face to face - vs. someone looking to do it secretly. Doesn't mean my respect for either is particularly high.

 

Someone's going to take control of Kirkwall - is "Random Guy X who does it through violence."  somehow better?  Let me guess - it's the whole "Devout Andrastian" thing? 

 

Sorry - Dragon Age isn't going secular any time soon.  The next person to conquer Kirkwall is going to worship or follow "something".

I don't really care how someone wants to kill me, nor do I care how someone wants to help me.

 

Personally, I'd say that the best ruler of Kirkwall would be more likely to be one that Kirkwall voted on, as opposed to a foreign invader.