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[Leliana]

I'd love to play a mage but the moment Bethany dies and I'm stuck with Carver I start to resent the playthrough. I mean Bethany is so nice and great to have around whereas Carver just feels like a nuisance, I won't judge too harshly because all I know is that after the Expedition he becomes a Templar if you don't take him with you (so if you're pro-mage he's gonna ****** you off even more?). Any of you see redeeming qualities about him? Maybe it'll encourage me to give him a chance.

[caradoc2000]

He does have quite a bit of character development. Many people who initially disliked him have stated that they eventually grew to like him.

[Leliana]

I've got a question, if he becomes a Templar/Grey Warden I'm assuming it's the same with Bethany where he won't be available for quite some time?

[Reznore57]

I really really like Carver .

Take him to the Deep Roads (don't forget to bring Anders) and make him a Grey Warden.

Carver is unhappy when he is a templar .

 

Anyway the thing with Carver is he loves his familly and Hawke very much , but he needs to find his place in the world.

Hawke is very talented , well Hawke is the hero of the story , and Carver is the kind of guy who wants to be the hero too .

What I really like about Carver is you can fight with him , you can disagree but in the end , when Hawke is in danger , Carver is there at his/her side.

 

The point is Carver isn't a bad guy at all , he's just a bit sour at time .

[caradoc2000]

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[Leliana]

I really really like Carver .

Take him to the Deep Roads (don't forget to bring Anders) and make him a Grey Warden.

Carver is unhappy when he is a templar .

 

Anyway the thing with Carver is he loves his familly and Hawke very much , but he needs to find his place in the world.

Hawke is very talented , well Hawke is the hero of the story , and Carver is the kind of guy who wants to be the hero too .

What I really like about Carver is you can fight with him , you can disagree but in the end , when Hawke is in danger , Carver is there at his/her side.

 

The point is Carver isn't a bad guy at all , he's just a bit sour at time .

Wow okay wouldn't have thought of it in that way, I'll certainly give him a chance then. I like how they made it so Carver likes being a Grey Warden/dislikes being a Templar whereas with Bethany it's the other way around she dislikes being a Grey Warden/likes being in the Circle. Thanks for that. ^^

[Lulupab]

Grey Warden Carver is ten times better than Templar Carver.

 

Read the wiki and try to raise his friendship as much as possible. Make sure you take him with you on Legacy DLC if you have it. With his friendship maxed and a grey warden you will have a very pleasant surprise in the end of the game when he returns.

[BigBad]

I've always liked Carver as a character. It's a very realistic portrayal of a young adult attempting to step out of the shadow of a much more talented/popular sibling, but being forced by his family's circumstances into being a sidekick. Nobody ever hesitates to tell Carver he's annoying, or that he isn't as good as Hawke at anything. He's basically forced to spend all his free time either tending to a mother lost in the past, or hanging out with his sibling's friends, none of whom like him.

 

That sort of thing has a terrible effect on a young man.

[Ferretinabun]

As others have said, Carver appreciates being a Grey Warden much more than Bethany does. I think the best ending for him is a Grey Warden, whereas for Bethany it's being a Circle Mage.

 

Don't forget rivalry is a perfectly viable loyalty path. You can fight with him all you like if he annoys you - he still won't abandon you when you need him the most. He feels rather brotherly like that.

[TheMadHarridan]

The first time I played a mage, Carver annoyed me to no end. We were rivals, and I was tired of the constant snarking. However, I realized that he really is rather trapped in Hawke's shadow and has never been allowed to excel himself because it could have drawn too much attention to Hawke and Bethany. No wonder the guy has issues.

 

Getting Carver to be a friend, however, was incredibly rewarding. He was actually sweet, and the relationship felt much less strained. A Friendship Grey Warden Carver is the best way to go, in my opinion.

[SwobyJ]

Carver is a nuisance, but he's my nuisance. I'm an only child and I have to tell you, it feels like a blessing to get even a bit of brotherly conflict, even in a fictional story.

 

I'm totally only with having friction with companions (even outright opposing sides), in itself. And I think it made enough sense for Carver.

 

I'm going to NOT be highly metagaming, but I'll be attempting to be as friendly with him as possible, while still allowing myself to be stern (this seems to sometimes even give Friendship points, which is fitting - sometimes Carver needs a slap).

[BroBear Berbil]

Carver is one of my favorite, if not the favorite, characters in DA2. He's a little antagonistic but I can understand where he's coming from and, to his credit, he's always reliable and loyal to his family. He's a far more interesting person than Bethany as far as I'm concerned and I find myself actually caring about his future.

 

Also agree on the friendship/grey warden route being the best.

[congokong]

1. Carver's a bit more interesting for the story considering the rivalry dynamic. Him and Leandra being the only non-mages in the family explains some of his behavior.

2. Carver doesn't turn mage Hawke into the templars regardless of his fate.

3. Grey Warden Carver will offer to help Hawke in the final battle regardless of their choice.

 

That's about all I've got.

[R0vena]

Carver really grew on me, he really changes a lot through the game, and for better. Not many in DA 2 have that level of character development. I could barely stand him first time I played (played as a mage in the first run), but now he is my favorite little brother and I like him much more than Bethany. 

[KaiserShep]

I can understand Carver becoming a Templar if he's left behind, mainly because companion banter between Carver and Aveline reveals that he was trying to become a city guard, but was refused the position. The Templar order is basically the only option left, short of either leaving Kirkwall or working in a soup kitchen or something.

[robertmarilyn]

I didn't like Carver until I played a mage and made him a Grey Warden. He really likes being a Grey Warden and in that game, it became easy to get his friendship to 100. I've liked Carver ever since then and found his banter with the other companions pretty good. Loved his flirting with Merrill. 

[congokong]

Carver really grew on me, he really changes a lot through the game, and for better. Not many in DA 2 have that level of character development. I could barely stand him first time I played (played as a mage in the first run), but now he is my favorite little brother and I like him much more than Bethany. 

I don't agree. In the Deep Roads in Act 3 if Carver's a warden he acts just as whiny as he did in Act 1, and this is 6 years later. it's only in the game's end where he suddenly acts like an adult. Legacy can be played in any act so that can be used for or against my point.

[congokong]

I can understand Carver becoming a Templar if he's left behind, mainly because companion banter between Carver and Aveline reveals that he was trying to become a city guard, but was refused the position. The Templar order is basically the only option left, short of either leaving Kirkwall or working in a soup kitchen or something.

Aveline really was a ****** there for actually saying not to hire him.

[R0vena]

I don't agree. In the Deep Roads in Act 3 if Carver's a warden he acts just as whiny as he did in Act 1, and this is 6 years later. it's only in the game's end where he suddenly acts like an adult. Legacy can be played in any act so that can be used for or against my point.

Well, I admit I never made Carver a Warden (since it requires a 100% lock in your party - Varric, Carver, Anders -  and I hate that), so I have no idea about his behavior in that case. But I liked him a lot as a Templar.

[Jester]

I don't agree. In the Deep Roads in Act 3 if Carver's a warden he acts just as whiny as he did in Act 1, and this is 6 years later. it's only in the game's end where he suddenly acts like an adult. Legacy can be played in any act so that can be used for or against my point.

I kind of believe that Legacy was meant to be played in Act III. I mean, I know you can pick it up anytime, but playing it in Act I really doesn't make much sense storywise. Hawke is juz a random dude trying to get rich, with barely any experience whatsoever - him defeating hordes of powerful Darkspawn, pride demons and an ancient, tainted Tevinter Magister makes no sense at all in this time period. 

I believe that it happened after him/her becoming the Champion (let's not forget it's all Varric's story, chronology maybe twisted here). 

Same with MotA - why would Hawke, who's not the Champion of Kirkwall be invited to a hunt by high ranking Orlesian noble? In Act II it can be argue that he could be invited (he is noble then after all) but in Act I it makes no sense.

 

So I believe that those DLC events took place in those three years between Hawke becoming a Champion and the whole Annulment business.

 

As to Carver, I really like him. I mean, it's very rare that a game includes a person that actively dislikes your character from the very beginning, based on what you represent - not what kind of person you are, and whether you speak nicely to them. 

It's actually nice to have something like that, where your brother respects you - but dislikes you being superior to him. Most of NPCs in pretty much every game accepts without a word that your character is a hero, gets all attention, solves the worlds problems and despite being aided by many only he earns recognition. 

You never expect to receive jelousy towards you from your companions. That's what makes Carver very unique. And while I'm not sure I'd like him as a person, I certainly respect his writing - and guts it took from BioWare to include a character like that.

 

I still think that out of the two siblings I like Bethany more - mainly because how different from other companions in video games she is. She doesn't want to save the world. She doesn't want to fight the bad guys. She doesn't want to be a hero. I'd even go to the extend of saying that she despises violence. She hates being in danger.Unlike all other companions, who face most horrible monsters with a smile on their face, sarcastic comment or a battlecry - Bethany despises all that. Very unique again.

And I love how she proves wrong Anders' assertion that the Circle is horrible prison for every mage. She was able to adapt and be happy in the most depraved, conflicted and corrupted (on both sides of the conflict) Circle in Thedas. Think how happy she would probably be in Fareldan Circle (before Uldred chose to destroy it). 

[Dabrikishaw]

Carver is much better as a Grey Warden than a Templar. No matter what though, I can't say I like him even after taking him down a friendship path. 

[WarriorOfLight999]

Carver is misguided, angry, brash and a bit foolish. He's also brave, loyal to family, and more than willing to take on heavy burdens. If I met him in real life, I'd smack him in the back of the head and berate him for an hour or two, but that's about it.

[congokong]

Well, I admit I never made Carver a Warden (since it requires a 100% lock in your party - Varric, Carver, Anders -  and I hate that), so I have no idea about his behavior in that case. But I liked him a lot as a Templar.

Hmm, well, I've never made him a templar (too mean for me), but I've watched his banter on YouTube. I don't think it's much different character development wise. When you encounter him in Act 2 he's the same sibling rivalry ass he's always been despite their being an invasion going on in Kirkwall. In Act 3 he'll be all for helping you slaughter the mages if that's what you fancy, but will only stand against you once Meredith goes completely crazy. I don't consider any of that great character development. You actually see Carver develop a bit more as Grey Warden. As a Templar it looks as if his whole profession is a way to spite his sibling.

[TEWR]

There are a few things I don't like about Carver. The first is his lack of being able to take a hint from Merrill, who's clearly not interested (it's actually kinda creepy how he keeps trying to go for her).

 

The next is that he's got such a massive chip on his shoulder that it affects how his brain works. Varric tries to point out that he's actually in a better position (akin to a king/queen and the one behind the scenes who does the work) and the only thing Carver takes from it is "my sibling's royalty now?!?!".

 

But he's got some redeeming qualities as well. The friendship path is what I always aim for (which is a pain in the ass to get if you're also trying to be pro-mage so ****** hell) and IIRC that's where he's pretty great, especially as a Warden.

 

He's loyal, will stand up for his family despite their differences, and holds his own set of ideals. He's a bit of a ******, but a lovable one at least.

[Bardox9]

I like Carver better simply because He grows more as a person than Bethany does. He's a far more interesting character than she is. Warden or not , Carver just has a richer storyline. Granted he's a champion of jack holes, but considering the life he's had it's understandable. He's got a chip on his shoulder, but there is plenty of reason for it to be there.