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[Tenno]

Actually xbox was not the only one offered this " sneak preview " of DA:I. PS4 was also offered, but they didn't wanna pay for it. It is what it is, it was never bought to be anything else than a TREAT for people that had EA acces on their xbox, of course you shouldn't get to have unlimited acces, be realistic, if you can't take it for what it is, maybe the fault is with ea even making the offer to the consoles.

[wrdnshprd]

No, a uniform release date is there to not upset the physical retailers. You know the people who provide around 90% of EA's revenue for games.

 

actually the customer provides EA's revenue.. not the retailer.. the retailer should be accommodating US.. not the other way around..

 

but i digress, regarding the early access.. its not a big deal.. i just think its a waste of money as it is.. having to pre-order the game AND a sub for a glorified demo is not what i would call a great deal... so, ill just wait for the release..  its not like there arent other games out there to keep me occupied.

[Fast Jimmy]

im in agreement with the OP.. i think this should be full access. you not only have to PAY a sub fee for the early access, but you have to pre-order the game too.

i think the reason they limited the access is to prevent spoilers to the entire game before release, which i can understand.. especially for a game like this. my suggestion to prevent this would be to restrict or limit what can be talked about - i.e. you can only broadcast the intro and hinterlands. if you review the game, there cant be any spoilers, etc.

but if you pay a sub AND pre-order the game, you should be able to play it in full with the early access. as it is.. since its NOT full access, ill just pass and not sub.

You can't possiby hope to restrict what tens of thousands (if not HUNDREDS of thousands - I don't know how many signed up for the EA Early Access feature) talk about. This isn't a professional gaming reviewer who has their professional integrity on the line, this is a mob of unknown people who you would have no authority or control over to what they talked about whatsoever.

Do you know why EA is doing this? Because demos take time and effort to make, time and effort PULLED from the game itself.

Instead of having all of their developers struggle with the question of whether or not to create a demo, they can instead have all their games give the player a few hours of gameplay. At which a time, the player can make a much more informed decision about whether or not they want to seek a refund or not.

This is not about getting the game early. It is about making every game testable before it comes out without any worries about return policies and without the developer spinning their wheels making demos which bring nothing of value to tbe core game.

[Fast Jimmy]

Jimmy,shhhhh, sense you speak, not allowed

My bad, my bad. Its just ironic to me that a product (EA's Early Access) designed to help encourage more informed consumer decisions is being bought by people who aren't informing themselves about it.

[wrdnshprd]

You can't possiby hope to restrict what tens of thousands (if not HUNDREDS of thiusands - I don't know how many signed up for the EA Early Access feature) talk about. This isn't a professional gaming reviewer who has their professional integrity on the line, this is a mob of unknown people who you would have no authority or control over to what they talked about whatsoever.

Do you know why EA is doing this? Because demos take time and effort to make, time and effort PULLED from the game itself.

Instead of having all of their developers struggle with the question of whether or not to create a demo, they can instead have all their games give the player a few hours of gameplay. At which a time, the player can make a much more informed decision about whether or not they want to seek a refund or not.

This is not about getting the game early. It is about making every game testable before it comes out without any worries about return policies and without the developer spinning their wheels making demos which bring nothing of value to tbe core game.

 

 

ever heard of an NDA?    as long as EA put that up front, i dont see the issue.. if you pay for it and voluntarily sign the NDA.. whats the problem?

 

as for a demo.. why encourage companies to CHARGE for them lol.. you realize they have been free for decades right?  why tell companies that its ok to now suddenly charge for them.. thats idiotic to me..   as for "they have to make money".. EA is doing perfectly fine.. they just want to make MORE money.. and thats ok.. just dont expect me to pay for a service that other companies offer for FREE (i.e. a demo).

 

again, if you think its a good value.. good for you..  just dont complain when companies charge for demos in the future.. you are part of the reason that will come to be.

 

and just to address "this is not a demo".. yeah it is.. or its at least a very limited "beta".. which again.. has been offered for FREE by companies in the past.  what we are doing is saying that they can now charge for them.. which is fine if you want to do that.. just dont complain when those free "betas" (or demos.. they are pretty much one in the same now) are a thing of the past.  why offer them for free when companies can charge a subscription fee and require a pre-order and customers accept it.

[Kantr]

You can't slap a million (?) people with an NDA

 

This is not a demo though it's 6 hours to get as far into the game as you can.

[wrdnshprd]

You can't slap a million (?) people with an NDA

 

This is not a demo though it's 6 hours to get as far into the game as you can.

 

swtor beta?  im sure there were at least a half million people in that beta at one point before the release went live.. they were under an NDA. 

 

and before people say "they didnt charge for it".. thats my point.. by purchasing early access, you are telling EA that they CAN charge you, shorten your play time for the beta, early access, whatever you want to call it.. and on top of it, require a pre-order... all to not have an NDA.  pretty dumb eh?

[Kantr]

Well w/e. EA didnt put an NDA on people and so instead let them try out the game for a small fee. Anyone who didn't enjoy it can just get their pre-order refunded.

[jerkjuggernaut]

Actually, you don't have to preorder the game.  All you need is to be a paying EA Access customer to use the 6 hour trial.  That's why I think you should be able to say, "cool, I want to buy it now" at the end of the six hours and keep on playing.  And people that preordered should just get it a few days early.  Nothing to do with fairness or anything, it should just be a perk of being a paying EA Access customer, IMO.

[Sket]

Actually, you don't have to preorder the game.  All you need is to be a paying EA Access customer to use the 6 hour trial.  That's why I think you should be able to say, "cool, I want to buy it now" at the end of the six hours and keep on playing.  And people that preordered should just get it a few days early.  Nothing to do with fairness or anything, it should just be a perk of being a paying EA Access customer, IMO.

I was about to say something similar. I have no idea why the OP thought he had to preorder the game to get early access.

[Fast Jimmy]

Actually, you don't have to preorder the game. All you need is to be a paying EA Access customer to use the 6 hour trial. That's why I think you should be able to say, "cool, I want to buy it now" at the end of the six hours and keep on playing. And people that preordered should just get it a few days early. Nothing to do with fairness or anything, it should just be a perk of being a paying EA Access customer, IMO.

There's SEC (and I'm sure other organizations internationally) implications for releasing a full product earlier than your stated release date. Its not just as easy as "let people click a button and pay for the game hours/days/weeks/months ahead of everyone else."

[modernfan]

I bought an EA Access subscription & also purchased the digital game.  While I don't expect access to the entire game before the official launch date, I think a huge RPG like Inquisition doesn't lend itself well to a timed trial.  I would have preferred to have an area restricted trial where I might not get to explore very far, but could really take my time with the CC.

[Fast Jimmy]

I bought an EA Access subscription & also purchased the digital game. While I don't expect access to the entire game before the official launch date, I think a huge RPG like Inquisition doesn't lend itself well to a timed trial. I would have preferred to have an area restricted trial where I might not get to explore very far, but could really take my time with the CC.

I think the problem then becomes setting up that limited area/putting the coding in place to check for the date before allowing the player to move through the map, etc.

Its meant to give a taste of the game without having the developers go through the effort of creating a demo or coding a fence for areas the player to stay in.


Regardless, this is more of a complaint about the EA Early Access product. In that case, there's a very high chance that no one at Bioware has any control over what gets included with that bundle or how it is set up.

[wrdnshprd]

Actually, you don't have to preorder the game.  All you need is to be a paying EA Access customer to use the 6 hour trial.  That's why I think you should be able to say, "cool, I want to buy it now" at the end of the six hours and keep on playing.  And people that preordered should just get it a few days early.  Nothing to do with fairness or anything, it should just be a perk of being a paying EA Access customer, IMO.

 

ah ok.. thats a little better.. still though.. you are technically paying for a demo.. i'd much rather they have an early access program like steam where there is no sub..  you just pay early to gain the ability to play the entire game as little or as much as you want.

 

but even that is tricky because sooner or later "early access" dates become actual launch dates.. and consequently the quality of games goes down DRASTICALLY.. so its a double edged sword IMO.

[s-jay2676]

ah ok.. thats a little better.. still though.. you are technically paying for a demo.. i'd much rather they have an early access program like steam where three is no sub..  you just pay early to gain the ability to play the entire game as little or as much as you want.

 

but even that is tricky because sooner or later "early access" dates become actual launch dates.. and consequently the quality of games goes down DRASTICALLY.. so its a double edged sword IMO.

You're not paying for a demo. You're paying for the access to a library of games you can download and play as long as your subscribed to the service. Early access to some games is just a bonus.

[Hair Serious Business]

You are so right...

Let them not only allow you to play a little game early to try it out...but please let them allow you to play full game simply because you have EA access.

You are so~~~~~~~~ ri~~~~ght!

If that was a case I would go and subscribe  just for 3.99€ to play full game and to full explore instead of paying 69.99€ for game to do the same...indeed they should give full access to EA access members so we all can go just subscribe pay much less money,get to play before everyone else and play as people who payed full price for the same game that will get it later.Indeed such excellent idea...my wallet approves of paying much much much but much less then it should...I mean just 3.99 is a dream to pay for playing full game compared to 69.99 in here...plus I get to play earlier.Such brilliant idea   *hu~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ge sarcasm*

[Bekkael]

I think the problem then becomes setting up that limited area/putting the coding in place to check for the date before allowing the player to move through the map, etc.

Its meant to give a taste of the game without having the developers go through the effort of creating a demo or coding a fence for areas the player to stay in.


Regardless, this is more of a complaint about the EA Early Access product. In that case, there's a very high chance that no one at Bioware has any control over what gets included with that bundle or how it is set up.

 

Actually, it was timed AND content locked. You could only play the prologue and go to the first area (the Hinterlands), but everything on the war table was locked, with little red print writing that stated those missions would be available in the full game. There were all kinds of things I couldn't do in this early trial.

 

I already had EA Access for the games in their vault, so DAI trial was just a bonus for me. Having sampled a timed bit of DAI now, I have to say that the timer stressed me out way more than I ever thought it would. Personally, I prefer a demo with a certain amount of content (like DA2 and ME3 had) that I can play over and over and over again, as many times as I want. That way the entire community gets a sample of the game instead of just 1 platform, and there is no stress about a timer or a paywall.

 

In future, I would never pay for another "early access" experience. I would just wait for the full release if there is no demo offered. /opinion

[wrdnshprd]

You're not paying for a demo. You're paying for the access to a library of games you can download and play as long as your subscribed to the service. Early access to some games is just a bonus.

 

no.. you are paying for a demo.. at least in cases like DA:I.. yes in sone cases, there might be games where you can get full access immediately when you purchase it.. but its not every game in the list.. hence.. for the most part.. it IS essentially a demo.  again, i understand that.. i just think its terrible value.. if im going to pay for early access.. its going to be via a program like what steam has.. IMO, its a much better option.

 

anyway, from EA's FAQ:

 

What will the pre-release trials include? Will my progress carry over?

For some games, you’ll be able to play specific modes for a limited time, while other trials let you jump right into the full game. And since you’re playing the real game, any progress you make will carry over so you can pick up where you left off on launch day.

[s-jay2676]

no.. you are paying for a demo.. at least in cases like DA:I.. yes in sone cases, there might be games where you can get full access immediately when you purchase it.. but its not every game in the list.. hence.. for the most part.. it IS essentially a demo.  again, i understand that.. i just think its terrible value.. if im going to pay for early access.. its going to be via a program like what steam has.. IMO, its a much better option.

 

anyway, from EA's FAQ:

 

What will the pre-release trials include? Will my progress carry over?

For some games, you’ll be able to play specific modes for a limited time, while other trials let you jump right into the full game. And since you’re playing the real game, any progress you make will carry over so you can pick up where you left off on launch day.

The real value of this service is the so called Vault which is basically a library of EA games that you can play as long as you paid the subscription fee. These games include Battlefield 4, Fifa 14 and others. Early access is just a bonus feature, nothing more. So even if you only subscribe for a month because of DAI, you still get to play the other games and get a 10% discount on digital purchases.

 

http://www.ea.com/ne...s=1407778018298

 

Edit: I guess it's similar to PS Plus which probably is the reason why Sony did not allow it on their platform.

[Fast Jimmy]

Actually, it was timed AND content locked. You could only play the prologue and go to the first area (the Hinterlands), but everything on the war table was locked, with little red print writing that stated those missions would be available in the full game. There were all kinds of things I couldn't do in this early trial.

I already had EA Access for the games in their vault, so DAI trial was just a bonus for me. Having sampled a timed bit of DAI now, I have to say that the timer stressed me out way more than I ever thought it would. Personally, I prefer a demo with a certain amount of content (like DA2 and ME3 had) that I can play over and over and over again, as many times as I want. That way the entire community gets a sample of the game instead of just 1 platform, and there is no stress about a timer or a paywall.

In future, I would never pay for another "early access" experience. I would just wait for the full release if there is no demo offered. /opinion

Fair enough. I would think the days of seeing demos for AAA games (at least, outside of this type of service) is going the way of modkits... which is to say the way of the dodo.

[Imryll]

I would have preferred to have an area restricted trial where I might not get to explore very far, but could really take my time with the CC.

Why not take your time with the CC? If I had early access, I'd spend my time playing with CC and getting a feel for how combat works, so that I'd be ready for release, not trying to see as much of the game as possible.Of course, I'm a chronic restarter ...