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[ladyofpayne]

"Virgins."

That was a disappointing choice outcome.

Yes. I wanted Michel himself.

 

Why would I want 50 virgins when I have Cass.

 

Seriously, he couldn't come up with a beter deal than that?

Suggest us our Mi-mi?

[PorcelynDoll]

Why DAI? Why you got to have so many men to steal my heart?!

[ladyofpayne]

Mister Dragon age has arrived.

[ladyofpayne]

[Willowhugger]

Yes, sure- live in slums is better that live in luxury.

 

In real life, plenty of people try to pass themselves off as being other than a minority.

 

It's understandable in places where that can be dangerous.

My sympathy goes out the window when said individual proceeds to murder members of his minority to secure his place.

 

Then again, Michel proves to be a better person than Briala proved to be.

 

I admit, part of my sketchy feelings about Michel boil down to the fact I don't really have much respect for Orlais' knights to begin with.

[StrangeStrategy]

Michel "de Chevin". I'm not in full support of his character, he really screwed things up in ME. Betrayed his empress, lied about his past, set loose Imshael... At least he kept his promise to Briala, and was an awesome bodyguard before the book.
 

In game, I don't think he was represented well enough. He only fights with a sword, you can't refuse his offer to join nor can you kill him. I thought since we could kill Mihris, we'd have a chance to kill him... I mean, he is responsible for Imshael's release and the destruction of Clan Virnehn. Even if the Keeper was stupid enough to summon a demon, Michel set him loose... Because opening a binding circle was supposed to work how??

 

Anyway, even if I don't fully approve of him because, well, he isn't perfect, I still recruited him to the Inquisition and reunited him with Celene. Betrayed or not, she shouldn't have sent him away. Morrigan certainly wasn't a good bodyguard ("Do I appear a bodyguard to you?") but if Michel was there he might have been smart enough to wonder "Hey, why is Florianne being weird and lingering behind the Empress while making an ominous speech when we know an assassination is going to happen at some point tonight?"

 

He'd make an awesome companion for a new DA game, a DLC expansion, or whatever. I think if DAI were to have an expansion, allowing us to use noteworthy agents we recruit (Loranil the eager Dalish, Michel the "chevalier", Barris the Templar, etc.) to go on a mission with the Inquisitor post-game.

[Ozzy]

Yeah, TME's characters got a bit shafted here but I think it was to be expected. Still, seeing Michel and stumbling across Mihiris was cool enough. What I was disappointed with was Imshael's implementation, he was funny but I expected him to be a bit more formidable or get given a larger part. Perhaps an actual cutscene (instead of the standard 'unimportant' conversation) and unique appearance would have helped with that. 

 

I would have loved to have seen Michel go toe to toe with him, even if he'd get tossed back and we'd have to finish the job. It's just felt a little lame to have Michel whose whole character at the end of TME was essentially "I MUST END IMSHAEL AT ALL COSTS" just go "Welp, I gotta go help the town. Have fun with Imshael, Inquisitor!"

[ladyofpayne]

[ladyofpayne]

Petition for Chevalier companion in DA 4

[hong]

Anyone else unable to recruit Michel after taking Sulevin Keep? I wonder if it's related to my not encountering him on the way. He either didn't spawn outside the gate, or I didn't see him. Now he's standing outside the village and I don't get the option to recruit him as an agent.

[ladyofpayne]

Anyone else unable to recruit Michel after taking Sulevin Keep? I wonder if it's related to my not encountering him on the way. He either didn't spawn outside the gate, or I didn't see him. Now he's standing outside the village and I don't get the option to recruit him as an agent.

You have to talk to him near Sahrnia first.

[Mr.House]

Michel "de Chevin". I'm not in full support of his character, he really screwed things up in ME. Betrayed his empress, lied about his past, set loose Imshael... At least he kept his promise to Briala, and was an awesome bodyguard before the book.
 

In game, I don't think he was represented well enough. He only fights with a sword, you can't refuse his offer to join nor can you kill him. I thought since we could kill Mihris, we'd have a chance to kill him... I mean, he is responsible for Imshael's release and the destruction of Clan Virnehn. Even if the Keeper was stupid enough to summon a demon, Michel set him loose... Because opening a binding circle was supposed to work how??

 

Anyway, even if I don't fully approve of him because, well, he isn't perfect, I still recruited him to the Inquisition and reunited him with Celene. Betrayed or not, she shouldn't have sent him away. Morrigan certainly wasn't a good bodyguard ("Do I appear a bodyguard to you?") but if Michel was there he might have been smart enough to wonder "Hey, why is Florianne being weird and lingering behind the Empress while making an ominous speech when we know an assassination is going to happen at some point tonight?"

 

He'd make an awesome companion for a new DA game, a DLC expansion, or whatever. I think if DAI were to have an expansion, allowing us to use noteworthy agents we recruit (Loranil the eager Dalish, Michel the "chevalier", Barris the Templar, etc.) to go on a mission with the Inquisitor post-game.

You can kill him in fact. Accept Imshaels offer, Michel will die.

[Mr.House]

Yeah, TME's characters got a bit shafted here but I think it was to be expected. Still, seeing Michel and stumbling across Mihiris was cool enough. What I was disappointed with was Imshael's implementation, he was funny but I expected him to be a bit more formidable or get given a larger part. Perhaps an actual cutscene (instead of the standard 'unimportant' conversation) and unique appearance would have helped with that. 

 

I would have loved to have seen Michel go toe to toe with him, even if he'd get tossed back and we'd have to finish the job. It's just felt a little lame to have Michel whose whole character at the end of TME was essentially "I MUST END IMSHAEL AT ALL COSTS" just go "Welp, I gotta go help the town. Have fun with Imshael, Inquisitor!"

Eh I found Celene and Gaspard where done well, my opinion on Briala is......colourful.

 

I'll give you Michel was not done as good as he should have been, but you can help him have a better life(he went back to court with Gaspard for me and loved it)

[errantknight]

Yeah, it would've been nice to have to choose between him or the party defending the town or fighting Imshael.  He just seemed to give up on that way too easily.  It's not like I think he's wrong for wanting to defend ordinary folk - that's completely commendable! - but it seems a little out of character to drop his pledge like a hot potato.

Not a little out of character, lol, wildly. Oh, special snowflake PC, how you steal other people's heroism. Personally, my inquisitor would have had no problem taking a backseat in that fight so that Michel could fulfill his vow. He would have respected and understood that--and the dialogue would have been interesting.

He's a good character. I expect that we may see him again in keep setups where he lives.

[Gaesesagai]

Haven't read the book(s). So a bit confused here. At his final trial thing, did he go with the others and actually killed elves in the slums? Like random people? Innocent random people?

Because if so, there's no redemption from that. Of course you can babble about this and that reason but really, there's no going back. He's a murderer. That's it. And if you "like" that type of person awesome, says a lot about you in terms of I don't know, basic human decency.

Oh and fyi, the deed (if it happened, already mentioned I didn't read, trying to find out, too lazy to google) might be explained, as in he wanted to keep his newly found social standing and etc., but that is not the same thing as it being excusable and/or justifiable. It simply means he valued his social standing and wealth (I assume there's a degree of wealth attached to the titles and whatnot) more then the value of innocent lives. That says it all.

Anywho, curious about it. Hope someone clarifies for me

[Tielis]

Haven't read the book(s). So a bit confused here. At his final trial thing, did he go with the others and actually killed elves in the slums? Like random people? Innocent random people?

Because if so, there's no redemption from that. Of course you can babble about this and that reason but really, there's no going back. He's a murderer. That's it. And if you "like" that type of person awesome, says a lot about you in terms of I don't know, basic human decency.

Oh and fyi, the deed (if it happened, already mentioned I didn't read, trying to find out, too lazy to google) might be explained, as in he wanted to keep his newly found social standing and etc., but that is not the same thing as it being excusable and/or justifiable. It simply means he valued his social standing and wealth (I assume there's a degree of wealth attached to the titles and whatnot) more then the value of innocent lives. That says it all.

Anywho, curious about it. Hope someone clarifies for me

 

As others have said, he does show a lot of character growth in the book.  As someone who didn't like the writing quality of the other DA books, I found TME to be excellent and binge-read it in two days.  

[ladyofpayne]

Happy new year all of you! I wish all of us to get chevalier in our party. Sign this petittion to make Santa hear  us.

[Sommo James]

Would have like to have in on the party instead of Blackwall. He managed to defeat Gaspard despite being hexed. Pure badassery.

[Above Good and Evil]

Where did you guys place him in the Inquisition? I let him train with the troops since that's what honestly seems to be the best for him. Any opinions on where he should be placed.

[Sommo James]

Where did you guys place him in the Inquisition? I let him train with the troops since that's what honestly seems to be the best for him. Any opinions on where he should be placed.

 

I did the same, twice. Too much badass for being reduce to a tourist of the fade, or yet another player of the game. The sword is what is the best at.

[ladyofpayne]

To officer place. He is bad as player and as spy.

[Scerene]

In real life, plenty of people try to pass themselves off as being other than a minority.

 

It's understandable in places where that can be dangerous.

My sympathy goes out the window when said individual proceeds to murder members of his minority to secure his place.

 

Then again, Michel proves to be a better person than Briala proved to be.

 

I admit, part of my sketchy feelings about Michel boil down to the fact I don't really have much respect for Orlais' knights to begin with.

how is he a better person than Briala? He murders innocent elves and enjoys it to prove himself as a chevalier, calls people knife-ear, elves are trash , talks about putting elves in their place and not giving them any ideas about standing up for their rights, he is disgusted with Celene for "loving" Briala etc etc and talks about how you should look at peasants and elves as sex objects only etc etc. He is ashamed of his own mother, and himself and talks about how elves should know their place, and becomes psychotic and enraged whenever his secret's about to spill. The only time he didnt is when Briala told him to stand down at the end, very likely because he was exhausted and tired of all the bs, both of the events that occured and his ridiculous and deluded lies(and his phony "honor"). Where is the "honor" in murdering, bullying and terrorizing helpless people   Why is it that the people who cling to this ridiculous notion of "knightly honor" in regards to themselves, end up being the ones living the least honorable of lives.  a self-hating racist, who pretends to be a noble to become a chevalier and then uses his power to terrorize helpless people. OOOO thats the very essence of "honor" right there.

Please, Briala spends the entire book doing nothing but fighting for her people, but now In DAI, BW decided to have her lead somebody into trap because this individual made their displeasure of her past known to her, which quite frankly is cheap and bs from BW, but they needed to tarnish everybody to "keep it real" and make the choices in wicked eyes seem more muddled.  Briala does one thing wrong after spending her life fighting for her people, while Michel spends his entire life being a murderous, bullying, psychotic and self-loathing hypocrite and somehow he is the better person, just because bw decide to "redeem" him by one tiny little deed, which is nothing considering the fact that he was the one who freed the demon in the first place( yes i know the ****** dalish summoned it, but michel is still responsible for breaking the ward)

[thesuperdarkone2]

how is he a better person than Briala? He murders innocent elves and enjoys it to prove himself as a chevalier, calls people knife-ear, elves are trash , talks about putting elves in their place and not giving them any ideas about standing up for their rights, he is disgusted with Celene for "loving" Briala etc etc and talks about how you should look at peasants and elves as sex objects only etc etc. He is ashamed of his own mother, and himself and talks about how elves should know their place, and becomes psychotic and enraged whenever his secrets about to spill. The only time he didnt is when Briala told him to stand down at the end, very likely because he was exhausted and tired of all the bs, both of the events that occured and his ridiculous and deluded lies(and his phony "honor"). Where is the "honor" in murdering, bullying and terrorizing helpess people   Why is it that the people who cling to this ridiculous notion of "knightly honor" in regards to themselves, end up being the ones living the least honorable of lives.  a self-hating racist, who pretends to be a noble to become a chevalier and then uses his power to terrorize helpless people. OOOO thats the very essence of "honor" right there.

Please Briala spends the entire book doing nothing but fighting for her people, BW decided to have her lead somebody into trap because this individual made their displeasure of her past known to her, which quite frankly is cheap and bs from BW, but they needed to tarnish everybody to "keep it real" and make the choices in wicked eyes seem more muddled.  Briala does one thing wrong after spending her life fighting for her people, while Michel spends his entire life being a murderous, bullying, psychotic and self-loathing hypocrite and somehow he is the better person, just because bw decide to "redeem" him by one tiny little deed, which is nothing considering the fact that he was the one who freed the demon in the first place( yes i know the ****** dalish summoned it, but michel is still responsible for breaking the ward)

Apparently because he hurt Celene and that's all it takes for some to like him. I bet those people would support a genocidal pedophile if they opposed Celene.

[Scerene]

Haven't read the book(s). So a bit confused here. At his final trial thing, did he go with the others and actually killed elves in the slums? Like random people? Innocent random people?

Because if so, there's no redemption from that. Of course you can babble about this and that reason but really, there's no going back. He's a murderer. That's it. And if you "like" that type of person awesome, says a lot about you in terms of I don't know, basic human decency.

Oh and fyi, the deed (if it happened, already mentioned I didn't read, trying to find out, too lazy to google) might be explained, as in he wanted to keep his newly found social standing and etc., but that is not the same thing as it being excusable and/or justifiable. It simply means he valued his social standing and wealth (I assume there's a degree of wealth attached to the titles and whatnot) more then the value of innocent lives. That says it all.

Anywho, curious about it. Hope someone clarifies for me

thats basically him in a nutshell, dont listen to the nonsense about his "growth" he remains the same in the book. Not only did he participate in these nightly little raids, but he frequently mentions how he enjoys it (and murdering people who might spill his secret, which he also does and enjoys) He keeps talking about how elves deserve to be oppressed to the very end. At some point in the end he fesses up to Celene and Gaspard about his heritage, but only because of special circumstances that i dont want to spoil if you want to read the book. Funnily enough, that was the one time it was used against him in a way that he -didnt- have to fess up, but he and the entire party had been dragged through the mud by the end and the dude was clearly very exhausted, so it wasnt out of "honor" or growth that he revealed himself, he was just sick of it looming over his head.

 

as for basic human decency and standing up for whats "right"? ive learned to stop expecting that from people a loooong time ago  . Michels only redeeming quality is that he is a very good fighter, hence all the praise that is showered upon him in regards to his "badassery". Its not suprising when you consider the kind of people our world idealises, especially in terms of "masculinity", The fact that he is almost completely morally bankrupt, an oppressive bully, abusive, murderous, a user and psychopath means nothing, he is too dam badass to be help accountable for "little" things like that

[ladyofpayne]

Haven't read the book(s). So a bit confused here. At his final trial thing, did he go with the others and actually killed elves in the slums? Like random people? Innocent random people?

Because if so, there's no redemption from that. Of course you can babble about this and that reason but really, there's no going back. He's a murderer. That's it. And if you "like" that type of person awesome, says a lot about you in terms of I don't know, basic human decency.

Oh and fyi, the deed (if it happened, already mentioned I didn't read, trying to find out, too lazy to google) might be explained, as in he wanted to keep his newly found social standing and etc., but that is not the same thing as it being excusable and/or justifiable. It simply means he valued his social standing and wealth (I assume there's a degree of wealth attached to the titles and whatnot) more then the value of innocent lives. That says it all.

Anywho, curious about it. Hope someone clarifies for me

Remind you that you play youself as murder - it is rare you can spare someone's life or make a peaceful solution in RPG games. I am tired to repeat- DA shows us lighter version of medieval. This mean, yes, you get it - commoners means nothing, racism and the rest society traits of Dark ages.

Stop repeat of knightly romaces characters- those people has nothing to do with realistic knights like Michel.