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[SgtSteel91]

Does the War Table Mission: Reconciliation for Celene and Michel only happen when Celene holds the throne alone? I finished WEWH with Celene and Briala working together and I never got that mission to trigger.

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[berelinde]

Does the War Table Mission: Reconciliation for Celene and Michel only happen when Celene holds the throne alone? I finished WEWH with Celene and Briala working together and I never got that mission to trigger.

Yes, you only get that mission if Celene reigns alone. Considering the bad blood between Briala and Michel, it isn't surprising that Celene would not extend any offer of friendship if she and Briala were reunited.

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[d1ta]

Yes, you only get that mission if Celene reigns alone. Considering the bad blood between Briala and Michel, it isn't surprising that Celene would not extend any offer of friendship if she and Briala were reunited.

Hunh, funny? Since I got that war table mission too while Celene rules with Briala at her side (Marqueese of the Dales. Or whatever it is you're supposed to spell it) I wonder if it's a (good) bug happening on my end?

With Leliana suspecting Celene having ulterior motives and Cullen thinks it will be nice if they both could be friends again.

[Sylvernights]

lol it was hardly one or two, the nightly raids involved murdering as many elves as you could, something he himself admitted and enjoyed doing. He also encouraged the empress to not let the elves "get any ideas" about standing up for themselves, and spent the entire book expressing disdain for elves. He was also disgusted with her for having a relationship with Briala. his reasons for protecting Celene have nothing to do with her attempts at bettering people's lives, you are attempting to create a connection where there is none, if anything he constantly discouraged her from doing so and even to be ruthless. Keep rationalising and making excuses for him though, says more about you than him really, its cute 

 

I just read the Masked Empire, when did Michel "admit" that he enjoyed that raid? If nothing else he aborted the memory before even finishing it. I don't think he was proud of what he did, I don't think he enjoyed what he did. I think he acknowledges what he did and accepts that he did it as part of the initiation process, but nothing he said implied that he "enjoyed" what he did so please give me a page number or a line for reference, because I went back and reread that memory and what you are saying makes no sense at all. Also I don't think he was disgusted by Celene and Briala's relationship so much as he was confused by it, by the idea of a noble loving an elf. It's a foreign concept to him given that he exists in a world where he isn't really accepted by either side no matter what. The elves don't really accept elf-blooded because they pass for human and humans, particularly nobles, don't see elves as equals to them. I'm remided of the elf healer in Redcliffe being called knife ear, clearly humans distinguish themselves from elves on all levels aside from nobles and pesants, so he's in a very particular situation that is more complex than it seems.

 

something that he wholeheartedly encouraged i might add 

Oh no, you either need to read a little better or you and I are clearly not reading the same book. Michel was actually not happy that Halamshiral was burnt and the elven rebellion squashed. You might want to re-read his initial reaction to it. He supported Celene's decision because she is the Empress and he serves her as he is bound to do. Throughout the book it almost seemed like he'd rather not be serving her at times, it was just barely there, but there was the impression and at the end when he was free to choose his own path he almost seemed relieved because he didn't have to keep up the pretenses any longer. That aside, the defeat of the elves at Halamshiral was not a victory in his eyes, it was a tagedy and let me explain why: if elves could be accepted in Orlesian society as nobles and scholars and Maker forbid, chevaliers, then that would mean no more hiding for Michel. He could be an equal in society as well without this weakness to exploit.

 

As a general note to everyone condemning the chevaliers, I agree there is corruption. I disagree with their initiation process, I disagree with their raids, but they do have an unshakable code of honor. I want to make a point, however, that there are good chevalier like Michel who has never been described as going on any raids since his initiation and was described by Briala as nobler than most nobles. I really liked his flawed Knight character because it made him more than a one-dimensional goody-two-shoes character. I believe that Michel tried to be as honorable as he knew how to be given the world state that he lives in. And here is where I make my point, if you are going to condemn him you might as well condemn every order in Thedas, because not one is without their sins, not one is without their corruption. Cullen? The Templars? Look very closely at them and their abuses of mages, making innocent mages tranquil, abuses and threats against innocent and obedient mages. Not all Templars were like this, but a lot of them were. Anders wasn't born remember, he was made the way he was through abuses. On that note there are terrible Mages as well, you just have to look at Tevinter and what was done to Fenris and countless others to know that, even though we have exceptions like Dorian Pavus, Tevinter is still a society made up of corrupt mages and they have more than their fair share per-capital. Grey Wardens! Oh and Zevran and the Antivan Crows! He was part of an organization that killed people for profit! It didn't matter if these were good and innocent people or not and he didn't object to the woman he loved being killed either. Oh and the Chantry, the Chantry that controls the Templars through their Lyrium chain isn't above reproach even. Thedas itself is corrupt, so before judging Michel too harshly for some misguided chevalier practices, take in the big picture of the world that he lives in. He's certainly more nobler than most, even Cullen is a jerk by compairison if you take the right path with him. That is why I do not judge him harshly and that is also why I appreciate his character.

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*snorts* Osama Bin Anders always being defended as a victim despite his placement in one of the most liberal circles in Thedas.

[Sylvernights]

*snorts* Osama Bin Anders always being defended as a victim despite his placement in one of the most liberal circles in Thedas.

I'm not saying that Anders is a victim, he's responsible for his own actions, but no matter how "liberal" a prison is, a prison is still a prison. If it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's a duck. I don't care if it was liberal, a child being dragged away from his family in chains and forced to live in a place he had no desire to live in just because he's different? That's wrong. The overarching moral of the story isn't about Anders, however, it is about how every order, every organization, every group of people within Thedas is corrupt at some level, it's not black and white.

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[Gervaise]

I would agree that as Chevaliers go Michel is better than most and this is likely because of his awareness that he isn't really a noble at all.   He got where he is by his sheer fighting prowess that a noble recognised even as a boy in the alienage and so gave him a chance in life.   This noble was clearly also a decent sort for being willing to adopt a nobody in this way and that probably reflected in his overall upbringing and attitude to others.   I personally think he was well off out of the Chevaliers as an organisation but it seems did not view it in the same way, since he was willing enough to be reinstated by either Celene or Gaspard.

 

However, the abuses of the Chevalier Order against the general peasant population let alone the elves, have been played down since DAO.    There we learn how a girl in the market place at  Denerim is a refugee with her brother from Orlais because he dared to stand up to a Chevalier who wanted to rape her.   If you spare Loghain he tells you how  as a young man he once witnessed a poor farmer being beaten to death by a Chevalier.    In World of Thedas it states that the Chevaliers hold absolute power over those of commoner rank.    The brutality of certain members of the chevaliers is infamous.   The knighthood is considered above legal reproach so consequently those of the lower classes fear them as much as those of higher standing adore them.    The codex in DAO stressed that the nobility in Orlais considered themselves to hold the position by Divine right.    Any rebellion against them is considered not just one against the state but the Maker himself.  This applies to all the lower orders, although the elves are treated worse than the rest and since everyone despises them, that is probably why they use the alienage for training instead of peasant areas generally.   Otherwise it might just be possible that some high minded Chantry sister would object.   Their code of conduct only really applies to the nobility.   That is why Gaspard refused to torture Comte Pierre.    Briala was surprised when she realised that Michel really would keep to their arrangement because I think she knew that the majority of Chevaliers would not think that a vow made to an elf had to be honoured.

 

That is what was largely missing from both the Masked Empire and DAI.    It is why it grated with me that we were forced to ingratiate ourselves with the Orlesian nobility or risk a mission fail and if Michel is offered the chance of reinstatement it was annoying that you were clearly being steered into agreeing to it. 

[Aliceeverafter]

he's like a lovely elfy Cullen *dreamy*

 

sorry. that was all i had to say

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