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[Birdy]

Spoiler

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to use that.

Haha. That's perfect.  XD

[Birdy]

[Iakus]

Pssst... Brood Mothers count. As well as The Mother. Desire demons are pretty damn near naked with just a few small details covered by random pieces of jewelry or whatever. 

 

As for sex... Most of the Bioware games I've played had a sex scene or two in them. 

 

So in the end, a sequence in which someone's ass or t!ts are shown during a sex scene or not, is in no way a surprise or "new" to the series. 

That's why I added that part in parenthesis, Given brood mothers aren't exactly, human (or dwarf, or whatever) anymore.  That turns into a grey area.

 

And we are not talking about sex, we're talking about nudity.

 

But if you want to say one very brief scene in a game nearly a decade ago makes this old hat, well, I can't really stop you.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Wow, I don't even know where to begin...

 

First, give me a minute to spit out all the words you put in my mouth.

 

Do you deny that people were advocating for more Witcher-style scenes with nudity?  What I said was not inaccurate.  Clearly, they were heard.  I may not be pleased with it, but I have never called anyone a "pervert" and I do acknowledge the popularity of Witcher games.  Not my preference in setting, but I've never spoken against the series.  They actually appear to be well-crafted games for those that like them.

 

Next, you seem all hot and bothered about your opinion being diminished, yet you don't hesitate to diminish the opinions of anyone who dares voice an opinion contrary to yours.  As you are doing to me right now.  

 

And I will repeat:  indications are nudity isn't always skippable, as at least one screenshot indicates, there is dialogue with a topless Cassandra.

 

Oh so, as long as you don't explicitly say it, we're supposed to just ignore the tone you're using in your posts towards those of us who don't care about nudity in the game?

 

Gotcha. 

 

Stop treating the rest of us like idiots, please.

 

And the Cassandra nudity is absolutely skippable: Don't romance Cassandra, and you won't have to sear your eyes shut because of pixels.

[Iakus]

I meant people who are interested in it in an artistic context in video games. Or, hell, even admitting that you're sexually interested in it as well; there's nothing wrong with that, but it's a viewpoint that's only marginally socially acceptable in many cases. And given the force that would-be cultural censors have attacked this sort of thing with, I'm not surprised that many of us have become somewhat oversensitive to it.

There's also the fact that there are far, far more games without nudity than with it, especially in a mature and romantic context, so it feels like someone with a big sand castle trying to kick down part of a much smaller one.

 

 

ME1's also didn't really include nudity. I understand issues with some wanting to skip it... but I have to say that I'd prioritize integrating character interaction into romance scenes over a desire to skip nudity. Hell, I've had to sit through many, many deeply undesirable dialogue scenes in my time, for various reasons.

Frankly I don't think games are there yet in terms of artistic context.  They have a ways ago before they're taken seriously  enough to be that level of art.  I really don't think nudity would be handled in a tasteful enough manner to elevate the content.

 

The love scene in ME1 is as close to nudity that I'd care to see in a game.  And there's plenty of ways to add interactivity in a romance scene that doesn't require nudity.

[RicochetHawke]

That's why I added that part in parenthesis, Given brood mothers aren't exactly, human (or dwarf, or whatever) anymore.  That turns into a grey area.

 

And we are not talking about sex, we're talking about nudity.

 

But if you want to say one very brief scene in a game nearly a decade ago makes this old hat, well, I can't really stop you.

 

No. It's not a gray area at all. T!ts are t!ts. And Brood Mothers have about ten of them. 

[Father_Jerusalem]

Frankly I don't think games are there yet in terms of artistic context.  They have a ways ago before they're taken seriously  enough to be that level of art.  I really don't think nudity would be handled in a tasteful enough manner to elevate the content.

 

The love scene in ME1 is as close to nudity that I'd care to see in a game.  And there's plenty of ways to add interactivity in a romance scene that doesn't require nudity.

 

So we shouldn't have nudity in games, because Iakus doesn't think that video games count as art?

 

Glad we got that one cleared up.

[Iakus]

So we shouldn't have nudity in games, because Iakus doesn't think that video games count as art?

 

Glad we got that one cleared up.

 

*spits out more words*  Dangit, are you trying to choke me to death?

 

You do realize that lack of nudity is only a preference for, and not a deal-breaker, yes?

[Xilizhra]

Frankly I don't think games are there yet in terms of artistic context.  They have a ways ago before they're taken seriously  enough to be that level of art.  I really don't think nudity would be handled in a tasteful enough manner to elevate the content.

 

The love scene in ME1 is as close to nudity that I'd care to see in a game.  And there's plenty of ways to add interactivity in a romance scene that doesn't require nudity.

I hardly think that we're going to get anywhere unless we try. I personally have no fears about the nudity in DAI being somehow artistically unworthy.

And hell, even if it's not high art, it'll look good and very likely won't be tasteless and exploitative, so I see no reason not to go fulls team ahead.

[Iakus]

I hardly think that we're going to get anywhere unless we try. I personally have no fears about the nudity in DAI being somehow artistically unworthy.

And hell, even if it's not high art, it'll look good and very likely won't be tasteless and exploitative, so I see no reason not to go fulls team ahead.

Yeah, see I'm afraid it will be tasteless. It may look good, given how good the graphics we've seen so far have proven to be.  But I find it far more probable that it will simply be eye candy, with no narrative purpose.  Perhaps harmless enough, but I will have no option to skip past it.

[Xilizhra]

Yeah, see I'm afraid it will be tasteless. It may look good, given how good the graphics we've seen so far have proven to be.  But I find it far more probable that it will simply be eye candy, with no narrative purpose.  Perhaps harmless enough, but I will have no option to skip past it.

How would you define taste or tastelessness?

[Iakus]

How would you define taste or tastelessness?

That's a difficult question, since (obviously) it's different for each person.

 

I guess tastelessness for me personally would be to have nudity in order to have nudity.  To focus overmuch on the breasts or buttocks or whatever when there's something more important going on.  For example,  pretty much any Miranda scene in ME2 or ME3.  

 

Tasteful would be, I suppose brief and to the point.  The nudity is there, but only to the degree that it's necessary.  Basically I think the more that's left to the imagination, the better.

[Xilizhra]

That's a difficult question, since (obviously) it's different for each person.

 

I guess tastelessness for me personally would be to have nudity in order to have nudity.  To focus overmuch on the breasts or buttocks or whatever when there's something more important going on.  For example,  pretty much any Miranda scene in ME2 or ME3.  

 

Tasteful would be, I suppose brief and to the point.  The nudity is there, but only to the degree that it's necessary.  Basically I think the more that's left to the imagination, the better.

Well, the problem with the scenes with Miranda is that they weren't in a sexual context. When it is a sexual context, this sort of thing is entirely appropriate. I suppose I'm more open about what's left to the imagination and such.

[Iakus]

Well, the problem with the scenes with Miranda is that they weren't in a sexual context. When it is a sexual context, this sort of thing is entirely appropriate. I suppose I'm more open about what's left to the imagination and such.

That's just it, though, the scenes while sexual in nature, are supposed to be romantic in context.  

[Dark Helmet]

I wonder how those who sneer at people for not caring for nudity in the romances would react if romance also included things like pregnancy, marriage, STDs, etc.

 

Too uncomfortable?

 

Not if they made sense for the character and their arc.

[Xilizhra]

That's just it, though, the scenes while sexual in nature, are supposed to be romantic in context.  

And I'm quite certain that the sexual content would be as well, unless for some reason they forget about each other and just start randomly posing.

[SwobyJ]

I wonder how those who sneer at people for not caring for nudity in the romances would react if romance also included things like pregnancy, marriage, STDs, etc.

 

Too uncomfortable?

 

I'm fine with all of these, as these are all things that happen. Sure.

[SwobyJ]

I'm not talking about little bits in the epilogue or a spouse that hangs out at Skyhold and accumulates cash for you.  I'm talking about a visible part of the romance.  As much as any love scene.  

 

A romance where marriage is an option, or in some cases even required to complete a romance arc?

 

 I'm talking visible baby bump 

 

I'm talking really awkward questions as you gather particular herbs for Skyhold's medic.

 

If T&A is a natural part of a romance, why not these as well?

 

-Yes

 

-Yes

 

-Yes

 

-Yes

 

-Sure

 

Get on it, Bioware!

[Iakus]

And I'm quite certain that the sexual content would be as well, unless for some reason they forget about each other and just start randomly posing.

 

What I mean is the scene is done more for titillation purposes than for emotional content.  

 

I mean, even witthout the underwear, Sam and Shepard's shower scene isn't exactly "romantic"

[Iakus]

-Yes

 

-Yes

 

-Yes

 

-Yes

 

-Sure

 

Get on it, Bioware!

 

Where are posters like you when threads for these things come up?  

[Xilizhra]

What I mean is the scene is done more for titillation purposes than for emotional content.  

 

I mean, even witthout the underwear, Sam and Shepard's shower scene isn't exactly "romantic"

Well, I find sex and nudity to hold the potential to be very emotionally rewarding. The problem with Samantha was more the dialogue and setup.

[SwobyJ]

Where are posters like you when threads for these things come up?  

 

Too busy caring about topics of lore and story theorizing and stuff.

 

I don't even really care in the end if there are romances. Really. But if there are, I want them to be awesome.

[Iakus]

Well, I find sex and nudity to hold the potential to be very emotionally rewarding. The problem with Samantha was more the dialogue and setup.

Potential, sure.  But then any two people can have sex.  A love scene is something far more.  And, I daresay, far more complicated.  Nudity i can overwhelm the scene.  Like a strong spice in a meal can drown out the other flavors.

[Xilizhra]

Potential, sure.  But then any two people can have sex.  A love scene is something far more.  And, I daresay, far more complicated.  Nudity i can overwhelm the scene.  Like a strong spice in a meal can drown out the other flavors.

All right, but I don't see the divide as starkly as you do. Even romantic sex should have fun involved.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Potential, sure.  But then any two people can have sex.  A love scene is something far more.  And, I daresay, far more complicated.  Nudity i can overwhelm the scene.  Like a strong spice in a meal can drown out the other flavors.

 

And having sex with your partner whilst you're both wearing full underwear or taking a shower in your full uniform can also overwhelm the scene, making it laughably terrible.