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[daveliam]

And it seems you didn't understand my post either

I'm saying that since the game is rated mature its to be expected to contain Nudity so if you or someone else can't handle itthats ok but don't blame Bioware for including Nudity

 

Its as if I would somehow say ohh noo the blood it bothers me, people would be like wtf buy another gay this isn't for you

also btw how is violence everywhere and how is it unavoidable?? especially in contrast to sex

 

Vultrae has never blamed Bioware for anything.  S/he asked about the nudity, but isn't making a big deal about it.  I don't agree with his/her assessment on what's appropriate to show children and what's not, but, frankly, that's really none of my business.  There are other posters who are questioning why Bioware made this move, but, to be fair,Vultrae was really just asking clarifying questions.

[Birdy]

Mmmm.  I'm liking Iron Bull. Read a rumor he says he's attracted to red heads. Don't know if it's true or not but still a nice thought.  Haven't heard anything about Darian or I'd be thinking about him.

Sera needs a better hair cut.

And we FINALLY get to really romance Cullen.  

[RicochetHawke]

I'm not talking about little bits in the epilogue or a spouse that hangs out at Skyhold and accumulates cash for you.  I'm talking about a visible part of the romance.  As much as any love scene.  

 

A romance where marriage is an option, or in some cases even required to complete a romance arc?

 

 I'm talking visible baby bump 

 

I'm talking really awkward questions as you gather particular herbs for Skyhold's medic.

 

If T&A is a natural part of a romance, why not these as well?

 

Where are you going with all of this? 

 

First of all, none of that is offensive or uncomfortable. And if it is, you are overly sensitive or have some other issues going on. 

 

The other person gave my a clue as to why they are so against it. Obviously there's a psychological issue involved. With you however, it just doesn't make sense to me. And I think both of you are just wrong for this series. It has already established itself as what it is. T/A is nothing new or unexpected from the DA series... Or Bioware in general.  

[Muspade]

People are strange and I continue to not understand certain people.

[Iakus]

Where are you going with all of this? 

 

First of all, none of that is offensive or uncomfortable. And if it is, you are overly sensitive or have some other issues going on. 

 

The other person gave my a clue as to why they are so against it. Obviously there's a psychological issue involved. With you however, it just doesn't make sense to me. And I think both of you are just wrong for this series. It has already established itself as what it is. T/A is nothing new or unexpected from the DA series... Or Bioware in general.  

Who said any of it was offensive?  Who says I find nudity offensive or uncomfortable?  I've simply said it's not my preference.  I take more offense at people making such assumptions that those who don't care for nudity are either 1) prudes 2) puritanical right-wingers or 3) Overly sensitive if not outright mentally disturbed

 

Basically what I'm asking is, why is nudity so important?  People keep comparing it to violence in the game, but why not compare it to something that's actually comparable: other aspects of romance/sex.

 

And fyi nudity is something new and yes unexpected in the DA series and Bioware in general.  There has been exactly one Bioware game that showed nudity, Mass Effect 1.  And it was a very brief, skippable scene.  Indications are that it will be neither for at least some of the romances in DAI.

[RicochetHawke]

Who said any of it was offensive?  Who says I find nudity offensive or uncomfortable?  I've simply said it's not my preference.  I take more offense at people making such assumptions that those who don't care for nudity are either 1) prudes 2) puritanical right-wingers or 3) Overly sensitive if not outright mentally disturbed

 

Basically what I'm asking is, why is nudity so important?  People keep comparing it to violence in the game, but why not compare it to something that's actually comparable: other aspects of romance/sex.

 

And fyi nudity is something new and yes unexpected in the DA series and Bioware in general.  There has been exactly one Bioware game that showed nudity, Mass Effect 1.  And it was a very brief, skippable scene.  Indications are that it will be neither for at least some of the romances in DAI.

 

No. Nudity is not new or unexpected. I don't know what games you've been playing, but it definitely exists in more than just Mass Effect. 

 

And the reason it's being compared to violence is because it only makes sense for blood and violence to be more offensive than what lies underneath someone's clothes. You know, those parts we were all naturally born with. 

 

But basically you're just here to argue for the sake of arguing. 

[Xilizhra]

I wonder how those who sneer at people for not caring for nudity in the romances would react if romance also included things like pregnancy, marriage, STDs, etc.

 

Too uncomfortable?

I would not give a **** beyond issues of being evenhanded with different orientations. STDs, as demonstrated by Anders and Isabela, are pretty much nothing with mages around.

 

 

Who said any of it was offensive?  Who says I find nudity offensive or uncomfortable?  I've simply said it's not my preference.  I take more offense at people making such assumptions that those who don't care for nudity are either 1) prudes 2) puritanical right-wingers or 3) Overly sensitive if not outright mentally disturbed

 

Basically what I'm asking is, why is nudity so important?  People keep comparing it to violence in the game, but why not compare it to something that's actually comparable: other aspects of romance/sex.

 

And fyi nudity is something new and yes unexpected in the DA series and Bioware in general.  There has been exactly one Bioware game that showed nudity, Mass Effect 1.  And it was a very brief, skippable scene.  Indications are that it will be neither for at least some of the romances in DAI.

Because it's historically been extremely common to either attack or erase people like us, and it brings up bad historical connotations. Of course, there are far worse targets for attacking/erasure, but this doesn't make the former right. And I'm not saying you're necessarily doing it, but many of us are put off by people advocating for the removal of what we consider to be a desirable feature, especially when the reasons given are extraordinarily vague at best.

[Cantina]

Maybe its just me, but I don't get it.

 

 

No offense to the OP or anyone...

 

Its OK to see your character spill someone's blood all over the place but its considered wrong to see someone's bare ass or a woman's breasts!?!

 

Gosh,pretty soon people are going to need to cover up completely just to have sex. Oh! And babies will be born completely clothed. Hell, maybe even the Discovery Channel will censor animals mating.

[Iakus]

No. Nudity is not new or unexpected. I don't know what games you've been playing, but it definitely exists in more than just Mass Effect. 

 

And the reason it's being compared to violence is because it only makes sense for blood and violence to be more offensive than what lies underneath someone's clothes. You know, those parts we were all naturally born with. 

 

But basically you're just here to argue for the sake of arguing. 

Baldur's Gate

Baldur's Gate 2

Neverwinter Nights

Knights of the Old Republic

Jade Empire

Dragon Age: Origins

Dragon Age 2

Mass Effect 2

Mass Effect 3

 

There is not a single scene of nudity in any of them (well, if you don't count the brood mothers.in DAO)

 

And I feel compelled to argue in defense of those I see to be mocked, alienated, and having their feelings trivialized simply for feeling as they do.

[Xilizhra]

Baldur's Gate

Baldur's Gate 2

Neverwinter Nights

Knights of the Old Republic

Jade Empire

Dragon Age: Origins

Dragon Age 2

Mass Effect 2

Mass Effect 3

 

There is not a single scene of nudity in any of them (well, if you don't count the brood mothers.in DAO)

 

And I feel compelled to argue in defense of those I see to be mocked, alienated, and having their feelings trivialized simply for feeling as they do.

Would you continue to argue for a lack of nudity?

[Bigdoser]

I would not give a **** beyond issues of being evenhanded with different orientations. STDs, as demonstrated by Anders and Isabela, are pretty much nothing with mages around.

 

 

Because it's historically been extremely common to either attack or erase people like us, and it brings up bad historical connotations. Of course, there are far worse targets for attacking/erasure, but this doesn't make the former right. And I'm not saying you're necessarily doing it, but many of us are put off by people advocating for the removal of what we consider to be a desirable feature, especially when the reasons given are extraordinarily vague at best.

I personally found that hilarious STD's? With mages around who CARES! we just fix it with magic! 

[Iakus]

I would not give a **** beyond issues of being evenhanded with different orientations. STDs, as demonstrated by Anders and Isabela, are pretty much nothing with mages around.

 

 

Because it's historically been extremely common to either attack or erase people like us, and it brings up bad historical connotations. Of course, there are far worse targets for attacking/erasure, but this doesn't make the former right. And I'm not saying you're necessarily doing it, but many of us are put off by people advocating for the removal of what we consider to be a desirable feature, especially when the reasons given are extraordinarily vague at best.

You have shown to be one of the more reasonable people when it comes to at least acknowledging that some people might have a problem with nudity. Though I don't understand what historical connotations nudity or its lack brings up.

[Cantina]

I personally found that hilarious STD's? With mages around who CARES! we just fix it with magic! 

 

Well my mage never had to worry about STDs in DA2. She kept her Arcane Shield on when she had sex. (Complete accident by the way)

[Father_Jerusalem]

Who said any of it was offensive?  Who says I find nudity offensive or uncomfortable?  I've simply said it's not my preference.  I take more offense at people making such assumptions that those who don't care for nudity are either 1) prudes 2) puritanical right-wingers or 3) Overly sensitive if not outright mentally disturbed

 

Basically what I'm asking is, why is nudity so important?  People keep comparing it to violence in the game, but why not compare it to something that's actually comparable: other aspects of romance/sex.

 

And fyi nudity is something new and yes unexpected in the DA series and Bioware in general.  There has been exactly one Bioware game that showed nudity, Mass Effect 1.  And it was a very brief, skippable scene.  Indications are that it will be neither for at least some of the romances in DAI.

 

Nudity is important because when you say "I wish it wasn't in the game" then you're saying that you want it taken out. Depriving people of options is important. It's not about pixelated boobs and all of us being "perverts", it's about BioWare putting something into the game that you, for whatever your reasons may be, don't like and campaign against.

 

So that next time, when BioWare's making the next game, one of the devs may say "Hey what about this..." and then another dev say "Well some people didn't like that last time, so we shouldn't do that because we don't want to deal with the crap on the forums again". 

 

Are you actively asking for censorship? No, you're not. But you're coming out and labeling those of us who are either fine with it or don't care about it as perverts who only care about T&A in an attempt to diminish our opinions and raise your opinion. Like yours is a much more important and mature opinion - for instance, I see you saying in another thread that "It definitely looks like the Witcher fans were heard..." 

 

That's taking several potshots at people for being fine with the fact that there is nudity in this game. 

 

And that's why nudity is important. Because your opinion ISN'T more important than mine, or anyone else's. Nudity is skippable. If you don't like it, don't do the things that lead to seeing it. Simple as that.

[Iakus]

Would you continue to argue for a lack of nudity?

 

I've made no secret of my preference for fade-to-black.  It removes the awkwardness of underwear scenes and leaves the specifics up to the players' imaginations.  

 

If there were nudity, I would prefer ME1's style:  brief and skippable for players who don't want it.

[RicochetHawke]

Baldur's Gate

Baldur's Gate 2

Neverwinter Nights

Knights of the Old Republic

Jade Empire

Dragon Age: Origins

Dragon Age 2

Mass Effect 2

Mass Effect 3

 

There is not a single scene of nudity in any of them (well, if you don't count the brood mothers.in DAO)

 

And I feel compelled to argue in defense of those I see to be mocked, alienated, and having their feelings trivialized simply for feeling as they do.

 

Pssst... Brood Mothers count. As well as The Mother. Desire demons are pretty damn near naked with just a few small details covered by random pieces of jewelry or whatever. 

 

As for sex... Most of the Bioware games I've played had a sex scene or two in them. 

 

So in the end, a sequence in which someone's ass or t!ts are shown during a sex scene or not, is in no way a surprise or "new" to the series. 

[Cantina]

according to some here violence is unavoidable in real life and is everywhere but nudity isn't

hell some poster even said that sex is more questionable to people than freaking excessive violence

wtf logic where are you?

 

 

Uh...if you find this so called logic can you let me know?

 

Maybe I'll shower with my clothes on from this point forward, you know so my virgin eyes are not effected and I am not terrified for the rest of my life.

[Muspade]

Maybe I'll shower with my clothes on from this point forward, you know so my virgin eyes are not effected and I am not terrified for the rest of my life.

Spoiler

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to use that.

[Xilizhra]

You have shown to be one of the more reasonable people when it comes to at least acknowledging that some people might have a problem with nudity. Though I don't understand what historical connotations nudity or its lack brings up.

I meant people who are interested in it in an artistic context in video games. Or, hell, even admitting that you're sexually interested in it as well; there's nothing wrong with that, but it's a viewpoint that's only marginally socially acceptable in many cases. And given the force that would-be cultural censors have attacked this sort of thing with, I'm not surprised that many of us have become somewhat oversensitive to it.

There's also the fact that there are far, far more games without nudity than with it, especially in a mature and romantic context, so it feels like someone with a big sand castle trying to kick down part of a much smaller one.

 

 

I've made no secret of my preference for fade-to-black.  It removes the awkwardness of underwear scenes and leaves the specifics up to the players' imaginations.  

 

If there were nudity, I would prefer ME1's style:  brief and skippable for players who don't want it.

ME1's also didn't really include nudity. I understand issues with some wanting to skip it... but I have to say that I'd prioritize integrating character interaction into romance scenes over a desire to skip nudity. Hell, I've had to sit through many, many deeply undesirable dialogue scenes in my time, for various reasons.

[Iakus]

Nudity is important because when you say "I wish it wasn't in the game" then you're saying that you want it taken out. Depriving people of options is important. It's not about pixelated boobs and all of us being "perverts", it's about BioWare putting something into the game that you, for whatever your reasons may be, don't like and campaign against.

 

So that next time, when BioWare's making the next game, one of the devs may say "Hey what about this..." and then another dev say "Well some people didn't like that last time, so we shouldn't do that because we don't want to deal with the crap on the forums again". 

 

Are you actively asking for censorship? No, you're not. But you're coming out and labeling those of us who are either fine with it or don't care about it as perverts who only care about T&A in an attempt to diminish our opinions and raise your opinion. Like yours is a much more important and mature opinion - for instance, I see you saying in another thread that "It definitely looks like the Witcher fans were heard..." 

 

That's taking several potshots at people for being fine with the fact that there is nudity in this game. 

 

And that's why nudity is important. Because your opinion ISN'T more important than mine, or anyone else's. Nudity is skippable. If you don't like it, don't do the things that lead to seeing it. Simple as that.

 

Wow, I don't even know where to begin...

 

First, give me a minute to spit out all the words you put in my mouth.

 

Do you deny that people were advocating for more Witcher-style scenes with nudity?  What I said was not inaccurate.  Clearly, they were heard.  I may not be pleased with it, but I have never called anyone a "pervert" and I do acknowledge the popularity of Witcher games.  Not my preference in setting, but I've never spoken against the series.  They actually appear to be well-crafted games for those that like them.

 

Next, you seem all hot and bothered about your opinion being diminished, yet you don't hesitate to diminish the opinions of anyone who dares voice an opinion contrary to yours.  As you are doing to me right now.  

 

And I will repeat:  indications are nudity isn't always skippable, as at least one screenshot indicates, there is dialogue with a topless Cassandra.