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Nice first post.
I've been seeing a lot of new posters in this thread.
Yeah, the only way you could scientifically show that any CPU usage was due to anti-tamper would be to benchmark with and without. Just looking at a CPU graph, you can't just point and say "There! That wasn't supposed to be there!"
Most of us have been running the same executable as our customers for a while now.
Please provide a developer's quote where it says it doesn't affect performance.
Enjoy.
I think that is appropriate.To this day, my relationship with Bioware helpful. Good games = happy customer.But after Lords of Denuvo .... after experiencing blue death. I think it is appropriate for an adult paying customer "Please not this"
He is saying anyone who oppose this Denuvo is a pirate. I'm not sure why he is granted supreme power to call people as pirates or whiners when they have legit concerns.
You assume too much. I've never pirated a game in my life. I just don't like DRM, period. I also am going to wait to see if they release any toolkits for modding, as I like to make and install mods to lengthen the life of the vanilla game, but I've heard the engine (Frostbite 3?) is very hard to mod.
There won't be a tool kit, the engine is licenced By EA from DICE it does not belong to bioware.
To get a tool kit it means the bigwigs at Bioware would need to approve releasing a tool kit for their overhaul of frostbite 3
ask EA for permission to distribute it
EA would have to approve it
EA would have to contact DICE
DICE would need to approve
then they all have to sign off on it (see amend their licence agreements) to make it legally binding.
He is saying anyone who oppose this Denuvo is a pirate. I'm not sure why he is granted supreme power to call people as pirates or whiners when they have legit concerns.
The concerns were legitimate until they were addressed. Now that we know the only DRM on the title is Origin, we should be able to move past this.
It doesn't make any sense to preorder the game and upon realizing it has the so far unbreakable protection to decide to cancel my preorder with the intent to later pirate the game, lol ?! Just out of curiosity let me ask you a question. When the game eventually gets pirated and the protection gets cracked, historically the probability of this happening is about 100%, why does the "pirate" get to enjoy the game without a DRM clogging performance and the ones paying for the game does not?
Logic, man. Seriously. You're saying that the game WILL be cracked, but "oh, hey, it's not cracked YET, so OF COURSE I WON'T PIRATE IT." Sure, buddy. Sure. 
And I completely agree with you about pirates getting to enjoy non-DRM games, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about numbers in the range of 1%-15% of your CPU. That's first, a pretty big range, and second, tells me that people are just making stuff up to see what sticks. Absolutely no one knows. You can also stop freaking out, buy it from Origin, and return in 24 hours if you don't like the way it runs. But we both know you won't do that, don't we?
Enjoy.
Thanks. Correct me if I understand the post wrong, but doesn't Mr. Derek French say it can't be proven if it does or does not affect performance?
It doesn't make any sense to preorder the game and upon realizing it has the so far unbreakable protection to decide to cancel my preorder with the intent to later pirate the game, lol ?! Just out of curiosity let me ask you a question. When the game eventually gets pirated and the protection gets cracked, historically the probability of this happening is about 100%, why does the "pirate" get to enjoy the game without a DRM clogging performance and the ones paying for the game does not?
I think publishers know that all anti-piracy measures get cracked sooner or later. This one is new and is holding up because they haven't figured it out yet. It's been said before in this thread but most of a game's sales happens in the first 2 months. If the anti-piracy measure can hold out that long, it will have done its job. Let's face it, most gamers have no patience and will cave in and buy the game, even if it means losing 3 fps and putting up with 57 fps.
Thanks. Correct me if I understand the post wrong, but doesn't Mr. Derek French say it can't be proven if it does or does not affect performance?
More or less, that's correct. However, since this particular anti-tamper software has been "tested" on previous titles, the proof is already available. It does not cause a noticeable impact on performance.
Well, for me this thread has actually been helpful. When the news of this first appeared on the twitter thread I wasn't sure what denuvo was and why people were freaking out about it so I googled it. That googling lead me to a forum where they were talking about how it could ruin your computer. Because I know almost nothing about technical matters, this made me very worried, I had no way of knowing if this was true or not.
Which is why this forum has been helpful. From what I understand (from previous posts) it's this securom thing that could ruin your computer and denuvo is safe? That's all I really care about. I will be annoyed if performance suffers (noticeably) but my main concern is that it won't ruin my newly bought computer.
It is mostly pirates just freaking out, because they have to buy the game in order to play. They are trying to make an issue out of something which isn't a even problem.
Ho ho. This post was most likely made by a pirate, because if you bought legit games in the past, you'd know how badly their DRM systems can mess up a PC.
I remember quite vividly how the original boxed copy of Mass Effect 1 came with SecuROM, which promptly installed itself and ran on EVERY exe started on the PC. And crashed them sometimes until I manually downloaded a fixed version of the SecuROM drivers.
When I got the idea to replay the Mass Effect trilogy years later, I bought ME1 a second time on Origin, just to avoid this BS.
Logic, man. Seriously. You're saying that the game WILL be cracked, but "oh, hey, it's not cracked YET, so OF COURSE I WON'T PIRATE IT." Sure, buddy. Sure.
And I completely agree with you about pirates getting to enjoy non-DRM games, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about numbers in the range of 1%-15% of your CPU. That's first, a pretty big range, and second, tells me that people are just making stuff up to see what sticks. Absolutely no one knows. You can also stop freaking out, buy it from Origin, and return in 24 hours if you don't like the way it runs. But we both know you won't do that, don't we?
I have already preordered via Origin, the game unlocks on the 20-th. It doesn't make any sense to preorder if I am going to pirate the game. Logic, seriously...
And actually all my questions are regarding the possible performance issues and is it really necessary so I'd say that's exactly what I'm talking about.
Well, for me this thread has actually been helpful. When the news of this first appeared on the twitter thread I wasn't sure what denuvo was and why people were freaking out about it so I googled it. That googling lead me to a forum where they were talking about how it could ruin your computer. Because I now almost nothing about technical matters, this made me very worried, I had no way of knowing if this was true or not.
Which is why this forum has been helpful. From what I understand (from previous posts) it's this securom thing that could ruin your computer and denuvo is safe? That's all I really care about. I will be annoyed if performance suffers (noticeably) but my main concern is that it won't ruin my newly bought computer.
Have you read the entirety of the discussion?
Denuvo is not SecuROM. They are not even in the same family of software; Denvuo is an anti-tamper software that prevents altering of the executable file (the .exe which is used to launch the game). Provided you do not tamper with, alter, or receive and attempt to use an altered executable, Denuvo will not hamper or diminish your experience with Inquisition. Further, it will not--I repeat--not damage your computer.
He is saying anyone who oppose this Denuvo is a pirate.
I never said that. But you are apparently much better at whining than reading.
I'm not sure why he is granted supreme power to call people as pirates or whiners when they have legit concerns.
I'm not sure why you think you have been granted supreme power to say that people who have concerns about Denuvo are definetly not pirates.
Imagine the desperation of pirates when they know it cant be cracked.
There won't be a tool kit, the engine is licenced By EA from DICE it does not belong to bioware.
Not really, because EA owns Dice and Bioware.
So Anti-DRM people. Do you also hate steam?
Please stop. You're inviting them to think Denuvo is DRM--which it isn't.
For everyone reading: Denuvo is not DRM. It is anti-tamper software which supports DRM. The only DRM attached to Inquisition is Origin, and it functions as it always has. There is nothing to freak out about or be worried by.
It is mostly pirates just freaking out, because they have to buy the game in order to play. They are trying to make an issue out of something which isn't a even problem.
I must be a pirate right? This collector edition cost me $90. People have the right to voice their concern. Maybe it's time for you to just shut it and stop accusing people who voice their opinion and concerns.
Edit. Just for the Femshep:
I have already preordered via Origin, the game unlocks on the 20-th. It doesn't make any sense to preorder if I am going to pirate the game. Logic, seriously...
And actually all my questions are regarding the possible performance issues and is it really necessary so I'd say that's exactly what I'm talking about.
My original question was to your statement of you thinking of cancelling your preorder. Remember?
Interesting question is does an opinion become iirelevant if you are a so called pirate? All I am seeing is people claiming Pirate! as if that does make one's opinion less important. I was actually hoping someone from Bioware can explain how exactly Denuvo works and how much it affects perfomance but alas it seems it's not going to happen.
Have you read the entirety of the discussion?
Denuvo is not SecuROM. They are not even in the same family of software; Denvuo is an anti-tamper software that prevents altering of the executable file (the .exe which is used to launch the game). Provided you do not tamper with, alter, or receive and attempt to use an altered executable, Denuvo will not hamper or diminish your experience with Inquisition. Further, it will not--I repeat--not damage your computer.
Maybe I expressed myself poorly but that was what I meant, that it wasn't denuvo that ruined computers....
I meant that the thread was helpful because it, well, helped me realise that and let me stop worrying. As I said I don't know much about technological matters so if it wasn't for this thread I would have kept worrying. The question mark was mostly because I kind off wanted someone to confirm that I had interpreted things correctly.
Maybe I expressed myself poorly but that was what I meant, that it wasn't denuvo that ruined computers....
I meant that the thread was helpful because it, well, helped me realise it and let me stop worrying. As I said I don't know much about technological matters so if it wasn't for this thread I would have kept worrying. The question maark was mostly because I kind off wanted someone to confirm that I had interpreted things correctly.
No worries.
Interesting question is does an opinion become iirelevant if you are a so called pirate? All I am seeing is people claiming Pirate! as if that does make one's opinion less important. I was actually hoping someone from Bioware can explain how exactly Denuvo works and how much it affects perfomance but alas it seems it's not going to happen.
To be clear, Denuvo is not DRM in the sense the DRM stands for Digital Rights Management (or Dogs Reading Magazines, or whatever you prefer). There is nothing in the Denuvo stuff that has to do with accounts or release date checking, or ownership or anything like that. It is not SecuROM. It is not Steamworks. It is not Safedisc, or any of the other DRM solutions that have been in the past. Origin is the DRM for Dragon Age: Inquisition in the exact same manner and settings as it was in Mass Effect 3. Nothing has changed here.
Denuvo is anti-tamper on the executable. This has nothing to do with mods or attempts to change textures or anything like that. Trying to hack the executable to cheat in multiplayer? This is what we are talking about.
If someone's mod is going to be based on modifying the executable, then yeah, that won't work. If the mod is based on game data, then that has nothing to do with the anti-tamper system.
The mod challenge will be making data that works with the Frostbite engine for DAI.
Yeah, the only way you could scientifically show that any CPU usage was due to anti-tamper would be to benchmark with and without. Just looking at a CPU graph, you can't just point and say "There! That wasn't supposed to be there!"
Most of us have been running the same executable as our customers for a while now.
Well, since it isn't DRM, there is just Origin, just like on Mass Effect 3. I didn't say it was specifically for MP, I just gave hacking the executable for MP as an example. Yes, our game executable is a mandatory download.
There ya go.
Please stop. You're inviting them to think Denuvo is DRM--which it isn't.
For everyone reading: Denuvo is not DRM. It is anti-tamper software which supports DRM. The only DRM attached to Inquisition is Origin, and it functions as it always has. There is nothing to freak out about or be worried by.
Yeah I realised that I made it seem that way.
Well the only thing to worry about is the Kneejerk reactions from people. I mean at first I though it was another form of DRM like Origin, then I actually googled it and read the description of the software. Then Derek kindly tells us about it too,
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