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#401
ahtf

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Interesting question is does an opinion become iirelevant if you are a so called pirate? All I am seeing is people claiming Pirate! as if that does make one's opinion less important. I was actually hoping someone from Bioware can explain how exactly Denuvo works and how much it affects perfomance but alas it seems it's not going to happen.

 

You know you can press the show bioware post and see their answers....



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danielkrs

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My original question was to your statement of you thinking of cancelling your preorder. Remember?

Sigh.Yes and again why would I preorder in the first place if my intention is to pirate the game, you can return a game on Origins within 24 hours of first using it?



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What is the Denuvo Anti-Tamper solution?
Denuvo Anti-Tamper technology prevents the debugging, reverse engineering and changing of executable files to strengthen the security of games. It is not a DRM solution, but rather, Denuvo Anti-tamper protects DRM solutions, such as Origin Online Access or the Steam license management system, from being circumvented.


How does it work?
The license management from Steam or Origin grants legitimate consumers access to the game and our Anti-Tamper solution ensures that these DRM systems are not bypassed.




Do you have any negative impact on the game or customer experience?
No, since only performance uncritical game functions are used in the Anti-Tamper process, Anti-Tamper has no perceptible effect on game performance nor is Anti-Tamper to blame for any game crashes of genuine executables.



What is the difference between DRM and Anti-Tamper?
A Digital Rights Management (DRM) system binds the game to a legitimate user account and allows the game to be played whenever and wherever the consumer wants to download and execute the game.
Anti-Tamper stops the reverse engineering and debugging of the DRM solution, but has no effect or limitation on the legitimate consumer. Anti-Tamper is completely transparent to legitimate game buyers and does not in any way impose activation limits, install drivers, or require a gamer to be "always on."

This is from their website. I think this topic needs to be locked now.
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#404
SofaJockey

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Ugh, I just realized this will mean we aren't getting mods either... 

 

That expectation was set clearly and consistently a very long time ago.


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#405
danielkrs

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Yes thank you very much and again - it just says that's it's not DRM per se and that it can't be judged how it affects CPU performance.



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Wow... All these fanboys defending intrusive DRM. Is this real life?

 

If a DRM has an impact on performance ( which has been stated by devs) then it should never ever be used. Denuvo might not be Starforce but it still seems pretty bad in my eyes

Hey look, another brand new account created to solely whine about Denuvo.

 

:P



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This is from their website. I think this topic needs to be locked now.

 

Wow... Are you for real? Do you really think they would have mention a loss in performance on their website if that was the case?



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This is from their website. I think this topic needs to be locked now.

 

So what? Those people are not trustworthy, they've proven it many times int the past.



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Almostfaceman

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To Almostfaceman:

 

Steam is fine NOW. I remember that the DRM, online thing, whatever means devs/publishers use to protect their games almost made me gave up gaming back in the days (Bioshock 2 I could'nt play it was so painful, Warhammer 40k was a pain...).  I would never play a Blizzard game now as I won't use an Apple product for the same reasons. You pay for a thing and you are still pestered with technical limitations. No.

 

Piracy is not theft either legally or morally. The legal definition of theft is the unlawful subtraction of  a material thing in pretty much every law system I've had to study or work with. Not the same thing.  Nobody loses a thing.  Companies may or may not depending on other factors such as PR, quality of products, loses revenue.  The perfect counter-example to this stance being CD Project but also all the "AAA-independent" crows (often former employees of big companies) Bioware included.

 

The music majors fighting piracy is a perfect example of the same struggle in the past.  They euh... lost.

 

It's a question of both principles and technical expertise intertwined. If you want to fight piracy aggressively, have the decency to not impact the legitimate, paying customers with lousy and/or intrusive systems.

 

Also don't you think that the current multi-platforming trend which objectively (I won't even argue the point it's so obvious) makes the games as a general rule less good, less diverse, more streamlined and sometimes dumb-downed, has nothing to do with the non-voiced stance of publishers to promote console gaming? PC gaming being less profitable and the gamers community seen as a bunch of criminals, either now or in the future.  It's called maximizing profit.

 

Such aggressive commercial practices in the games industries also impact the developers.  Less artistic freedom, PR and marketing having the upper hand on creative ones, crunch times sometimes irresponsible or health threatening.  Same in all industries.

 

The mental hoops you jump through to justify stealing something is almost funny.

 

I don't know why you went on and on about crappy DRM, I've already stated more than once that DRM should not be crappy and that if it is, it should be fixed. It's obvious that developers have spent money on perfecting the DRM so that it is less impactful on gaming. It's been brought up more than once the crappy DRM in the past and how painful it was. Okay, yes. We get it. Now quit living in the past, since it in no way PROVES that the DRM used now sucks. Nor does even crappy DRM justify stealing stuff. 

 

At the same time, I don't blame the guys making the product for protecting their product from theft. That anyone would have a problem with them trying to protect their profits, just means they want to steal their product and are trying to justify it somehow in their brain. 

 

It never ceases to amaze me how folks will go on and on about how evil companies are, but they just totally gloss over the arse hats who steal stuff. 



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Sigh.Yes and again why would I preorder in the first place if my intention is to pirate the game, you can return a game on Origins within 24 hours of first using it?

 

Thank you for repeating exactly what I just told you. And if you know that, then why suggest cancelling your preorder?



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We received clarification and the tone in this thread has become far to hostile. We are done here.


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