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[AshesEleven]

It's made by the same bunch of incompetents.

What does that even mean? Which incompetents?

[merik3000]

Hmm I'm sorely tempted to switch to digital deluxe version now from Inquisitors edition as with that I can start playing DA:I in the UK on Tuesday (using a VPN) whereas with my physical collectors edition I would have to wait until the 21st... I am really conflicted now as I personally want to make a statement against companies like Denova but don't want to give Bioware less money just because I disagree with EA on a fundamental level.... After the 21st I will be working like a dog continuously for 7 days with just enough time for eating and sleeping so no real gaming time... What would you guys do In my situation? I was honestly hoping for a cracked version to play the same time as U.S (didn't feel any guilt due to spending over £200 on Inquisition as I got art book also) but it seems the drm actually has the pirates stumped for now so with my £130 physical version I will need to wait till the 21st probably so long as Gamestop don't f*ck up but I like supporting what looks to be a very good game from Bioware that addressed alot of our concerns about DA". I even finally bough those silly Bioware points to get the DA2 dlc (all of it) which cost me more than DA2 is for sale new now

 

Ah crap I have just seriously bummed myself out now as I have been looking forward to playing for months now and it was what kept me going through x-mas shifts

[TKavatar]

What does that even mean? Which incompetents?

 

It's made by the same group that created SecuROM. 

[Almostfaceman]

Every single game people ****** and moan about the DRM and predict doom and gloom. Every single game is no problem for me to play and enjoy. 

 

So yes, I take it all with a grain of salt. 

 

P.S. I also see bugs with SLI all the time, that's one of the reasons I don't even bother with it. The performance boost isn't worth the money or trouble as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure my 780GTX will have no problem with this game. 

[Travie]

Ugh, I just realized this will mean we aren't getting mods either... 

[bztLL]

It's made by the same group that created SecuROM. 

It's made by Sony. Also SecuROM is a 10-year-old-abandonware

 

I doubt we will have issues with Denuvo

 

 

Ugh, I just realized this will mean we aren't getting mods either... 

 

Frostbite isn't modfriendly, even without any DRM we wouldn't get mods

[BadgerladDK]

Just to clarify on my earlier freakout: Based entirely on the developer's track record. I've not seen any concrete evidence of Denuvo causing instability or crashes, aside from the fact that any extra software running obviously takes resources. My intense loathing for the people involved is based purely on the fact that they made SecuROM (ever had to call EA to reinstall Mass Effect DLC? There's your culprit) and Sony Release Control.

[llandwynwyn]

It's made by Sony. Also SecuROM is a 10-year-old-abandonware

 

I doubt we will have issues with Denuvo

 

 

 

Frostbite isn't modfriendly, even without any DRM we wouldn't get mods

 

Sony DADC.

 

Denuvo is the new company formed from a management buyout of the Sony DADC DigitalWorks team, the team that developed best-of-breed copy protection...

 

SecuRom was used in the TS2 Ultimate Edition that EA/Origin gave away for free this year.

[unclee]

Ugh, I just realized this will mean we aren't getting mods either... 

 

The fact that they were using Frostbite 3 should have been your first clue that, outside of texture mods, not much is going to be possible.

[AlanC9]

Unless the game is completely online, pirates can't be stopped. DRM will only drive people to piracy more. Blizzard does this unashamedly by making all their games completely online on PC. I'll look for another hobby the day games become completely online.

I agree that online-only is our likely future. I don't see why that's a reason to abandon gaming, though.

[Dreamer]

How many will avoid a game that has a draconian drm? How many will ask for a refund due to a draconian drm?

 

Is the money spent on drm worth one week, maybe more?

 

This has no defence.

 

It works exactly as I described. That sounds like defense enough for me--and apparently the publishers and developers who continue to protect their investments with DRM.

[Almostfaceman]

We weren't going to get support for mods anyway. Supposedly Frostbite is hard to mod. So, if we do get mods, it'll probably take a while, like it did with ME3. It was like two years to get proper modding going on that, and it's still very limited. 

 

If anyone gets modding going very quickly for this game I'd be very surprised. Happily surprised.

[Cerulean_Shaman]

We weren't going to get support for mods anyway. Supposedly Frostbite is hard to mod. So, if we do get mods, it'll probably take a while, like it did with ME3. It was like two years to get proper modding going on that, and it's still very limited. 

 

If anyone gets modding going very quickly for this game I'd be very surprised. Happily surprised.

 

Not throwing in mod support yourself is shooting yourself in the foot. I know it's the engine's fault mostly but these things should be taken into consideration from the start. Skyrim is not an end-all game, but its community has shaped the game into its own child and a huge amount of people play that game not for what the developers did but for what the modders did.

 

Not to mention a huge amount of /eyeroll issues the developers left like bugs, shitty UI, ect, have been fixed by the community and all without the developers spending a dime. Whenever I see developers not include natural mod support for their games I just scratch my head. To me, it's like they think they're game won't be good enough to last beyond the month of its release and thus modding would be pointless.

[merik3000]

I was just looking at Origins to see whether I should just get the digital standard edition as well as my existing Inquisitor edition so I can start playing on the 17th (via Kora vpns) but.... ARE THEY INSANE WITH HOW MUCH THEY ARE CHARGING??? These prices are usually reserved for console games due to being able to trade them in which we cannot do with pc games.  £50 for a standard edition with no physical box or delivery costs... UNBELIEVABLE. I wish I could just give my money to the Bioware team as every time time I deal with EA I come out feeling outraged and sick.

 

Ah well it's mostly my fault for hoping I would get to play by the 17th.. But hey I think I have some free time open in January... Sorry for moping up the thread

[Battlebloodmage]

I agree that online-only is our likely future. I don't see why that's a reason to abandon gaming, though.

Unstable connection, losing progress, server maintainance, staying at somewhere without wifi. I just don't want to deal with all the troubles of just playing a game. CD Projekt Red is the only people who are on the gamers' side anymore.

[__c]

Is this self contained withing EXE or is it going to install/run something somewhere else?

 

I thought we're past this bs with things like steam/origin and what not. If there is such heavy handed DRM why is online activation still required?. I imagine Origin is required too.

 

I gave you what you wanted for your cake...my money, and then you put poison in the damn cake.

[Travie]

The fact that they were using Frostbite 3 should have been your first clue that, outside of texture mods, not much is going to be possible.

 

There is a HUGE difference between it being a bit difficult to mod and being literally impossible. 

[realguile]

DRM meaning no mods (I want hair mods) kind of defeats the purpose of getting the game on PC....

 

PS4 digital release and PC digital release are the same.

 

Ugh.

[Kantr]

This is what their site says.

 

 

What is the Denuvo Anti-Tamper solution?

Denuvo Anti-Tamper technology prevents the debugging, reverse engineering and changing of executable files to strengthen the security of games. It is not a DRM solution, but rather, Denuvo Anti-tamper protects DRM solutions, such as Origin Online Access or the Steam license management system, from being circumvented.

How does it work?

The license management from Steam or Origin grants legitimate consumers access to the game and our Anti-Tamper solution ensures that these DRM systems are not bypassed.

Do you have any negative impact on the game or customer experience?

No, since only performance uncritical game functions are used in the Anti-Tamper process, Anti-Tamper has no perceptible effect on game performance nor is Anti-Tamper to blame for any game crashes of genuine executables.

What is the difference between DRM and Anti-Tamper?

A Digital Rights Management (DRM) system binds the game to a legitimate user account and allows the game to be played whenever and wherever the consumer wants to download and execute the game.
Anti-Tamper stops the reverse engineering and debugging of the DRM solution, but has no effect or limitation on the legitimate consumer. Anti-Tamper is completely transparent to legitimate game buyers and does not in any way impose activation limits, install drivers, or require a gamer to be "always on."

[Nzero]

I'm not particulary fond of Sony's DRM systems considering they have been known to install rootkits (e.g. search for "Sony BMG copy protection rootkit scandal").

 

The thing that worries me about Denuvo DRM is that it constantly shuffles game code. This shuffling is actually computationally intensive, so it's more than a few CPU cycles.

[pdusen]

 

This is what their site says.

 

 

What is the Denuvo Anti-Tamper solution?

Denuvo Anti-Tamper technology prevents the debugging, reverse engineering and changing of executable files to strengthen the security of games. It is not a DRM solution, but rather, Denuvo Anti-tamper protects DRM solutions, such as Origin Online Access or the Steam license management system, from being circumvented.

How does it work?

The license management from Steam or Origin grants legitimate consumers access to the game and our Anti-Tamper solution ensures that these DRM systems are not bypassed.

Do you have any negative impact on the game or customer experience?

No, since only performance uncritical game functions are used in the Anti-Tamper process, Anti-Tamper has no perceptible effect on game performance nor is Anti-Tamper to blame for any game crashes of genuine executables.

What is the difference between DRM and Anti-Tamper?

A Digital Rights Management (DRM) system binds the game to a legitimate user account and allows the game to be played whenever and wherever the consumer wants to download and execute the game.
Anti-Tamper stops the reverse engineering and debugging of the DRM solution, but has no effect or limitation on the legitimate consumer. Anti-Tamper is completely transparent to legitimate game buyers and does not in any way impose activation limits, install drivers, or require a gamer to be "always on."

 

 

Quoting for emphasis. With hopes that everyone will calm the hell down.

[Travie]

 

This is what their site says.

 

 

What is the Denuvo Anti-Tamper solution?

Denuvo Anti-Tamper technology prevents the debugging, reverse engineering and changing of executable files to strengthen the security of games. It is not a DRM solution, but rather, Denuvo Anti-tamper protects DRM solutions, such as Origin Online Access or the Steam license management system, from being circumvented.

How does it work?

The license management from Steam or Origin grants legitimate consumers access to the game and our Anti-Tamper solution ensures that these DRM systems are not bypassed.

Do you have any negative impact on the game or customer experience?

No, since only performance uncritical game functions are used in the Anti-Tamper process, Anti-Tamper has no perceptible effect on game performance nor is Anti-Tamper to blame for any game crashes of genuine executables.

What is the difference between DRM and Anti-Tamper?

A Digital Rights Management (DRM) system binds the game to a legitimate user account and allows the game to be played whenever and wherever the consumer wants to download and execute the game.
Anti-Tamper stops the reverse engineering and debugging of the DRM solution, but has no effect or limitation on the legitimate consumer. Anti-Tamper is completely transparent to legitimate game buyers and does not in any way impose activation limits, install drivers, or require a gamer to be "always on."

 

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA! That's what Securom said. That's what Witcher 2's DRM said before good guy CDProjekt stripped it out (I forget the name). 

 

The truth is that the "anti-tamper" works by encrypting, which means it causes extra CPU cycles every time you access any part of the game. They aren't fooling anyone. 

[Derek French]

To be clear, Denuvo is not DRM in the sense the DRM stands for Digital Rights Management (or Dogs Reading Magazines, or whatever you prefer). There is nothing in the Denuvo stuff that has to do with accounts or release date checking, or ownership or anything like that. It is not SecuROM. It is not Steamworks. It is not Safedisc, or any of the other DRM solutions that have been in the past. Origin is the DRM for Dragon Age: Inquisition in the exact same manner and settings as it was in Mass Effect 3. Nothing has changed here.

 

Denuvo is anti-tamper on the executable. This has nothing to do with mods or attempts to change textures or anything like that. Trying to hack the executable to cheat in multiplayer? This is what we are talking about.

[Kantr]

At least they acknowledge it can be cracked. Fifa 15 they said was 46 days, but still not the best thing to do when they can get a few more sales with cheaper prices.

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Denuvo is anti-tamper on the executable. This has nothing to do with mods or attempts to change textures or anything like that. Trying to hack the executable to cheat in multiplayer? This is what we are talking about.

Interesting. So like the Anti-cheat engine that a few games use but instead stops it before you launch the game.

[Fast Jimmy]

There is a HUGE difference between it being a bit difficult to mod and being literally impossible. 

 

There is.

 

One is that mods will show up never. The other is that very simple mods will show up a year from now at the earliest.