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[Kirikou]

Do you guys just ignore the Bioware staff posts or do you just look at the title then decide to complain without reading the thread?

[Almostfaceman]

Healthy relationship? By forcing cancer on legitimate players like me?

 

What cancer? You mean DRM? That's not cancer. 

[Almostfaceman]

Dont expect it to be 5% of performance loss. More like 10%-15%.

 

And you just pulled that right out of your butt. 

[Almostfaceman]

Do you guys just ignore the Bioware staff posts or do you just look at the title then decide to complain without reading the thread?

 

Yes, I think they do, and it's especially irritating on short threads like these. But whatcha gonna do? 

[Stiler]

Considering how some of the PC community rips off their product, I'd say they don't HATE the PC community, there in a Healthy Relationship with them. Respect goes both ways, yo.

 

So it's respectful to automatically assume everyone that plays the game is a pirate and not only have to go through origin but also have another layer of DRM (which does take cpu cycles away) to also go through to play a game they paid their money for?

 

Would seem more respectful to me to treat customers as customers and give them the benefit of the doubt, people have largely accepted services like Steam/Origin (though there are still those that stay away from even that) but to go and layer a second one on top of this with a new DRM that already has one pc game having performance issues (Where the developers even said it takes some performance to use the DRM) is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way.

[Dutch]

And you just pulled that right out of your butt. 

 

Yes i did, but do you honestly trust them when they say it will be a "1%-5% performance loss"? yea right...

[Kirikou]

Yes i did, but do you honestly trust them when they say it will be a "1%-5% performance loss"? yea right...

Trust who? Bioware has said nothing about performance loss.

[AlanC9]

So it's respectful to automatically assume everyone that plays the game is a pirate and not only have to go through origin but also have another layer of DRM (which does take cpu cycles away) to also go through to play a game they paid their money for?
 

The italed is just silly. When I lock my car doors in a mall parking lot, it's not because I assume that everyone at the mall is a thief.

[Almostfaceman]

So it's respectful to automatically assume everyone that plays the game is a pirate and not only have to go through origin but also have another layer of DRM (which does take cpu cycles away) to also go through to play a game they paid their money for?

 

Would seem more respectful to me to treat customers as customers and give them the benefit of the doubt, people have largely accepted services like Steam/Origin (though there are still those that stay away from even that) but to go and layer a second one on top of this with a new DRM that already has one pc game having performance issues (Where the developers even said it takes some performance to use the DRM) is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way.

 

That's not very realistic. You're faulting someone for what amounts to putting a lock on their front door. Everybody does it, does that mean we all think everyone out there is a thief? Nope, but we know that a small percentage of folks are. It's the same concept and it only takes a small amount of common sense to figure it out. Again, this doesn't excuse any DRM that is poorly designed, but we have yet to see that it is on this game, and I haven't had any problems with previous games. 

[AlanC9]

Yes i did, but do you honestly trust them when they say it will be a "1%-5% performance loss"? yea right...

Don't take this the wrong way, but I trust them more than you.

[Almostfaceman]

Yes i did, but do you honestly trust them when they say it will be a "1%-5% performance loss"? yea right...

 

I really can't live my life being this paranoid. If I'm going to walk around thinking everything the game makers say is lies, what's the point in talking to them or buying their games? They're protecting their game, I respect that. People do try to steal the stuff. It's not even debatable. 

[Dutch]

I really can't live my life being this paranoid. If I'm going to walk around thinking everything the game makers say is lies, what's the point in talking to them or buying their games? They're protecting their game, I respect that. People do try to steal the stuff. It's not even debatable. 

 

I'm not asking you to be paranoid. I'm asking you and all others to not be so gullible, with respect.

[Stiler]

A dev explains this earlier in the thread. Hit the Bioware button for more details. Annnd DRM has never made me feel like a criminal or has hurt my performance. CD Projekt Red, I like Witcher 2. Witcher 1, ummm, it was interesting. Looking forward to Witcher 3. They're taking a gamble on the amount of pirated games vs. profit. People WILL steal copies of their game, and that sucks because those devs have obviously worked hard on the game. I plan on being a paying customer, and I hope that they don't lose too much money and can keep making more games. 

 

Did you never play a game with Starforce or Securom or horrible Sony Rootkit (which led to malware, see: http://en.wikipedia....rootkit_scandal )

 

With things like Starforce/Securom you'd have limited installs, if you changed hardware often enough (I build my own pc's so that wasn't hard) you'd have to call up and get more activations, meanwhile the pirates? They never had to jump through these hoops.

 

Then you had the performance issues, lots of people who legit had the game and it wouldn't work and would get stuck on asking themt o put in a cd (Even if it was in), this happened to me more then once on different games that used it.

You know what I found hilarious? Because of these issues I actually HAD to resort to using NOCD cracks to play many legitimate games I bought, then you know what? No more cd checks, no more performance issues related to it, by using DRM it actually forced me to go down a legally "Gray" area when it comes to using these sorts of things, and no paying customer should have to do that.

 

The people who legit pay for a game should NOT have to go through this kind of thing to simply play a game they paid for.

 

I really hope this DRM doesn't affect DA:I much, but I Really would like to not have it at all and just have it rely on Origin like many past EA games did before this crap.

[Stormbringer3]

I buy a lot of Matrix Games war and strategy games and I love their system. You get a code when you purchase, enter it when you install the game and that's it. What's not to like. I wonder why the big name companies have to have invasive and complicated DRMs.

[DooomCookie]

Could the OP link Derek's explanation at the top of the thread?  We could do with less hysteria here.  It seems no-one knows anything incriminating about Denuvo, except it happened to be on a game with some bugs and poor performance.

 

Considering not just EA but Bandai Namco and Rockstar have used it, I don't think a witch-hunt is called for.

[Almostfaceman]

I'm not asking you to be paranoid. I'm asking you and all others to not be so gullible, with respect.

 

I'm not sure how I could be perceived as gullible. As I've said, I've had no problems with Origin. My computer plays the games just fine. Same with Steam games. 

[Stiler]

That's not very realistic. You're faulting someone for what amounts to putting a lock on their front door. Everybody does it, does that mean we all think everyone out there is a thief? Nope, but we know that a small percentage of folks are. It's the same concept and it only takes a small amount of common sense to figure it out. Again, this doesn't excuse any DRM that is poorly designed, but we have yet to see that it is on this game, and I haven't had any problems with previous games. 

 

Lock on their front door? That's called Origin, it's DRM just like STeam and most people have accepted it these days.

 

This is like putting a Running Man neckcollar on people when they "enter" your house and having it use up part of their cpu to do what it does until they leave.

[DooomCookie]

Lock on their front door? That's called Origin, it's DRM just like STeam and most people have accepted it these days.

 

This is like putting a Running Man neckcollar on people when they "enter" your house and having it use up part of their cpu to do what it does until they leave.

 

Such proof.  Very evidence.  Wow.

[SilentCid]

Did you never play a game with Starforce or Securom or horrible Sony Rootkit (which led to malware, see: http://en.wikipedia....rootkit_scandal )

 

With things like Starforce/Securom you'd have limited installs, if you changed hardware often enough (I build my own pc's so that wasn't hard) you'd have to call up and get more activations, meanwhile the pirates? They never had to jump through these hoops.

 

Then you had the performance issues, lots of people who legit had the game and it wouldn't work and would get stuck on asking themt o put in a cd (Even if it was in), this happened to me more then once on different games that used it.

You know what I found hilarious? Because of these issues I actually HAD to resort to using NOCD cracks to play many legitimate games I bought, then you know what? No more cd checks, no more performance issues related to it, by using DRM it actually forced me to go down a legally "Gray" area when it comes to using these sorts of things, and no paying customer should have to do that.

 

The people who legit pay for a game should NOT have to go through this kind of thing to simply play a game they paid for.

 

I really hope this DRM doesn't affect DA:I much, but I Really would like to not have it at all and just have it rely on Origin like many past EA games did before this crap.

 

It's not DRM which Derek French have already mentioned. It only protects the exe and Origin is the DRM.

[Dutch]

I'm not sure how I could be perceived as gullible. As I've said, I've had no problems with Origin. My computer plays the games just fine. Same with Steam games. 

 

We're not discussing Origin here are we? Its about Denuvo no? Origin itself being a DRM already affects performance on the game, not that much mind you, but coupled with Denuvo which supposedly results in a "1-5% loss of performance" it does not sound good at all. Games with multiple DRM have iffy performance.

[Almostfaceman]

Did you never play a game with Starforce or Securom or horrible Sony Rootkit (which led to malware, see: http://en.wikipedia....rootkit_scandal )

 

With things like Starforce/Securom you'd have limited installs, if you changed hardware often enough (I build my own pc's so that wasn't hard) you'd have to call up and get more activations, meanwhile the pirates? They never had to jump through these hoops.

 

Then you had the performance issues, lots of people who legit had the game and it wouldn't work and would get stuck on asking themt o put in a cd (Even if it was in), this happened to me more then once on different games that used it.

You know what I found hilarious? Because of these issues I actually HAD to resort to using NOCD cracks to play many legitimate games I bought, then you know what? No more cd checks, no more performance issues related to it, by using DRM it actually forced me to go down a legally "Gray" area when it comes to using these sorts of things, and no paying customer should have to do that.

 

The people who legit pay for a game should NOT have to go through this kind of thing to simply play a game they paid for.

 

I really hope this DRM doesn't affect DA:I much, but I Really would like to not have it at all and just have it rely on Origin like many past EA games did before this crap.

 

I've said more than once that the game makers have an obligation to make DRM that's not poorly designed. If you look at the history of anything, games with and without DRM, there are many problems. So far, I play Origin and Steam games with no problems. 

[Almostfaceman]

We're not discussing Origin here are we? Its about Denuvo no? Origin itself being a DRM already affects performance on the game, not that much mind you, but coupled with Denuvo which supposedly results in a "1-5% loss of performance" it does not sound good at all. Games with multiple DRM have iffy performance.

 

We are discussing DRM, because people keep bringing up CD Projekt Red. The other thing is not DRM, as the dev in this thread has already said. It's a small part of the executable and it has not been proven to affect performance, at all. 

[Stiler]

It's not DRM which Derek French have already mentioned. It only protects the exe and Origin is the DRM.

How's that not DRM? DRM is about controlling a piece of software/hardware, stopping it from being copied/tampered with and other things.

[Dutch]

We are discussing DRM, because people keep bringing up CD Projekt Red. The other thing is not DRM, as the dev in this thread has already said. It's a small part of the executable and it has not been proven to affect performance, at all. 

 

Well i was referring to Denuvo solely. I've read what Mr.French said......anti-tamper, bollocks. The fact that the makers of Denuvo were responsible for secuROM speaks for itself.

[dlux]

Has Denuvo been cracked yet?

Nope.

Seems to be a persistent sonuvab**ch too. This is the most robust anti-piracy protection since starforce - and it doesn't require any low level drivers or rootkits to work either.