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#176
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Well i was referring to Denuvo solely. I've read what Mr.French said......anti-tamper, bollocks. The fact that the makers of Denuvo were responsible for secuROM speaks for itself.


Clearly you are simply refusing to believe what has already been stated. Since this is the case please go back to the bridge you were under since there's obviously no convincing you.
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Nope.

Seems to be a persistent sonuvab**ch too. This is the most robust anti-piracy protection since starforce - and it doesn't require any low level drivers or rootkits to work either.

 

Good on 'em.  A quick Google seems to show Fifa 15 didn't try to gouge out the customer's eyes either.  So it seems to be doing its job pretty well.



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Do you guys just ignore the Bioware staff posts or do you just look at the title then decide to complain without reading the thread?

I wait for user reviews, people who care about the PC version. It still looks like DRM to me. I personally wouldn't drop 60 usd to be treated like an asshat by EA.


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Nope.

Seems to be a persistent sonuvab**ch too. This is the most robust anti-piracy protection since starforce - and it doesn't require any low level drivers or rootkits to work either.

 

According to their own site FIFA 14 (which used Denuvo) was cracked after 46 days, so no, it's not uncrackable. It just takes a lot of time.



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Clearly you are simply refusing to believe what has already been stated. Since this is the case please go back to the bridge you were under since there's obviously no convincing you.

 

Clearly you are gullible.



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Wow this is REALLY bad news. When is BioWare going to learn pirates are not going to buy the game regardless. Why publisher keep siding with the likes of Sony & Microsoft to keep ushering PC gamers to console?

I know this because many afraid of bad ports on Assassin Creed bought the PS4 version instead of the PC
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#182
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I'm pretty sure Asscreed's issues had nothing to do with DRM and everything to do with horrible optimization.


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According to their own site FIFA 14 (which used Denuvo) was cracked after 46 days, so no, it's not uncrackable. It just takes a lot of time.

 

Wasn't it FIFA 15 that uses Denuvo and still isn't cracked?



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According to their own site FIFA 14 (which used Denuvo) was cracked after 46 days, so no, it's not uncrackable. It just takes a lot of time.

Fifa 14 doesn't use Denuvo.

 

Fifa 15 does use Denuvo, but that hasn't been cracked yet. 60 days and counting...


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Wasn't it FIFA 15 that uses Denuvo?

 

From their site:

 

 

46 days.

 

That’s how long the latest Denuvo-protected EA game (FIFA 14) lasted before being cracked. That’s simply unprecedented and it’s a testament to one of Denuvo’s core principles: always keep innovating. Our latest innovation, Denuvo Anti-Tamper, allows EA to reap the benefits of stamping out all piracy attempts in the crucial first weeks of a title’s release. We’d love to do the same for you.

 

Denuvo Anti-tamper and SecuROM can be ordered through our close partnership with Sony DADC.



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Wow this is REALLY bad news. When is BioWare going to learn pirates are not going to buy the game regardless. Why publisher keep siding with the likes of Sony & Microsoft to keep ushering PC gamers to console?

I know this because many afraid of bad ports on Assassin Creed bought the PS4 version instead of the PC

 

Right, people are gonna rob banks anyway, so let's fire the bank guards, get rid of the dye packs and let the safe's sit open all day with a blue light special sign over the door. 



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Right, people are gonna rob banks anyway, so let's fire the bank guards, get rid of the dye packs and let the safe's sit open all day with a blue light special sign over the door. 

 

Apples and oranges.


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#188
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Right, people are gonna rob banks anyway, so let's fire the bank guards, get rid of the dye packs and let the safe's sit open all day with a blue light special sign over the door. 

The most retarded analogy I've ever seen.



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Apples and oranges.

 

How so? 



#190
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We are discussing DRM, because people keep bringing up CD Projekt Red. The other thing is not DRM, as the dev in this thread has already said. It's a small part of the executable and it has not been proven to affect performance, at all. 

Except when one of the Lords of the Fallen developers said "It takes 1-5% performance" on a stream they did.



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How's that not DRM? DRM is about controlling a piece of software/hardware, stopping it from being copied/tampered with and other things.

Digital rights management controls who have access rights to the game. Like how Steam and Origin have their games tied to a user's account. Denuvo is only to prevent reverse-engineering or debugging the game exe code. It doesn't tell you that you need to install a driver like SecuRom, have activation limits, or tell you that you need to be always online.



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The most retarded analogy I've ever seen.

 

Stay respectful, and how is it wrong?



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How so? 

 

You're comparing Banks with DRM. Apples and Oranges.



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Except when one of the Lords of the Fallen developers said "It takes 1-5% performance" on a stream they did.

 

Is Lords of the Fallen Dragon Age Inquisition? If it turns out the DRM is poorly designed and has a noticeable effect on performance, then yes, that would be the time to complain. 



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You're comparing Banks with DRM. Apples and Oranges.

 

Don't bother. He's just redirecting the topic. Ignore.



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Stay respectful, and how is it wrong?

 

Dye packs etc make robbing banks really hard.  DRM encourages pirates. (as a rule of thumb).  At best, it holds off piracy for a week.

 

AC2 had really good DRM actually.  It held up and you needed to do all kinds of stuff with a fake server.  This was before that uPlay rubbish as well.



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You're comparing Banks with DRM. Apples and Oranges.

 

No, I'm comparing stealing with inevitability and whether or not it makes the property worth defending. Dude said the pirates aren't going to buy the game anyway... well yeah they will if DRM is designed well enough they can't crack the game in enough time to make it worth their while. Just like, people are going to try to rob banks, but that doesn't mean we just give up on security measures to protect the money, we make it hard so that less people get away with it. 



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Dye packs etc make robbing banks really hard.  DRM encourages pirates. (as a rule of thumb).  At best, it holds off piracy for a week.

 

AC2 had really good DRM actually.  It held up and you needed to do all kinds of stuff with a fake server.  This was before that uPlay rubbish as well.

 

I don't know, I just read that this one game took like forty something days for it to get cracked. And one game, FIFA 15 ? still hasn't been cracked. I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that DRM encourages cracking, are you trying to say that games without DRM aren't being cracked? I don't think I buy that. 



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Wow this is REALLY bad news.

If the game runs exactly as intended with any problems at all, would it still be bad news?
 

When is BioWare going to learn pirates are not going to buy the game regardless.

Nope. Pirates download games they enjoy and a substantial amount of them will buy these games if they must.

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Is Lords of the Fallen Dragon Age Inquisition? If it turns out the DRM is poorly designed and has a noticeable effect on performance, then yes, that would be the time to complain.


SO voice your disappointments and frustration AFTER a broken game like Assassins Creed Unity has been released huh. That's why publishers/developers have no problem releasing a game in beta stage b because gamers is OK with it? Denuvo has been confirmed with performance impact by Lord of Fallen dev. It's NAIVE for you to think it has no impact on DAI.

Sure those wouldn't care probably just console gamers.