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[JBONE271983_Tacolover]

My mama always told me to be nice and pleasant to everyone and be on everyone's good side because true friends are few and far between.

 

With that said, I would like to ask, without being a troll or anything, how can some people betray or not be nice to any of their companions? If I slightly offend one of them, I get so depressed and have to reload a save. I want all companions to like me just because, well, they're my Warden's friends! They're Hawke's friends! They're Shepard's friends!

 

Out of curiosity, what causes people to drive off companions? Like someone said they kill Wynne. Or kill Leliana. Or chase Morrigan away. Or they make Alistair a drunk. Or STAB ANDERS (really, he's your FRIEND. Friends are supposed to stick with each other through thick and thin NO MATTER WHAT).

 

Same goes for ME. I was reading about someone who killed off as many companions as he can -- why? What is the underlying motivation for not being nice to the people who are trying to help you?

The only one I killed was Anders, and that was because Sebastian was threatening to lay siege to Kirkwall if I didn't.

[Tj1602]

The only time that I would get mad at a companion is if they did something that would cause "people" to die, like Anders in DAII and Zaeed in his loyalty mission. Looking back is kind of weird since he is one of my favorite companions in Mass Effect 2.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The only time that I would get mad at a companion is if they did something that would cause "people" to die, like Anders in DAII and (somewhat) Zaeed in his loyalty mission. Looking back is kind of weird since he is one of my favorite companions in Mass Effect 2.  

You can save the workers and still get Zaeed loyal, just in case you didn't know.

[Tj1602]

I try to do that every time, maybe that's why I like Zaeed, unlike Anders he can see reason.

[Tevinter Soldier]

My mama always told me to be nice and pleasant to everyone and be on everyone's good side because true friends are few and far between.

 

With that said, I would like to ask, without being a troll or anything, how can some people betray or not be nice to any of their companions? If I slightly offend one of them, I get so depressed and have to reload a save. I want all companions to like me just because, well, they're my Warden's friends! They're Hawke's friends! They're Shepard's friends!

 

Out of curiosity, what causes people to drive off companions? Like someone said they kill Wynne. Or kill Leliana. Or chase Morrigan away. Or they make Alistair a drunk. Or STAB ANDERS (really, he's your FRIEND. Friends are supposed to stick with each other through thick and thin NO MATTER WHAT).

 

Same goes for ME. I was reading about someone who killed off as many companions as he can -- why? What is the underlying motivation for not being nice to the people who are trying to help you?

 

you seem to confuse "companion" with "friend"

[Lady Artifice]

I get a feeling the OP and I won't get along...

 

 

That is very likely.

[Reptillius]

Easy Answer.

 

I have no heart and no soul.  Thus I have no guilt.

[TJByrum]

If someone has opinions on something I can't agree with, I tend to accept them anyway.

 

If someone has opinions on something I absolutely cannot find any reasoning with, I despise them.

[AWTEW]

I used to be like that, and then I realised that nobody can run a millitary doing that.

[Bigdoser]

If only they'd understand the power of friendship, that Breach would be closed in no time.

Actually you don't know how right you are I am being serious. 

[SugarBabe49]

I think it depends on how you feel when it comes to these characters and how you interpret their views on how you solve a situation. Do they disapprove because you did something you felt was right or did they approve of something you felt was wrong?

 

In Dragon Age Origins/Awakening - I was friends with everyone because I got to like them on different levels. (Even Morrigan)

 

In II - I never bothered to recruit Fenris because he irritates me. (I know that is a bad thing) but he grates on my nerves that I cannot be bothered to deal with him. Even with Merrill - I get that she wants to do something good with the Mirror but, for me, playing as a Dalish Elf who was in love with Tamlen and seeing the result of said mirror - it's hard for me to let Merrill restore the mirror - even with the taint gone. I can still get friendship with Merrill but I refuse to have anything to do with blood magic and/or demons and refuse to let her have her mirror. (She destroys it in every playthrough)

 

in Mass Effect - Liara is annoying. I had a bad experience with her in my first playthrough that put me right off her. It's even worse when she is an 'essential' character which means you can't drive her off or kill her. However, I adored everyone else - Liara was the only character that I didn't like.

 

So to be honest - it is easy to ignore Fenris (don't recruit him), easy to rebuff Merrill's chances of restoring the mirror yet I have to be 'nice' to Liara because the game doesn't really let me be horrible to her (seriously Bioware, knock it off).

 

I was taught to be nice to everybody too but unfortunately, there are people out there who make it very difficult and that reflects in my playthroughs/characters.

[SovietCyborg]

You don't want to say somebody's no good. You must be seen to be their friend.

 

After all...

 

Spoiler

It is necessary to get behind someone before you can stab them in the back. 

 

 

[Arachlia]

Generally my characters does try to get along with everyone, despite differing opinions or if I like them in real life (I really, really don't like Sebastian even if he is "good person"). And before DA2, I would have never killed any of them. With Anders, however, I felt it was natural conclusion for my mage Hawke who tried to uphold justice, and it also seemed only way to free both Anders and Justice. And same thing with my warrior Hawke, who before Chantry explosion had believed Anders to be worth saving, especially since she owed him for saving Bethany's life. (My rogue Hawke rode towards sunset with him leaving behind burning Kirkwall, but I have some suspicions about her sanity.... with whole sarcastic personality and all.)

 

So it really depends on situation and does it make sense roleplay-wise.

 

EDIT: Forgot totally, I did rival Fenris (due to mage issues), Merrill (blood magic) and one occasion Isabela* in my games, though I think that also can be seen as sort of friendship too, just with more disagreeing with things? Since there were at least some respect and loyalty (when maxed out).

 

 

*was surprisingly easy to do with diplomatic Hawke, who was such a goody two-shoes.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

I actually befriended every companion in DAO. I just liked all of them and I didn't even agree with Sten or Morrigan ideologies. They were all awesome and we needed to work together if we wanted to save the world from the Blight.

 

DA2 was a different case though, I couldn't handle Merrill's savior complex nor could I stand Fenris being angsty attitude so I rivaled both of them.

 

So far, I like all DAI companions and we need to work together to save the world so I'm willing to be friend all of them just like DAO.

[revan017]

A lot of strong feelings about Anders....hmmm

 

The way I see it is it has nothing to do with whether or not what he did was justified. I think it has more to do with, as a friend, you recognize the fact that he needs help and not murder. He's a good person. He just did something that is crying for attention. He needs help, a friend to talk to, and maybe a cat.

[RobRam10]

A lot of strong feelings about Anders....hmmm

 

The way I see it is it has nothing to do with whether or not what he did was justified. I think it has more to do with, as a friend, you recognize the fact that he needs help and not murder. He's a good person. He just did something that is crying for attention. He needs help, a friend to talk to, and maybe a cat.

Now this thread will become an Anders discussion.

[sunbean]

Every thread is eventually an Anders discussion, lol.

[Former_Fiend]

A lot of strong feelings about Anders....hmmm

 

The way I see it is it has nothing to do with whether or not what he did was justified. I think it has more to do with, as a friend, you recognize the fact that he needs help and not murder. He's a good person. He just did something that is crying for attention. He needs help, a friend to talk to, and maybe a cat.

 

Let me put it to you this way; what makes Anders Hawke's friend? The fact that he knows Hawke's name? 

 

Just because you've known someone for five years doesn't make them your friend. I define "friend" as someone whom I both trust and respect. My Hawke didn't trust Anders and she didn't respect Anders.

 

Anders and Justice may have been my Warden's friends, but they weren't my Champion's friends.

 

[Lady Artifice]

Every thread is eventually an Anders discussion, lol.

 

This is true. 

[Dreamer]

Spoiler

At some point Anders quite literally becomes a terrorist, and I'm not sure that's someone I'd be capable of associating with once I was aware of what they had done--regardless of our previous relationship.

 

Generally speaking, I get overwhelmed by the sheer volume of companions; there's too many for me to invest a significant amount of time in all of them. It's a condition I deal with in my personal life, and it certainly affects my behavior in games with a social element. That being the case, I tend to stick to a handful--or less--of meaningful companion relationships: In Origins, I spent most of my time with Alistair and Zevran; in Dragon Age 2, I fostered relationships with Fenris, Anders, and Aveline; I anticipate that in Inquisition, I'll be closest to Cassandra, Varric, and Dorian.

[Medhia_Nox]

@revan07:  If my friends killed hundreds of people as a cry for attention... I would have them arrested immediately and wouldn't even think of trying to stop the death penalty.  

 

@sunbean:  Maybe that's because he's the main protagonist of DA:2.

[R0vena]

Well, I do some things in the game because I roleplay different types of heroes, no self-inserts. If it makes sense for my Warden to choose Loghain over Alistair, for example  - so be it, no matter how I personally feel about it.

I still can't do certain things like executing Alistair, for example - guess even my evil heroes have their limitations, after all.))

[Gill Kaiser]

Out of curiosity, what causes people to drive off companions? Like someone said they kill Wynne. Or kill Leliana. Or chase Morrigan away. Or they make Alistair a drunk. Or STAB ANDERS (really, he's your FRIEND. Friends are supposed to stick with each other through thick and thin NO MATTER WHAT).

 

What if someone doesn't want Anders to be their friend? What if they don't like him? Just because the game says this guy should be our friend doesn't mean we have to agree with it.

 

Also, this topic seems to be assuming that people can only play one way. What if I drive off my companions because that's what the character I'm roleplaying in that playthrough would do? Sometimes people just want to experiment and see what happens when they make different decisions. 

[Haverrun]

Never seriously wanted to kill a companion before, since killing someone just because you don't like them seems kind of petty to me. My first impression of Morrigan had me expecting to hate her, but I ended up in a sort of "odd friendship" with her. From a metagaming perspective, less companions means less content for me to experience regarding them, though "I'm not petty enough to kill off people when I desperately need allies" is the main reason.