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[Chanda]

I don't even know anymore. 

 

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If the 'honouring his late family' thing is true, I'd...be alright with him not having actually joined the Wardens himself, I think. In that case...it sounds like a lie for an honest reason, for lack of a better term...

 

 

I think he might actually be one, though. There's gotta be something to that old concept art. 

 

I agree. I think he really is a warden. But the wife and child thing makes sense, especially since we know he makes the griffin rocking horse/chair.

[Chanda]

Sorry for typos, am drunk posting...

[Snook]

In that case....

 

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It is not Warden Constable Mrs. Blackwall but perhaps Blackwall's brother ? Obviously a brother is not very Thane-ish but a beloved brother who died might be reason to make a man rise up to the cause...Or even Twins like twin brothers...I would prefer the idea of Blackwall having a twin brother who was a Grey Warden but died...This way, he could still pick up the cause and be relatively innocuous

 

In that case, Blackwall could write a book about his life.

 

 

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Especially if on top of the wife and child thing...

 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

So, for now, I think with the information we have, we can say that...

 

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Blackwall had a twin brother who was a Grey Warden but he died which caused him great sadness and he, the Blackwall we meet in Inquisition, decided to pick up the mantle of his deceased twin brother, pretending to be him...

 

The Inquisition Blackwall feels guilty or perhaps some responsibility and self blame for not being able to prevent his twin brother's death...Add this to him perhaps losing his wife and unborn child...That is one sad and tragic backstory...

 

The would explain the Grey Warden armor that seems to fit him so well, that would explain why he is a good fighter and is concerned with protecting other people at the cost of his own life, that would explain why his specialization is Champion...That would also explain why someone like Leliana who is an accomplished Spymaster did not notice this deception by him until perhaps later in the game...

 

That would also explain why he is a loner, when you have lost so much, you end up being a Lone Wolf who wanders around protecting people at no cost...

[Chanda]

Anymore news on this?

[Ryzaki]

I guess I'll know tomorrow.l

[Kimarous]

I really don't think the following are true:

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that Blackwall had family members who were Grey Wardens

 

Why?

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Because he seems to know jack all about the Wardens in general. Sadly, the "meeting" and "conversation" videos for Blackwall seem to be taken down, so I can't point to specific dialogue, but he's SUPER vague on what the Wardens actually do. He doesn't say crap about sensing darkspawn or anything like that when asked what Wardens can do. Plus, even if he were "on his own looking for recruits" and whatnot, why the heck didn't he report in once the Wardens got control of Amaranthine, if only to go "Sup? I'm just roaming around, looking for recruits. Just want to know that I'm here." It's not like the new Warden HQ was a secret from the public. He totally should have known more than he's come across as knowing. Even if he wasn't a Warden but had a Warden family member, you'd think that family member would have confided at least as much as "I have regular bad dreams about darkspawn."

[DRTJR]

If this is true, Bioware gets some serious props from me for the Strum Brightblade reference - Bushy facial hair and all.

i grant three with many internets.

[SwobyJ]

http://dragonage.wik...w_Bearded_Beast

 

Read.

[Kimarous]

http://dragonage.wik...w_Bearded_Beast

 

Read.

 

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...yeah, not even close.

[panamakira]

http://dragonage.wik...w_Bearded_Beast

 

Read.

Hmmmm.....

 

"So if it is not the honoring of a villain turned folk hero, what is left to discern?"

[notouchy]

I really don't think the following are true:

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that Blackwall had family members who were Grey Wardens

 

Why?

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Because he seems to know jack all about the Wardens in general. Sadly, the "meeting" and "conversation" videos for Blackwall seem to be taken down, so I can't point to specific dialogue, but he's SUPER vague on what the Wardens actually do. He doesn't say crap about sensing darkspawn or anything like that when asked what Wardens can do. Plus, even if he were "on his own looking for recruits" and whatnot, why the heck didn't he report in once the Wardens got control of Amaranthine, if only to go "Sup? I'm just roaming around, looking for recruits. Just want to know that I'm here." It's not like the new Warden HQ was a secret from the public. He totally should have known more than he's come across as knowing. Even if he wasn't a Warden but had a Warden family member, you'd think that family member would have confided at least as much as "I have regular bad dreams about darkspawn."

 

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Not every spouse knows the gory details about their significant other's occupation. There's no reason to suspect that, if Blackwall's wife was a Warden, that he knew all that much about being one.

As to the dreams, why should he feel the need to fake having them? It's not like every layperson knows Wardens have those dreams. If we hadn't played a Warden in DA:O, I doubt most of the fanbase would even be aware that that was normal, much less the average person in Thedas. Blackwall can probably go months or years without talking to a single person who knows the Wardens, much less their secrets.

Just because Blackwall is faking being a Warden doesn't mean he needs to be good at doing so.

[Kimarous]

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Not every spouse knows the gory details about their significant other's occupation. There's no reason to suspect that, if Blackwall's wife was a Warden, that he knew all that much about being one.

As to the dreams, why should he feel the need to fake having them? It's not like every layperson knows Wardens have those dreams. If we hadn't played a Warden in DA:O, I doubt most of the fanbase would even be aware that that was normal, much less the average person in Thedas. Blackwall can probably go months or years without talking to a single person who knows the Wardens, much less their secrets.

Just because Blackwall is faking being a Warden doesn't mean he needs to be good at doing so.

 

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I think you missed the point about what I was saying. It was less that I wanted him to fake the bad dreams, so much as I was expressing "I don't think he knows even that much about the Wardens." He just speaks like he knows only a very surface level of Warden familiarity, and that if he did have a close family member in the Wardens, he'd likely sound more knowledgeable than he does.

[notouchy]

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I think you missed the point about what I was saying. It was less that I wanted him to fake the bad dreams, so much as I was expressing "I don't think he knows even that much about the Wardens." He just speaks like he knows only a very surface level of Warden familiarity, and that if he did have a close family member in the Wardens, he'd likely sound more knowledgeable than he does.

 

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No, I got what you were saying. I just disagree that Blackwall would know much more than the average person, even if his wife was a Warden. And I also disagree that he would even speak about what he does know in the prescence of someone he met only a short time ago.

If this scenario is proven true, how much would his wife have even told him? I'm sure he knew about the dreams. He certainly knew a little more than the average person. Probably picked up on the general organization of the Wardens, heard a few things. But I just don't think that being the husband of a Warden would give him THAT much more info on the Wardens than the average Thedosian. And nothing all that current if his wife has been dead for some time. And certainly not anything that he would share with someone he met only a short time ago.

 

Besides, why would Blackwall start giving out specifics about the Wardens, even if he knew them? The more you lie, the more you have to lie. But if you keep things simple, vague and non-specific, there are no lies to cover up with more lies. For instance, if Blackwall mentioned being able to sense Darkspawn, the Inquisitor might get curious about why, when the party encounters Darkspawn, Blackwall doesn't sense them. Now, Blackwall has to lie again to keep the wool over the Inquisitor's eyes. But if he doesn't tell the Inquisitor, then there's no lie to cover up. And the Inquisitor may be blissfully ignorant of the fact that Wardens sense Darkspawn, and be none the wiser.

 

So, regardless of what Blackwall actually knows, he has a very good reason not to share the info if he's not actually a Warden. And if he is, they're a secretive lot to begin with. Few of them are the sharing type.

[SwobyJ]

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...yeah, not even close.

 

Whoosh.

 

"Examples are common and deliberately crude—none claim to be an accurate representation of a specific person and the name is irrelevant, often stolen from the fears of the day."

[SwobyJ]

Hmmmm.....

 

"So if it is not the honoring of a villain turned folk hero, what is left to discern?"

 

Big commentary on the nature of the 'beast' and of the 'civilized man'.

 

Revisit:

[TimXP]

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For instance, if Blackwall mentioned being able to sense Darkspawn, the Inquisitor might get curious about why, when the party encounters Darkspawn, Blackwall doesn't sense them. Now, Blackwall has to lie again to keep the wool over the Inquisitor's eyes. But if he doesn't tell the Inquisitor, then there's no lie to cover up. And the Inquisitor may be blissfully ignorant of the fact that Wardens sense Darkspawn, and be none the wiser.

 

Inquisitor: "Hey, Leliana, what's up with

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Blackwall not being able to sense Darkspawn?

Didn't you travel with some Grey Wardens for a while?"

Leliana: (shrugs) "The ones I knew

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could only 'sense' Darkspawn when they were standing directly in front of them.

We walked into so many ambushes..."

[Deebo305]

Oddly enough one my first questions about him was where were you during all that sh*t in Origins exactly

[Chanda]

Being kept across the border because Loghain wouldn't let the Wardens into Ferelden to help. He never trusted them, remember?

[(Disgusted noise.)]

But that's not what Blackwall tells you himself.

[Chanda]

Probably because he's not the real Blackwall.