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[Rane7685]

Topic says it all. I might add why cant my knight enchanter ditch the staff and just walk around with the spirit blade

[SykoWolfPup]

My belief is that they don't "need" staves. They can perform magic without them, but a staff/stave helps to project spells better and act as a conduit basically. I also believe that a staff allows a mage to perform very basic attacks without draining their "magic" so to speak.

[Chiramu]

That seems to be how it is atm in Dragon Age. I do wish I could use daggers and short swords like mages in Final Fantasy. A blood mage with a dagger makes more sense than a staff. 

[teenparty]

Topic says it all. I might add why cant my knight enchanter ditch the staff and just walk around with the spirit blade

In Orginins the staves added to your spellpower.

[Althix]

because it requires additional animations and mechanics.

[InfinitePaths]

They don't need them.It just makes them stronger/gives them access to more tools.

 

In a same way a warrior doesn't need a weapon, she can fight with fists well enough, but a weapon makes her more efficient.

[Glaso]

Gandalf had a staff, and he used it more for head bashing than for casting magic.

[Wulfram]

Because unfortunately the loot conveyor belt is considered a vital part of CRPGs.

[Kantr]

Gandalf had a staff, and he used it more for head bashing than for casting magic.

That was lord of the rings. Gandalf doesnt do many spells at all. He has a sword too.

[Dermain]

That was lord of the rings. Gandalf doesnt do many spells at all. He has a sword too.

 

It makes you wonder why he was called a wizard... 

[metatheurgist]

It makes you wonder why he was called a wizard... 

Because there was a time when magic was a mysterious, personally draining, expensive to use ability. It was used sparingly and mages prided themselves on their ability to only rely on it when necessary. Then RPGs became action games and people complained they didn't feel magical if their mage wasn't pew-pew-pewing 24/7.

[andar91]

My belief is that they don't "need" staves. They can perform magic without them, but a staff/stave helps to project spells better and act as a conduit basically. I also believe that a staff allows a mage to perform very basic attacks without draining their "magic" so to speak.

 

This.

 

And from a gameplay perspective, I think it's animation reasons. Easier to assume the presence of the staff than to try to account for the possibility of its absence and/or replacement by different weapon models.

[In Exile]

Because there was a time when magic was a mysterious, personally draining, expensive to use ability. It was used sparingly and mages prided themselves on their ability to only rely on it when necessary. Then RPGs became action games and people complained they didn't feel magical if their mage wasn't pew-pew-pewing 24/7.

Magic was basically never that in fantasy tropes beside Tolkien in modern fantasy. D&D is 100% based on "pew pew" and abusing rest.

[Kantr]

You could cast without one in Origins. But you would attack someone with your fists unless you chose a spell.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Magic was basically never that in fantasy tropes beside Tolkien in modern fantasy. D&D is 100% based on "pew pew" and abusing rest.

Depends how you play it.

You can make it like that, yes, but that's not the only option.

I once played in a party with both an Abjurer and a Diviner. Not a lot of pew pew in that one.

And I question your assessment of "modern fantasy".

[Neuromancer]

I like what some MMo games did such as Aion with books (!!!!!) And orbs.

[Yriss]

It makes you wonder why he was called a wizard... 

 

He was the first Arcane Warrior.

 

[Jester]

Why do mages need staves?

They have bad knees.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Mages don't need staves. They also don't need to wear robes. Nothing in Dragon Age lore states that these two things are necessary. However, for gameplay reasons (loot system/class diversity) all mages carry staves and wear robes. 

 

I disagree with how mages are done in DA but i'm powerless to change things. All characters should have access to every weapon tree. All characters should have access to all skills and abilities. Only mages have access to magic. No weapons/armor are class restricted or stat restricted or even level restricted. You find it you can equip it. There are many more things i'd change as well but I don't much feel like typing it all out so...

[thanotos omega]

Mages don't need staves. They also don't need to wear robes. Nothing in Dragon Age lore states that these two things are necessary. However, for gameplay reasons (loot system/class diversity) all mages carry staves and wear robes. 

 

I disagree with how mages are done in DA but i'm powerless to change things. All characters should have access to every weapon tree. All characters should have access to all skills and abilities. Only mages have access to magic. No weapons/armor are class restricted or stat restricted or even level restricted. You find it you can equip it. There are many more things i'd change as well but I don't much feel like typing it all out so...

And then you get the same problems that wrack the modern elder scrolls games where there is 1 or 2 best options and all others are pointless, you will always only use the best armor type always only use the weapon type with the best member, and no one has any real identity, and if you dare to go against it you will be one shot by every thing or spend 5 minutes stunlocking them,

 

 

In response to the main topic, It provides players with a fall back that is easily identifiable, guy has staff? then he's a mage, also Spirit blade still costs mana so it can become unavailable,

[myahele]

As others said, mages don't need staffs lore-wise since, but it is a tool that can help them with their spell casting.

I'm sure these staves are embued with magical runes and other things that help with spell casting.

For example, the infamous staff that has a dead(?) cat wrapped on it. My guess: since dead things attract spirits or atleast sprites then why not carry one wherever you go.

[The Hooded Paw]

I've always had a thought or two on this one....lots of magicy people seem to use focus items...tarot cards, crystal balls, wands and all that, and have always been presented with them. The staff is a great one, as it should provide an active focus (look at fire spells - they literally light the fire from their hands and channel it down the staff length) AND something to aim with too. Then, if you look at being tired after chucking magic about, it'll hold you up...you're not as trained (strong and fit) as warriors, so it helps in supporting/wandering about ways too, PLUS, if you look from a martial artist's point of view, it's balanced in the middle, it can easily be spun round...a spear is a staff with a spikey bit...many warriors use spears in a similar way to staves as a weapon. You don't want some nasty walking up to you and not have a weapon, and a staff is very much a great defensive weapon.

 

Probably rubbish, but it it's always been fairly unexplained. All of Gandalf's magic is channelled with his staff - hitting the ground to knock stuff over, lighting the tip, holding a shield above him. 

[Silver Souls]

If you had a sword on your mage, you would become a jedi 

[SilentCid]

Couldn't they go with this?

 

[Chibi Elemental]

they make great walking sticks also they look amazing when you are wearing a dress, erm sorry robe!